Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXVI - 'Loopy' Season in full swing

[StaggerLee]

Is it solely on the club that they advised Kennedy that he could explore is options or is there a chance that maybe he requested it and got the club’s blessing?

 

[dragonsblues]

And just where did I mention any player names for Petracca in that post?
Don't make shit up at my expense to suit your agenda.

Go on then, play list manager.

Tell us what the right changes are. Tell us how we inject more speed into the midfield whilst also playing Kennedy in there more, as per his demands.

 

[BlueTongue]

Sadly, as I discussed with several people on here meetings we had with senior players last Monday after Lions loss didn't really solve anything. Interesting the names mentioned as possible trades are the ones I mentioned as not being happy and there are more players involved.

There is probably more concerns and rumours coming from the club than I have heard in 3 years.

There is a lot of frustration amongst the playing group. Especially senior players. This has been bubbling along for a few months and IMO this has been shown in results.

It seems internally the coaches and LM are blaming the players? This is where the issues seem to lie.

The club is at a real cross roads in regards to it's football department. These things need to be fixed and addressed. Voss won't be sacked (I don't think) but he needs to take things on board or he will really lose the group. If he can I can see us being Top 4 and if he doesn't we could fall dramatically.

Game plan, style and expectations seems to be the major issue but there are issues with List balance, contracts and who we are possibly targeting.

As I have said for months we are speaking with anyone and everyone and there will be a minimum 8-10 changes. Houston wasn't a target of Austin but Voss is pushing for him. What will happen I have no idea.

This is where Cook needs to step up and I have concerns about Lloyd. IMO, A strong Head of Football wouldn't have let these issues fester

Fingers crossed we can sort this and soon. I never would have believed this 6 months ago. Next 4-6 weeks will determine a lot of our future. I believe it's this serious

I have absolutely no idea of the off field workings of a football club, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see 2 immediate issues, even from outside and with no inner knowledge, that these are damning.

Brad Lloyd sits at the top of about 4 different areas of concern, and have been of concern for a couple of years. And regardless of the ins and outs he's had to deal with, he has clearly NOT dealt with those and ultimately the buck stops with him. Cook needs to step in and swing the axe here. Nothing less will suffice.

Voss - Right now I dont want him sacked, I don't think that would help us. He is a good motivator if nothing else, and having the confidence of the players is half the battle of coaching. We can get him better assistants, but he really needs to stop playing favorites and start to walk the walk, not continue on with the talk and then be a hypocrite. Case in point, 'Next man up'. It takes a barrage of injuries before he even starts playing the new blokes. Sure, some arent ready, but a few have proven they are. Carrol hasnt even been given a chance to settle in before he's straight back out at the expense of Fantasia, Motlop, or one of his other underperforming favorites. Pull your head in Voss. This (and the dropping of Kennedy, Hewitt) has obviously contributed to player unrest and he is hurting our culture right now.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Basically if we've actually "announced" to these 3 to go look and it's been made public then we've put our nuts in a sling as per usual with our trading power. Other clubs list management will be going, "well you've told them you've wanted them out"... same thing happened with Dow, we got peanuts. Now Martin we just let go???? and he's got 2-3 suitors who may have at least given us a late 3rd or 4th which by our standing having to add 7+ players to our list may of been some benefit.

I get we don't want to go all out DoDo on our perception with trades and such, but boy oh boy wowee getting tired of being so nice. Might as well help Brisbane get Ashcroft for nothing in return, like we did with the Hawks a few years back.

A late 3rd or 4th really have 0 value to us JJ. They'll be swallowed up by the Campo bids and we only have so many list spots we can fill.

Martin is free to a good home because he's made of cellophane, no point haggling over a pick we won't use when we can just let him go where he wants.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Come on mate read between the lines. The club and player have worded it nicely so Kennedy finds a new club and we get some compensation.

If no one offers him a contract he will stay. If he leaves it will be for a 3rd rounder and thank you for your service. I'm not happy with the compensation but that is life.

Sorry I don't remember seeing the club or Matt Kennedy announcing jack ****?

Mitch Cleary tweeted it but for all we know Kennedy has requested to go test the market and the club said we'll oblige but we'd want overs to trade you given the value u bring us.

End of the day none of us have a clue what happened in the exit meeting nor do we know who's the instigator in the matter.

 

[Stamos]

Owies is a very hard one to read, probably early third rounder is the mark, but it is galling when his output pretty much matches Lachie Schultz who drew a first rounder, plus.

Would love them to go as a package deal and get us a top thirty pick.

Schultz was a bit better than Owies, was contracted, and the Filth overpaid, so the value isn’t completely analogous. But, he cost #34 and F1.
So surely a 2nd round pick for a guy who kicked 33 goals is reasonable.

As to a package deal, in the end it’s all about what we end up with, not the price of individual trades. So it will depend on what we’re bringing in. I’m going to assume that we’ll only have a maximum of 2 picks pre Ben bid in whatever planning we have, so getting 31 as high as possible would be good.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Just curious, what do people genuinely see chugga and mowies being worth at the trade table. And what they're actually worth not what we hope to get. Kennedy may get you a mid to late second/early third. Owies I'd suggest is at best a third

Not much tbh.
Think it’s more about clearing cap space

 

[agro]

Schultz was a bit better than Owies, was contracted, and the Filth overpaid, so the value isn’t completely analogous. But, he cost #34 and F1.
So surely a 2nd round pick for a guy who kicked 33 goals is reasonable.

