Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXVI - 'Loopy' Season in full swing

[katmanblue]

I want the players, living hard now. They should be staying up late, on the beers and mingling. Now is the time!!! Unlock the Cage!!! Release the beasts!!!

Unleash the Kraken

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[bigblueboy]

How's you footy career going buddy?

Cmon Dan, lighten up.

 

[Blue By Blood]

He has another decade of senior footy at Geelong.

If he jumps ship because he got left out of some finals after a patchy year, then he’d be a bit of a sook, really.

Played in a flag in his 2nd year and has been backed by his club all the way, whilst playing in a winning side most weeks.

He won’t go, and Geelong wouldn’t let him anyway.

I did specifically say I don’t think he’ll leave nor would the Cats let him go. Read the first line of my post again.
I was merely stating reasons why he would consider it... playing with a brother would be a big pull. For the same reason TDK will always be linked to the Cats.

Oh and also, he has another decade of footy whichever club he plays for. We know historically that players can get annoyed by being left out of the team rightly or wrongly.. it happens.

 

[katmanblue]

Walsh is still an elite runner, Daicos does the 2km in 6:30 or so - Walsh is right near 6-flat

I wouldn’t question Nick’s commitment because he runs a 6:30 - I’m a good runner by regular people standards and would struggle to cover that

I reckon I could do 6.30 if I pushed. For each km, that is.

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[CCurnow3votes]

Just wanted to confirm with Nick Haynes coming in, I will play a role predominantly in the forward line in 2025

Just stay out of my way as discussed Brackets ol’ boy!

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

Who to come in for though?

Dixon for Port... He's like an old treadmill that doesn't work anymore...

Cats are playing the lions … would’ve thought SDK perfect to play on Daniher

 

[Sam The Doc]

Cats are playing the lions … would’ve thought SDK perfect to play on Daniher

Never too late..could be in.

 

[BlueTongue]

Unleash the Kraken

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[SafeAsMilk]

Some updates and some dispelling of dribble.

When asked why he didn’t we the time trial last year (or even complete in it) Walsh answered ‘I broke my back’ when pressed further on the subject he responded ‘it’s spinal’

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

Never too late..could be in.

Never understood the mind games, stupid when clubs do that. If he’s in just name him

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

Some updates and some dispelling of dribble.

When asked why he didn’t we the time trial last year (or even complete in it) Walsh answered ‘I broke my back’ when pressed further on the subject he responded ‘it’s spinal’
Outside of that, it is an absolute ridiculous notion to question his, of all people’s professionalism. I’d much prefer him to spend 2 weeks in Bali living it up than have him train through the mandatory break period, especially considering he of all people is the one to train to hard. Considering he started his preseason around February this year, I’d give him until the 3rd of January off and he’ll still put in a sub 6 minute 2km.
Ridiculous.
Oh by the way, football players party, drink and many do other stuff, just like 80% of people aged over 15. Shock horror!!

On another note, just to correct the on going rants from the gettable crew and other outlets.
Owies has been offered a deal from us, a reasonable deal of 2 years + triggers. But he has been offered some much higher and longer deals from several other clubs.
I don’t want to lose him, but I don’t want us to match the offers he’s receiving.

In regards to what world Noble is getting the pies pick 12. The answer is not this one.
Gold Coast do need to shed a lot of salary and get some 2nd rounders for academy players, but that still won’t make a difference.

Finally we will ask about SDK everyday for the next 10 years, just like Geelong will ask for TDK. Can’t see it happening.

 

[BRADLESTICKS]

Some updates and some dispelling of dribble.

When asked why he didn’t we the time trial last year (or even complete in it) Walsh answered ‘I broke my back’ when pressed further on the subject he responded ‘it’s spinal’
Outside of that, it is an absolute ridiculous notion to question his, of all people’s professionalism. I’d much prefer him to spend 2 weeks in Bali living it up than have him train through the mandatory break period, especially considering he of all people is the one to train to hard. Considering he started his preseason around February this year, I’d give him until the 3rd of January off and he’ll still put in a sub 6 minute 2km.
Ridiculous.
Oh by the way, football players party, drink and many do other stuff, just like 80% of people aged over 15. Shock horror!!

On another note, just to correct the on going rants from the gettable crew and other outlets.
Owies has been offered a deal from us, a reasonable deal of 2 years + triggers. But he has been offered some much higher and longer deals from several other clubs.
I don’t want to lose him, but I don’t want us to match the offers he’s receiving.

