Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXVI - 'Loopy' Season in full swing

[Lukeblueboy]

Why wouldn’t smith have nominated the cats as yet??

 

[Arr0w]

You don't have to mention... you liked a post making reference to Zorko possibly winning their b&f this year after I said we shouldn't be handing out 1st round picks for a hbf like Houston...

Didn't feel like calling out that cherry pick?

I like plenty of posts if the reasoning is sound, whether I agree or not

I have no issue if the club decided to hand out 1, 1st late ish pick for Houston, but nothing more unless it was steak knives, otherwise I would walk away

 

[SurreyBlue]

Not sure you understand how the Ark worked.


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Maybe needs to watch Moonraker?

 

[Hands On]

p11 & Pito
for
SDK & Stengle or GTFO

 

[Blue_Fusion]

I'm only trying to solve the KPD conundrum.
But, I get it, and yes there's a lot more to address. However, I doubt 2 x 1st rounders is going to solve those concerns either.

That's fair enough, I've been wanting us to address that area as well. Just not keen on giving up that sort of trade capital.

2 first rounders won't solve our one paced midfield and lack of small forward options either. But they will go towards it a lot more than SDK will.

No chance we can sort all our problems in one off season unfortunately...

 

[jooce8891]

You don't have to mention... you liked a post making reference to Zorko possibly winning their b&f this year after I said we shouldn't be handing out 1st round picks for a hbf like Houston...

Didn't feel like calling out that cherry pick?

acting like houston is about to absolutely fall off a cliff in 2 years time while our spine (minus tdk and walsh) are the same age or older is funny. do we wanna potentially win a flag with cripps in the team by adding established players or wait for draftees that might come good in 2-3 years time when cripps is 33-34?

im all for keeping this years 1st and selecting a berry type, but if theres a deal that can be made with a F1 for houston or a deal for SDK that involves this years first im doing it.

 

[Red Bull]

Cats don’t let good players leave.


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Cats don’t land Smith and Oliver without good picks …

 

[Aphrodite]

Oh oh - some bans will be issued now. Commenting in a no comments thread - noobs

Not sure what part of NO DISCUSSION some don’t understand.
It’s in CAPS in thread title.

Lost count on the amount of deleted posts in the past 2 days.

Bluemour File rumours only - NO DISCUSSION​

 

[Arr0w]

Who's being belittled?

I doubt anyone has an issue with you and others thinking some ready made types might not move the needle next year, but stating an 18 year old will, does seem strange wouldn't you say

 

[Hands On]

In the PF, Cats got their rear ends handed to them in the midfield Smith and the Melb heartthrob will put them back into serious contention. SDK may be the solution to their problem. If so we need to go hard and not blink.

If Austin I would consider making a big time offer on both of them just to up their value and force the cats to offload some surplus talent.

 

[JustOneTime]

Answer me this, if SDK is the answer to us "getting it done", why is it that we were 60-0 against the Lions despite Young doing a solid job?

It's a good point and indicates most of the onus is on our terrible gameplan killing the defence. Personally, I think it is then much more complicated than that one point. We still need a second defender who in the right weight division and defensive mindset for the 'role' of second key defender. Young/Kemp fall short of the 'role' for differing reasons.

Looking back over the last few years, the best balance of tall defenders is made up of 'Quality Key Defender', 'potato cheap big body defender' and then '3rd tall intercept defender'.

Moore, Murphy, Howe
May, Petty, Lever

SDK might help but as you rightly pointed out, Vossy and the MC have to lift their transition game multiple levels. Also, SDK bypasses the potato defender for another quality defender which just might be again the wrong mix and salary cost. Carlton are forever caught up in 'awesome player' rather than filling a 'specific' role.

We have Weitering...then missing the potato defender (Collins, Payne). We are then missing the intercept defender as McGovern actually doesnt do his role. Haynes however might do it.

Having said all that, i think SDK is a pipedream and there is more chance of JSoS ending up in the potato role.

 

[Arr0w]

Cats are clearly a fair bit of salary this year

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

Not sure you understand how the Ark worked.


