Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXVI - 'Loopy' Season in full swing

[myblueroan]

I would not be devastated if we just trade Haynes and take four or five good and strategic draftees. We need KPD progression, dynamic small forward option, ideally classy distributing mid/utility and ideally an elite rebounding type. Would love to find a “bridging” KPD as a rookie to hopefully upgrade Sam Durdin (who remains on the list)

FWIW I don’t agree with the group think that Kempy will be deployed forward. His days in defence are not done, given logical list progression. My preference would be for Kemp to have a “utility” year, being used in every third of the ground at times. Reckon Lemmey should start 2025 playing Key Back in the twos to give us options(hopefully).

How many spots do we get? So far we have not freed up any rookie spots, with Lord replacing Mirkov. Boyd requiring upgrade should create one spot. Hopefully Duffy can replace Akuei on Cat B list rather than take a Cat A spot, or we will have no rookie vacancies. (Unless Durdin and/or M.Carroll is delisted)

Currently only three main list vacancies. Generally accepted J.Carroll and Owies will move on. Then there is the noise around Kennedy and Young.

Currently banking on five vacancies.

Haynes (would prefer genuine KPP, but Nick likely a good mentor and has a bit left)
Lindsay/Berry
Dennis/O’Farrell
Ben Camporeale
Boyd upgrade
Lucas Camporeale (maybe gets to rookie). I am not 100% convinced we find the room for Lucas, although am happy he is good enough.

We are a spot short to get that done(if Chugga and Young stay) For mine we move Orazio to the rookie list to create that room. Or change the Main list/rookie list balance.

That is without all of the rumoured and wish list trades in here.

I am convinced Austin is true to his word and more likely than not to resist pressures from Vossy and others. I can’t see many avenues to be creative and create more list vacancies. We do not have the vacancies or salary cap to make big acquisitions without creating extreme pressures for the foreseeable future.

All very well if you don't mind waiting years more to try for a flag?
The window is now.
Look to the Cats for how to get your chances and keep them.

Shuffling new players who are around the standard we just offloaded aint it for mine.

We need to get modern fast.

Unless the players you mention will help us play the thrilling sustained style we've been witnessing over these prelims?

Not sure if you've noticed our player development has been shite for a long time now?
I want us to get Houston if we can and a few other fab surprises as well.

 

[Campoeasy]

Oh man I made a nice bit on the Lions tonight … Geelong really? I mean we thrashed them by 11 goals how good can they be lol

Lij cost me last week, had a 17 leg same game multi $235 odds, only leg that didn't get up was lij finished on 68 fantasy points and needed 70, let's just say it's taken me a week to get over it.

 

[Coona Blues]

All very well if you don't mind waiting years more to try for a flag?
The window is now.
Look to the Cats for how to get your chances and keep them.

Shuffling new players who are around the standard we just offloaded aint it for mine.

We need to get modern fast.

Unless the players you mention will help us play the thrilling sustained style we've been witnessing over these prelims?

Not sure if you've noticed our player development has been shite for a long time now?
I want us to get Houston if we can and a few other fab surprises as well.

Terribly sorry for living in the real world.

(Oh, sorry, the real world these days is “kids” who are entitled to everything without doing the hard yards. Prepared to blow up the future for the NOW)

 

[The Bighouse]

Yes, they say 'we were always best of friends, stick together and defend', so team unity is important down back. However they also say 'you don't need a friend when you can score', so stick your FIGJAMS up forward.

Part of the new TAS team song.

 

[myblueroan]

Terribly sorry for living in the real world.

(Oh, sorry, the real world these days is “kids” who are entitled to everything without doing the hard yards. Prepared to blow up the future for the NOW)

Well, no...not saying that. Of course we'll get a couple of draft picks. But we already have the Campo boys, of which it seems only one is really talented.
So maybe 4 newbs ...and get in a couple of ready made winners.
Every footy player at AFL level works hard!
We've unfortunately made a lot of poor decisions with injury prone talent.

Do you want to throw away the chance for Crippa and all the boys who've worked so hard over how many years?

I don't.
30 years.
I'm not ready to go through another rebuild until we've given all we can to make the most of these next few years.

 

[Lukeblueboy]

All very well if you don't mind waiting years more to try for a flag?
The window is now.
Look to the Cats for how to get your chances and keep them.

Shuffling new players who are around the standard we just offloaded aint it for mine.

We need to get modern fast.

Unless the players you mention will help us play the thrilling sustained style we've been witnessing over these prelims?

Not sure if you've noticed our player development has been shite for a long time now?
I want us to get Houston if we can and a few other fab surprises as well.