In regards to what world Noble is getting the pies pick 12. The answer is not this one.
Gold Coast do need to shed a lot of salary and get some 2nd rounders for academy players, but that still won’t make a difference.

Finally we will ask about SDK everyday for the next 10 years, just like Geelong will ask for TDK. Can’t see it happening.

A strange narrative has developed from some on this board about the year Sam Walsh had.
For starters no preseason, missed the first 5 games then played so well in his first 11 games back he polled coaches votes in 9 of them and was openly discussed as almost a certainty by the all Australian selectors. Finished the year averaging 28 possessions 5 clearances and 7 tackles all while still clearly hampered by his back injury which has affected his kicking. Yes he dropped off in the last 5/6 weeks like almost everyone else in our side but Walsh is the least of our problems and most likely the next captain of the football club.

 

[gandaal]

There's people stupid enough to question the professionalism of Sam Walsh

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Sam Walsh

Age

24

Ht

184cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.1

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

11.6

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

3.2

5star

CL

3.4

5star

No current season stats available

D

26.2

5star

K

15.4

5star

HB

10.8

5star

M

6.0

5star

T

3.2

5star

CL

4.8

5star

? Seriously?

Would be the most professional footballer I've seen since Chris Judd.

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

There's people stupid enough to question the professionalism of Sam Walsh? Seriously?

Would be the most professional footballer I've seen since Chris Judd.

Straight up bizarre!! Strange place this is … plus would love to see the condition and health habits of the people making these stupid baseless assumptions

 

[blue healer]

We need Taylor Adams to have a chat with SDK.

Is that the same Taylor Adams who can't get a game in the Swans final teams?

At least SDK has been listed as an emergency.

 

[CarmenSandiego]

For those saying Gov failed forward.. how many games did he play alongside both Harry and Charlie? My recollection is that he mainly played with one of those guys missing and got the 2nd best defender. Still believe he’s more a forward than defender. He has zero natural defensive skill (like most of our defenders). He has a beautiful kick though which is the only reason he was moved behind the ball.

I actually remember it the opposite - he was completely lost as a 3rd tall but pretty decent when he was playing second banana. 2019 was his only year as a fwd alongside Charlie & Harry.

2019: Kicked multiple goals in rounds:
Rd2 - Charlie went off injured
Rd4 - Played with both Harry & Charlie
Rd6 - No Charlie
Rd8 - Played with both Harry & Charlie
Rd21 - No Charlie
Rd22 - No Charlie

Other games when he played with both, he was barely noticeable. He was decent in 2021 as 2nd fiddle, probably his best year for us down there.

I think you're right in regards to Gov not being a natural 'defender', but he's sure as hell not a natural forward by football IQ measures. Consistently lead to the wrong places & didn't have the work ethic for unrewarded running. Players like him and Jones thrive being in defense because they don't have to worry about that, it's a low footy IQ position - they can let the play unfold in front of them and react accordingly instead of trying to read it ahead of time like a forward has to.

He really should just be that 3rd tall defender for us who can wax on/off with Weitering for the intercept role, depending on matchups. He's an elite kick on both sides of his body, is quick and is a good size with a great leap. He's just prone to a brain fart, which every defender is. Decent coaching & a consistent role should see his defensive outputs improve.

Think Kemp & JSOS are the better 3rd tall fwd options, personally.

 

[katmanblue]

A strange narrative has developed from some on this board about the year Sam Walsh had.
For starters no preseason, missed the first 5 games then played so well in his first 11 games back he polled coaches votes in 9 of them and was openly discussed as almost a certainty by the all Australian selectors. Finished the year averaging 28 possessions 5 clearances and 7 tackles all while still clearly hampered by his back injury which has affected his kicking. Yes he dropped off in the last 5/6 weeks like almost everyone else in our side but Walsh is the least of our problems and most likely the next captain of the football club.

I'd rather he got 21 and hit the target more often. My only issue with him is his terrible kicking and decision making.

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[skadoosh]

There is no SDK situation. Geelong don’t even know they were looking to trade him, and SDK didn’t know he wanted to leave Geelong.

I was actually only asking why he wasn't being picked to play

 

[T2B_]

43 goes WHACK!

 

[windows1]

It doesn`t sound like you couldn`t care less about all this stuff, because you sure seem to be up on your high horse about Walsh being a pisshead, as your comments are very scathing of a player that won the AFL award for the best finals player last year and usually gives his all for the team (barring injury...)