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POTY

 

[Klark Kent]

Whispers suggesting Houston has said Thanks but NO thanks to NM

 

[Blue_Fusion]

acting like houston is about to absolutely fall off a cliff in 2 years time while our spine (minus tdk and walsh) are the same age or older is funny. do we wanna potentially win a flag with cripps in the team by adding established players or wait for draftees that might come good in 2-3 years time when cripps is 33-34?

im all for keeping this years 1st and selecting a berry type, but if theres a deal that can be made with a F1 for houston or a deal for SDK that involves this years first im doing it.

I didn't say Houston would fall off a cliff in 2 years... I said players usually fall off a cliff when in their mid 30's...

So unless Houston is currently 32 years old, you're twisting the facts...

I would offer no more than 11 for SDK... I was talking to a poster who would be happy to trade 2x 1st rounders for him... a move, imo which would be totally irresponsible list management...

As for trading for Houston, at no stage were Port ever going to accept just our F1 for him... or us trading our F1 to another club for another 1st this year... people believing that is the stuff of unicorns...

We would at the very least have to cough up our F1 and an early 2nd rounder... and the gymnastics we'd have to perform to get that additional pick was not worth it.

 

[jj1978]

Before Scott heads off to coach Tassie he’s going to roll the dice giving Danger, Cameron and co. One last shot.

 

[SOS Rules]

I don't KNOW if SDK wants out, but his family wasn't as happy with his treatment at Geelong as they have been with Tom's at Carlton. This is going back a year or so ago. He has played a lot on painkillers for a knee issue, I think. The family didn't like it. They were very supportive of TDK staying at Carlton. Terry is a mad Carlton fan, despite being an ex Bulldog.

SDK's form has been moderate for a while. Geelong will play hard to get, but it is conceivable he might be gettable. I'm not sure they are as excited by his potential as they once were...

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Blistering Barnacles

 

[Arr0w]

I didn't say Houston would fall off a cliff in 2 years... I said players usually fall off a cliff when in their mid 30's...

So unless Houston is currently 32 years old, you're twisting the facts...

I would offer no more than 11 for SDK... I was talking to a poster who would be happy to trade 2x 1st rounders for him... a move, imo which would be totally irresponsible list management...

As for trading for Houston, at no stage were Port ever going to accept just our F1 for him... or us trading our F1 to another club for another 1st this year... people believing that is the stuff of unicorns...

We would at the very least have to cough up our F1 and an early 2nd rounder... and the gymnastics we'd have to perform to get that additional pick was not worth it.

The bolded is exactly what I mean

How do you know this?

 

[yibbida]

With reports Melbourne are interested in Owies, how would a 3 club trade look?

Blues-Demons-Cats

Owies-Oliver-SDK

Picks?

 

[Benaly28]

Before Scott heads off to coach Tassie he’s going to roll the dice giving Danger, Cameron and co. One last shot.

Yeh agree Scott has been earmarked for Tassie job but can’t see cats getting anywhere near it for awhile even if they land Smith/Oliver.


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[SurreyBlue]

Whispers suggesting Houston has said Thanks but NO thanks to NM

Poor North…..

 

[Arr0w]

I'd do Houston for a future 1st in a heartbeat

ericpascoe going by your bluemour, if Port would accept that for Houston (shuffling later picks), would Austin do the deal?

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Anyway, it's a moot point. History.

Hypothetically, lets say we spent this years pick as a 'future first', it would have been likely anyone from P11 - 15 in the 2023 draft. Not sure any of those names would have made a difference either, and as you said, we'd still lose.

No Point speculating.

You're right that not one player would have made the difference for us this year.

If we were talking about Butters or Trac, then 2 first rounders would be more sensible.

 

[chuncey]

or they turn out to be like the 95% of draftees that dont really impact their first year at all

I’d add Reid, Windsor, Mannagh and Humphries to a lesser extent Freijah McKercher and Caddy

That’s 8 to 11 players from 64 drafted. A fair way off 95%.

 

[yibbida]

Yeh agree Scott has been earmarked for Tassie job but can’t see cats getting anywhere near it for awhile even if they land Smith/Oliver.


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The team that won the 2022 Grand Final and were 2 goals away from playing in the 2024 GF? Lol.ok.