This. We need to get out shit together this trade period imo
And that’s still to bring in a good kid or two, but we need to be thinking about the window where currently in as well. Smart decisions and specific needs/changes to keep up with the modern game

 

[macky99]

Terribly sorry for living in the real world.

(Oh, sorry, the real world these days is “kids” who are entitled to everything without doing the hard yards. Prepared to blow up the future for the NOW)

Tend to agree on this, would be very tempted to bring next years F1st and use it to gain another 1st round pick in this draft, if we are getting Houston we still need to have a 1st rounder in this draft.

We need quickness & players with much better skills, potentially Kennedy & Owies & Carroll may have improve our 2nd & 3rd picks and free up list spots.

The current list definitely needs a refresh & injection of young talent & additions that can make a point of difference.

 

[The Bighouse]

Pretty sure there will be players battling to break into their clubs best 22 that we will look at. Konstanty, Stone, Robertson etc that could step up in 2025.

I don’t see any chance SDK happens and also doubt we will get Houston.

The draft is our friend this year imo. 3 picks inside the top 25 along with Haynes, Konstanty, Garcia, Stone and a delisted FA Curtis Taylor would be a good result and not break the salary cap.

Need to cut a little deeper, as we need further KPD (not counting Haynes in this bracket).
3 picks <25 would be ideal + Campo’s (and Duffy)
Konstanty, Stone and would take C.Taylor as a HFF = 3 forwards in, minus 1 in Owies, may need to offer Motlop &/or Durdin to ship off.
Garcia has some much needed pace but think others are more advanced there.

 

[Coona Blues]

We already have a dangerously top heavy list dynamic from both talent and finances. Amazed that so many want to double down and further compromise the balance.

Heaven help us if Weitering gets an LTI, let alone we keep playing Charlie and Harry in a way that demands individual performance over team structures and dynamics. We also need pace, that doesn’t come from adding one or two players for the medium term.

We have a list capable of winning a flag. Unfortunately we do not have a list which can sustain the Voss playing model for 29 plus weeks to obtain the ladder position and still be healthy at the business end of the season. We rely on too few and need multiple pieces capable of “modern footy”.

Saad’s run and dare has already been blunted by the Voss way, do we expect “give it to Houston” is going to make that much difference? It will create more pressures on willing soldiers to carry the load defensively while getting 1/4 of the remuneration. Does not work for long term sustainability.

 

[myblueroan]

We already have a dangerously top heavy list dynamic from both talent and finances. Amazed that so many want to double down and further compromise the balance.

Heaven help us if Weitering gets an LTI, let alone we keep playing Charlie and Harry in a way that demands individual performance over team structures and dynamics. We also need pace, that doesn’t come from adding one or two players for the medium term.

We have a list capable of winning a flag. Unfortunately we do not have a list which can sustain the Voss playing model for 29 plus weeks to obtain the ladder position and still be healthy at the business end of the season. We rely on too few and need multiple pieces capable of “modern footy”.

Saad’s run and dare has already been blunted by the Voss way, do we expect “give it to Houston” is going to make that much difference? It will create more pressures on willing soldiers to carry the load defensively while getting 1/4 of the remuneration. Does not work for long term sustainability.

Agree with all this!

Agree we need a KPD.
Agree the game style sucks and is not sustainable! We have been so boring to watch.
Only occassionaly breaking oilut with dare and pace.
Usually too late in the game

I don't want us being the team left each week in a cloud of dust by all the exciting teams playing modern innovative footy.
However.
Maybe us playing with a point of difference is good.
If we made the most of our twin towers.
And if our small forwards were coached to play super smart footy like the cat's forwards do.
Invest in the best forwards coach out there. One from a winning team and one who actually played as a talented forward! Stevie J level would be nice.
I don't see how bringing in more top end talent does anything to dampen this.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

We already have a dangerously top heavy list dynamic from both talent and finances. Amazed that so many want to double down and further compromise the balance.

Heaven help us if Weitering gets an LTI, let alone we keep playing Charlie and Harry in a way that demands individual performance over team structures and dynamics. We also need pace, that doesn’t come from adding one or two players for the medium term.

We have a list capable of winning a flag. Unfortunately we do not have a list which can sustain the Voss playing model for 29 plus weeks to obtain the ladder position and still be healthy at the business end of the season. We rely on too few and need multiple pieces capable of “modern footy”.

Saad’s run and dare has already been blunted by the Voss way, do we expect “give it to Houston” is going to make that much difference? It will create more pressures on willing soldiers to carry the load defensively while getting 1/4 of the remuneration. Does not work for long term sustainability.