If anyone offers 2nd round - kiss their feet and move on.

 

[jezza25]

Depending on how bad the situation is, you'd hope the wheels don't fall off as we go into next season

We started a full rebuild and got in the players which was good

Off-field flying with record memberships

Russell may have been ok if not for the injury prones (not sure)

but the one important ingredient in all of this that we've struggled with is finding a good coach..

Sadly, Voss might deliver the final blow to this rebuild

Were you saying this at 9/2 ?

 

[katmanblue]

Isn't the idea that we've "allowed them to explore" but we're not selling them.

Particularly with Kennedy, he's contracted, so we're not fire selling him.

I think the point we've "oversold our hand" is overblown.

I reckon it's about doing right by the player.

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[Benaly28]

I think there’s some smoke around Sam De Koning and his future at the cats …

I think if he doesn’t get picked this week and if they make a granny he may just be in a negative state of mind and could be convinced.


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[katmanblue]

Probably just inferred by us telling him to look for another club

Not telling, allowing. Fair difference.

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[BrisbaneCFC]

Malthouse was going senile.
Bolton was good but had his throat cut by SOS cutting the list too deep.
Teague was a mistake.
Voss is great, just needs a bit of tactical leadership around him.

FWIW, i dont think the list was cut quick enough or deep enough soon enough.

 

[Accidental genius]

Were you saying this at 9/2 ?

I always had my doubts but we were flying at that time so no I wasn’t.

I’m thinking it’s not going to end well. Time will tell.

 

[katmanblue]

You ok?

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[jezza25]

I always had my doubts but we were flying at that time so no I wasn’t.

I’m thinking it’s not going to end well. Time will tell.

Have faith. We were so pumped this time last year. Best experience I’ve ever had with my kids.
Again we were flying early in the season until injuries slowly killed us.
Hopefully we address a few small deficiencies and let’s go towards next year’s premiership

 

[Campoeasy]

That will depend entirely on the demand. I would be amazed if Chugga doesn’t have multiple suitors we may have a little control over. I will be disappointed if he can’t draw us a second rounder. Owies is a very hard one to read, probably early third rounder is the mark, but it is galling when his output pretty much matches Lachie Schultz who drew a first rounder, plus.

Would love them to go as a package deal and get us a top thirty pick.

By the end this is kind of what I expect the result to be, another pick around 25-30

 

[Hands On]

source, trams Physio's & Starchamber

 

[Tjblues]

Can we pause a bit on the doom spiraling?

Yes, the season ended disappointingly.

Yes there’s things that we could’ve done better, but progress is rarely linear.

Dees: prelim in 18, 17th in 19, 9th in 20, 1st and Flag in 21 and top 4 the next 2.

Tigers: 5th in 13 (elim), 8th in 14 (elim), 5th in 15 (elim), 13th in 16, 3rd and flag in 17 and 19/20.

We’re in a sink or swim spot, but just as things are never as good as they seem (2nd at round 19) they aren’t as bad as they seem right now either.

The list will change, but losing faith in coaches and footy bosses now is a decision based on panic

 

[The Bighouse]

Think MFC should be looking at MK.
Talk on SEN that Oliver may have had a chat with Adelaide (again).

 

[DangerousD]

Cook ran a review and the club decided to stick with Thompson after a really poor 2006 when they finished 10th with a record of 10/11 and being belted by the Hawks by over 10 goals in their last game. The whole footy world expected him to be sacked.

That was his 6th season from memory and they had made one prelim but overall they had struggled. They were a long way from being constantly at the top.

The easy decision would have been to sack him. They toughed it out and won the flag the next year.

I love Matty Kennedy as much as the next bloke but I can't believe that people are having connections if we have decided that our midfield needs to be quicker.

I agree with your Kennedy comment and looking back with hindsight it seems Cook likes to back in his decisions, Malthouse, Thompson and Scott all turned out to be multiple premiership coaches.

Maybe these appointments didn’t all look like a success at the time

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

It's not beyond the realms of possibility that Kennedy is very pissed off with Voss and therefor if he nominates a club(removing the auction aspect), we can expect **** all compensation.(at least less than most would find acceptable)

If he doesn't want to be here, than you just arrange any trade that suits Kennedy.

 

[Magruder]

Kennedy an earlish 2nd, most likely an upgrade of 2nds. Knowing the other party's list manager, it will be a drawn out affair

Owies, early 3rd

Aw ****… is he really going there?

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

It's not beyond the realms of possibility that Kennedy is very pissed off with Voss and therefor if he nominates a club(removing the auction aspect), we can expect **** all compensation.(at least less than most would find acceptable)

If he doesn't want to be here, than you just arrange any trade that suits Kennedy.

Midweek tackle reporting tonight he is happy to stay and most likely to be at the club next year

 

[MITSUHIRATO]

Kennedy an earlish 2nd, most likely an upgrade of 2nds. Knowing the other party's list manager, it will be a drawn out affair

Owies, early 3rd

Dodoro has already left Essendon.