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A list that was sitting 2nd until round 20 and made it to a prelim last year?
The absolute exception to the rule.
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A list that was sitting 2nd until round 20 and made it to a prelim last year?
I don't think this group is good enough for top 4 finishes. What constitutes our current best 22 isnt good enough to win a flag IMO. Moving on the injured trio and maybe Owies, Carroll Kennedy etc, and adding Haynes doesnt move the needle one iota for us IMO.
If you want to go down that train of thought, then bottling the Giants and Dogs games are far more relevant than the Hawks or Saints games.Getting spanked by Hawthorn & losing to the Pies & Saints is a hell of a lot more relevant than “we were 2nd”
Expect a big bombshell to happen within the next week (not Joe Daniher related)
Half of the things that have been said on this topic don't qualify as a rumour. Lots of them seem list management relatedThat does not qualify as a rumour. There is always big news week after the GF. More info needed.
Anything else you can add would be appreciated.Half of the things that have been said on this topic don't qualify as a rumour. Lots of them seem list management related
Being second and being “second seed” for much of the year absolutely matters. We have sufficient talent and preparation to be competitive with the best teams. Totally relevant.Can we give the “we were 2nd on the ladder” BS a rest - Hawks were 13th - Brisbane was 13th while we were 2nd too, who the **** cares!
It’s where u finish that counts!
Being 2nd on 11-12 wins doesn’t mean anything if that doesn’t translate to 15+ wins and top 4.
Getting spanked by Hawthorn & losing to the Pies & Saints is a hell of a lot more relevant than “we were 2nd”
So the fact we were second for so long. Was purely a fluke, was it?Can we give the “we were 2nd on the ladder” BS a rest - Hawks were 13th - Brisbane was 13th while we were 2nd too, who the **** cares!
It’s where u finish that counts!
Being 2nd on 11-12 wins doesn’t mean anything if that doesn’t translate to 15+ wins and top 4.
Getting spanked by Hawthorn & losing to the Pies & Saints is a hell of a lot more relevant than “we were 2nd”
check the results, the bye helped - we won 3 games in 6 rounds vs Tigers, North, Cats.So the fact we were second for so long. Was purely a fluke, was it?
Can you do a nice Crippto Cryptic for us?Expect a big bombshell to happen within the next week (not Joe Daniher related)
Our victory over the cats, we smashed 'em. Shows to me that we are close, very close to a bona fide top four side.check the results, the bye helped - we won 3 games in 6 rounds vs Tigers, North, Cats.
It's a very long and taxing season. Especially after an extended pre-season and a heavily taxing game style.We were the 8th best team. We were going well, and fell away.
The ladder never lies.
Exactly.A list that was sitting 2nd until round 20 and made it to a prelim last year?
Wouldn't mind a bit of extra speed from our small forwards. They just look slower than most. Manic forward pressure is where it's at these daysExactly.
None of this is black & white.
Of course we already have the pieces we need to contend for a top 4 finish to H&A.
Our injuries to key players obviously played a massive part in our final 6 weeks.
Moving on from the injury riddled & bringing in some new talent will make us better.
Another preseason, defining & adapting our game plan will make us better.
Despite our collapse this year, we finished 2 games out of 3rd.
This game is not black & white. It’s won in the margins.
We are closer than many here realise.
Yeah sure, but you also can’t ignore the context.Can we give the “we were 2nd on the ladder” BS a rest - Hawks were 13th - Brisbane was 13th while we were 2nd too, who the **** cares!
It’s where u finish that counts!
Being 2nd on 11-12 wins doesn’t mean anything if that doesn’t translate to 15+ wins and top 4.
Getting spanked by Hawthorn & losing to the Pies & Saints is a hell of a lot more relevant than “we were 2nd”
We need that.Wouldn't mind a bit of extra speed from our small forwards. They just look slower than most. Manic forward pressure is where it's at these days
It is & every team can play a great game.Yeah sure, but you also can’t ignore the context.
The reason why others speak to us being 2nd on the ladder & look back to examples like the Geelong game is to show we were good enough to be there, then.
We were good enough.
Yes we collapsed - what were the reasons?
You can’t say the reason why we spilled to 8th from 2nd is because of our list & coach…without saying the reason why we were 2nd at round 20 was because of our list & coach.
So what changed in the last 8 weeks?
Context is important.
Blues related or general footy world related?Half of the things that have been said on this topic don't qualify as a rumour. Lots of them seem list management related
a. Berry, Hannaford, MoraesWe need that.
We need to work on some speed out the front of stoppages & defence at the back also.
We need better transition from D50.
We need to not throw this baby out with the bath water!