This needs more nuance....

We need to learn to win games easily, without busting our butts....

That means the coaching crew need to get Harry and Charlie fit and 1 or both of them kicking a swag - 5 or more goals - regularly.

That means having a legitimate 3rd and 4th tall - Moir, Kemp/JSOS - taking the heat off H & C. Keeping the defenders guessing.

Of course this comes back to:

1. Playing more than 1 quarter of good footy each game (a fit Cerra/Walsh will help here immensely).
2. Better/smarter I50 delivery. Less predictability.

 

[macky99]

We already have a dangerously top heavy list dynamic from both talent and finances. Amazed that so many want to double down and further compromise the balance.

Heaven help us if Weitering gets an LTI, let alone we keep playing Charlie and Harry in a way that demands individual performance over team structures and dynamics. We also need pace, that doesn’t come from adding one or two players for the medium term.

We have a list capable of winning a flag. Unfortunately we do not have a list which can sustain the Voss playing model for 29 plus weeks to obtain the ladder position and still be healthy at the business end of the season. We rely on too few and need multiple pieces capable of “modern footy”.

Saad’s run and dare has already been blunted by the Voss way, do we expect “give it to Houston” is going to make that much difference? It will create more pressures on willing soldiers to carry the load defensively while getting 1/4 of the remuneration. Does not work for long term sustainability.

l don't believe this list without adding some pieces will win a flag.
We currently have a one dimensional mid field & lack quality mid/small forwards compared to Geelong & Brisbane we are well short in this area & quality tall support for Weitering, there are some gaps that need to be addressed.

 

[The Bighouse]

Arrow really rated Smith. Rightfully so.

Walsh has been better to date though.

I do remember a lot of talk at the time about turning pick 1 into two top 10 picks and trying to take Rozee and Smith.

Now wouldn't that have been something

GCFC were hoping to switch 2 & 6 for pick# 1 weren’t they?
Rankine & B.Smith > Walsh

 

[Arr0w]

Sides at our level will always want to capitalise on the talent they have to win a flag, but still needs a to be a balanced approach to list management

I suspect we will add both mature players and draftees

Our best move so far, which will benefit short to medium term, was moving on a number of injury prone

Greater continuity and cohesion is one of the most important factors in the game

 

[Lukeblueboy]

Imo need to be more creative in house as well, as we may have some answers to some questions on our list right now looking us in the face, regarding moving magnets around a little

 

[Doro]

Imo need to be more creative in house as well, as we may have some answers to some questions on our list right now looking us in the face, regarding moving magnets around a little

They aren't magnets. Ultra- strong adhesive, no movement possible.

 

[The Bighouse]

We already have a dangerously top heavy list dynamic from both talent and finances. Amazed that so many want to double down and further compromise the balance.

Heaven help us if Weitering gets an LTI, let alone we keep playing Charlie and Harry in a way that demands individual performance over team structures and dynamics. We also need pace, that doesn’t come from adding one or two players for the medium term.

We have a list capable of winning a flag. Unfortunately we do not have a list which can sustain the Voss playing model for 29 plus weeks to obtain the ladder position and still be healthy at the business end of the season. We rely on too few and need multiple pieces capable of “modern footy”.

Saad’s run and dare has already been blunted by the Voss way, do we expect “give it to Houston” is going to make that much difference? It will create more pressures on willing soldiers to carry the load defensively while getting 1/4 of the remuneration. Does not work for long term sustainability.

Riight, so the Voss way has taken away Saad’s ability to defend at stoppage. Buck has to stop with the players for their performances. Saad has his own hamstring mental battles & calls for the ball but is in the wrong position - much like Sam Walsh.

I think it’s more the Russell effect. See what Innes brings to the table on the fitness stakes, then we may see the football we want to play with continuity out on the park (we’ve only played it in spurts).

Skills deployment coach wouldn’t go astray either + a forward line that works together/into space with some crumbers.

 

[Red Bull]

Imo need to be more creative in house as well, as we may have some answers to some questions on our list right now looking us in the face, regarding moving magnets around a little

Wilson reportedly has speed and disposal as weapons in his game.
Is he good enough to crack senior football next season and will Voss have to faith/trust to afford him the opportunity …

 

[Lukeblueboy]

Wilson reportedly has speed and disposal as weapons in his game.
Is he good enough to crack senior football next season and will Voss have to faith/trust to afford him the opportunity …

Exactly, Wilson is one on my list I’d be looking to possibly develop through the midfield. He’s hopefully got that speed we need

 

[TheReal99prelim]

Sides at our level will always want to capitalise on the talent they have to win a flag, but still needs a to be a balanced approach to list management

I suspect we will add both mature players and draftees

Our best move so far, which will benefit short to medium term, was moving on a number of injury prone

Greater continuity and cohesion is one of the most important factors in the game

Cannot be underestimated

Automatically gives the MC 3 more choices for team selection bc of form drop at AFL level, injuries, management of players etc.

