Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXVI - 'Loopy' Season in full swing

[Triniboy]

If it was me, I wouldn't offer more than

Pick 13 - F1+F2

Houston - Pick 13 + mid-late 2nd rounder, with a 3rd rounder back

for a hbf...its overs

 

[Stamos]

my thoughts are picks only land at the end of rounds, and when the contract value & length is considered it needs to be compared against other free agents rather than the rest of the playing pool as it's clearly a different (heavily inflated) market. Eliminates the first round being compromised by compensation picks, but also pushes quite a few of the current band 1 & band 2 picks back as they're being compared to FA contracts rather than trade and extension contracts.

If a cellar dweller gets ravaged then the afl would step in for some form of additional assistance anyway, like they have with North and GCS.

I was of this view, but it just penalises the bottom clubs more.
If you change Band 1 to 2nd round rather than end of 1st, then the wooden spooner ends up with the same compo, but they don't get screwed by a top 4 club getting compo.

 

[Bletch]

If they can't get rid of compo completely, just get rid of the first 2 Bands, so that Band 1 becomes after your 2nd round pick. Gives a bonus to a poor team as opposed to a top team, but much lower stakes.
1st round is uncompromised, and the bottom teams don't get screwed on their early 2nds.

Would rather do away with bands, and have each free agent assessed to a particular points value, with the compo pick then slotting in at whatever points value it lands. Secondly, a "tribunal" or whatever to assess merits of any compo pick in top 20.

That's assuming we can't do away with the thing altogether, which is my first preference. Or make the purchasing club pay with points, which is second preference.

 

[Arr0w]

for a hbf...its overs

Not all HBFers are the same

 

[carlton_99]

Interesting with Kennedy as he is obviously good enough in the midfield - we just don't need his type there. I'd love to keep him for his versatility especially up forward but if we can get a 2nd round pick for him in the 24' or 25' draft I think I would be happy with that. I'd hope the club holds on to him if it's not at least that.

 

[Stamos]

Would rather do away with bands, and have each free agent assessed to a particular points value, with the compo pick then slotting in at whatever points value it lands. Secondly, a "tribunal" or whatever to assess merits of any compo pick in top 20.

That's assuming we can't do away with the thing altogether, which is my first preference. Or make the purchasing club pay with points, which is second preference.

It's all open to manipulation, so I think it's better to lower the stakes, have Band 1 as a 2nd rounder.
Still decent compo, favouring the bottom teams, without screwing all other clubs nearly as much.

 

[Triniboy]

Do you really think that Vossy would be interested in him. Knowing that he is more averse to physical contact than even

LOB was. He is tall and an elite kick, just find it hard to believe that our coach would be into him.

don't agree with "averse to physical contact"...do you watch a lot of GC games ?

 

[bradfisher14]

I could live with Kennedy going to Richmond. Think he'd be happy there and would do well for them as a first choice mid.

Could use him in a larger deal for one of their higher picks. Which we could then use in a Houston deal.

 

[marcmurphy3]

Tigers would actually give us something usable for Kennedy. They have so many picks.

They could definately do with players of Kennedy quality but wow would their midfield be slow.

 

[LanceRomance]

houston will most likely go a victorian club that is in contention and offers the better contract....being close to vossy or silvagnis and what picks are given to port are prolly all secondary

given our cap squeeze filth will prolly offer a better contract and prolly get closer to satisfying ports pick requests

Wouldn't pies also have a cap squeeze?

 

[Blue_Fusion]

If it was me, I wouldn't offer more than

Pick 13 - F1+F2

Houston - Pick 13 + mid-late 2nd rounder, with a 3rd rounder back

So effectively, F1 + F2 + 34 for Houston + 57?

Where do we get another F2 from?

It's too much for us to pay for him and Port will be very reluctant on that anyway... very hard to see them settling on 13 + 34...

 

[goreds]

Not all HBFers are the same

I'd rather take a salary dump....

 

[CCurnow3votes]

Hopper perennially injured though.

Until Matt arrives!

Then he breaks the club record for games consecutively played…

If any club makes sense it’s Collingwood.

Problem is Matt wouldn’t be able to keep his breaky down!

 

[goreds]

Tigers would actually give us something usable for Kennedy. They have so many picks.

They could definately do with players of Kennedy quality but wow would their midfield be slow.

Almost make ours look fast...


*Fast in a quick walking sort of way...

 

[Sector 7G]

It's all open to manipulation, so I think it's better to lower the stakes, have Band 1 as a 2nd rounder.
Still decent compo, favouring the bottom teams, without screwing all other clubs nearly as much.

And bottom teams will have the Salary Cap space to match and get more than a 2nd rounder. It does limit movement. Would Bombers give up a 1st for Ben McKay.?

At very least the compensation needs to reflect the new salary Cap. Band 1 needs to be over $1M for at least 5 years. Players like Zac Merrett are looking at the deals Perryman and Battle have signed and thinking WTF.

Where would Perryman be on the pies pay scale and who is he behind? ND, DM,JDG,JD. I guess the rest of their players are aging out their best paydays.

 

[CCurnow3votes]

I'd rather take a salary dump....

 

[bradfisher14]

Has this been covered in here yet? Apologies if it has, I've been in and out of reception for a few days.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Not what he used to be sure. But not someone Geelong can afford to let go if they have designs on the 25 GF

They are good at finding a sucker club to sell off players too so they can keep on replenishing….

 

[Blue_Fusion]

If Giants want to move up this year, and we're looking for multiple 1st round picks could try:

GWS:
13 + F1 -> 15 + 16 + 55

*:
34 -> *F2

GC:
F2 -> 29

Head to the draft with:

15 + 16 + 29

Use 55 + 65 + 68 + 71 (385 pts ~#42/43 in value) for B.Campo bid (we may need to go into deficit a bit here)

We keep *'s F2 for next year.

 

[Bearded Carpenter]

houston will most likely go a victorian club that is in contention and offers the better contract....being close to vossy or silvagnis and what picks are given to port are prolly all secondary

given our cap squeeze filth will prolly offer a better contract and prolly get closer to satisfying ports pick requests

What is prolly, and does prolly prolly want a cracker?

 

[Sector 7G]

I could live with Kennedy going to Richmond. Think he'd be happy there and would do well for them as a first choice mid.

Could use him in a larger deal for one of their higher picks. Which we could then use in a Houston deal.

It would be a bad move for him. Tigers will have 3 mids from the first round of the draft (plus 2 talls from the first round) plus they already have 2 big slow mids

 

[TheReal99prelim]

What's he done?

Sold his house for a start

 

[Stamos]

And bottom teams will have the Salary Cap space to match and get more than a 2nd rounder. It does limit movement. Would Bombers give up a 1st for Ben McKay.?

The system is broken when North is incentivised to lose McKay.
Without the #3 as compo, they would have tried to keep him, and he would have been happy to stay.

The way to help player movement would be to get rid of Restricted Free Agency, everyone becomes Unrestricted after 8 years service.

 

[Kruezing]

It would be a bad move for him. Tigers will have 3 mids from the first round of the draft (plus 2 talls from the first round) plus they already have 2 big slow mids

Yes but he can play half back now lol

 

[Accidental genius]

What is prolly, and does prolly prolly want a cracker?

Short of probably which I hate writing obecause I get confused with the ‘bably’ part….damn you got me