I also cannot see how you can compare him to the other players as E. Hollands was in his first year with us and had a lot of motivation to perform, and hopefully he keeps putting in like he did as he was great, but time will tell?!! Walsh has the other players you mentioned covered fairly well, as Ollie looked like he had the "second year blues" at times this season after his stellar 2023, and the Irish kid has not had any time to show anything yet?!!.......

I really do not understand your personal vendetta against Walsh as he has always come across as the ultimate professional to me, but there you go......You are not from the temperance league by any chance are you, as the boozing seems to have really stoked your boilers.......

I do understand Carlton supporters (including me...) being frustrated with how the club has been stuck in the wilderness for 30 years, but I don`t think all the blame sits with a player like Walsh exactly.......

I don’t have a vendetta against him. Long time posters would know I’ve always adored him.

 

[T2B_]

I'm not too surprised on Geelong's stance re: SDK not being tradable.

I remember the way Scott spoke of him in the presser after we beat them, he and the Cats as a whole seem to view him as very much a long term blue chip kinda player and highly rate him.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

What universe would someone like SDK do leaving Cats for us.

• Has he had premiership success with them - tick
• Are they a stable club - tick
• Future finals opportunities - recent history - tick tick tick
• Does the coach micro manage me outside of club training and duties - nope - tick
• Will I become a better footballer playing here or there - recent history - tick

Our bias aside, more recent compelling reasons if you had to pick between the 2 clubs, Geelong wins. Unless $$$ is a huge factor, but the Cats have other means of compensation outside the cap

• thinks C. Scott is a total w***er - tick.
• extremely ageing list with most of the top 10 players all close to retirement - tick.

There are two sides to any coin:

 

[T2B_]

I dunno Pendles strikes me as potentially being a bit of a lad off the field, I'd think he'd have a few. That and its practically required at the Pies. Probably.

 

[Blue By Blood]

I actually remember it the opposite - he was completely lost as a 3rd tall but pretty decent when he was playing second banana. 2019 was his only year as a fwd alongside Charlie & Harry.

2019: Kicked multiple goals in rounds:
Rd2 - Charlie went off injured
Rd4 - Played with both Harry & Charlie
Rd6 - No Charlie
Rd8 - Played with both Harry & Charlie
Rd21 - No Charlie
Rd22 - No Charlie

Other games when he played with both, he was barely noticeable. He was decent in 2021 as 2nd fiddle, probably his best year for us down there.

I think you're right in regards to Gov not being a natural 'defender', but he's sure as hell not a natural forward by football IQ measures. Consistently lead to the wrong places & didn't have the work ethic for unrewarded running. Players like him and Jones thrive being in defense because they don't have to worry about that, it's a low footy IQ position - they can let the play unfold in front of them and react accordingly instead of trying to read it ahead of time like a forward has to.

He really should just be that 3rd tall defender for us who can wax on/off with Weitering for the intercept role, depending on matchups. He's an elite kick on both sides of his body, is quick and is a good size with a great leap. He's just prone to a brain fart, which every defender is. Decent coaching & a consistent role should see his defensive outputs improve.

Think Kemp & JSOS are the better 3rd tall fwd options, personally.

I see it very differently. The third tall defender position is not an easy position to play at all. You need to have high footy IQ to know when to peel off your man and try to intercept. When to spoil or when to mark. When to let your man lead up and not go with them etc. The third tall is often the crucial cog in whether a goal is conceded or not.

As a forward he has some natural skills. He’s quick off the mark so he can get separation on his opponent. He has a good leap so he can potentially take a pack mark. He’s also a deceptively good tackler and he often tackles with more mongrel than many else in our team. That would help with the forward pressure and locking it in. He has more agility than most defenders if he gets the height mismatch. The issue like you identified is can he run and do a lot of the unrewarded stuff. That’s a big question mark. I think there’s been too many variables with his time forward to say it’s a complete fail. JSOS whilst he clearly has more footy IQ, he just doesn’t provide a troubling matchup for any defender. The talls monster him and the smalls are too agile for him. Can’t question his work rate though. I’m a big fan of JSOS but I’m struggling to see him crack the best 22 next year.

 

[RPCB]

Can’t question his work rate though

I say any player whose biggest skill set is “work rate”, are the types we should be moving on. Not the types that are best 22.