 

[The Bighouse]

Exactly, Wilson is one on my list I’d be looking to possibly develop through the midfield. He’s hopefully got that speed we need

Austin drafted him to play midfield for that reason. They need to stay true to playing him there unless we have an AFL grounding as a running back pocket (also in need).

 

[TENACIOUS]

I would not be devastated if we just trade Haynes and take four or five good and strategic draftees. We need KPD progression, dynamic small forward option, ideally classy distributing mid/utility and ideally an elite rebounding type. Would love to find a “bridging” KPD as a rookie to hopefully upgrade Sam Durdin (who remains on the list)

FWIW I don’t agree with the group think that Kempy will be deployed forward. His days in defence are not done, given logical list progression. My preference would be for Kemp to have a “utility” year, being used in every third of the ground at times. Reckon Lemmey should start 2025 playing Key Back in the twos to give us options(hopefully).

How many spots do we get? So far we have not freed up any rookie spots, with Lord replacing Mirkov. Boyd requiring upgrade should create one spot. Hopefully Duffy can replace Akuei on Cat B list rather than take a Cat A spot, or we will have no rookie vacancies. (Unless Durdin and/or M.Carroll is delisted)

Currently only three main list vacancies. Generally accepted J.Carroll and Owies will move on. Then there is the noise around Kennedy and Young.

Currently banking on five vacancies.

Haynes (would prefer genuine KPP, but Nick likely a good mentor and has a bit left)
Lindsay/Berry
Dennis/O’Farrell
Ben Camporeale
Boyd upgrade
Lucas Camporeale (maybe gets to rookie). I am not 100% convinced we find the room for Lucas, although am happy he is good enough.

We are a spot short to get that done(if Chugga and Young stay) For mine we move Orazio to the rookie list to create that room. Or change the Main list/rookie list balance.

That is without all of the rumoured and wish list trades in here.

I am convinced Austin is true to his word and more likely than not to resist pressures from Vossy and others. I can’t see many avenues to be creative and create more list vacancies. We do not have the vacancies or salary cap to make big acquisitions without creating extreme pressures for the foreseeable future.

Not sure I subscribe to the same opinion..

Sorry, but bringing in a 32y has-been in Hayes and some kids, of which x2 FS, which expert recruiters rank mid 30s - rookie, doesn’t do anything for my hope for next year…

Our list has underachieved, when it should be primed for a flag finished 5th & 8th..

Yes, we made a prelim last year. Which was a great result.. Though, we were helped by Sydney and Melbourne choking and Acres defensive brilliance…

Yes, we’ve had injuries.. Though the core group Cripps, Walsh, McKay, Weitering, Curnow, TDK, Acres and Newman played the majority of the year together…

IMO, those in charge overate the list… We have some of the worst small forwards in the comp, a slow midfield and undersized defence…

We have a great opportunity to trade out some players and rejuvenate our list, but looks unlikely…

Hope I’m wrong and we can really contend for the flag next year..

 

[ctwenty1]

Sherry.

Ohhh

 

[TENACIOUS]

Pretty sure there will be players battling to break into their clubs best 22 that we will look at. Konstanty, Stone, Robertson etc that could step up in 2025.

I don’t see any chance SDK happens and also doubt we will get Houston.

The draft is our friend this year imo. 3 picks inside the top 25 along with Haynes, Konstanty, Garcia, Stone and a delisted FA Curtis Taylor would be a good result and not break the salary cap.

Agreed… but we don’t have the list spots for any of them…

 

[blues4flag]

Well, no...not saying that. Of course we'll get a couple of draft picks. But we already have the Campo boys, of which it seems only one is really talented.
So maybe 4 newbs ...and get in a couple of ready made winners.
Every footy player at AFL level works hard!
We've unfortunately made a lot of poor decisions with injury prone talent.

Do you want to throw away the chance for Crippa and all the boys who've worked so hard over how many years?

I don't.
30 years.
I'm not ready to go through another rebuild until we've given all we can to make the most of these next few years.

It's a fallacy that a window remains open for a few years. There's a class divide in the AFL. The likes of Geelong, Sydney, Collingwood, Port are always around the mark, competing in finals. Not selling the farm for a perceived small window of opportunity, but balancing up the now with the future.

We've been predicting the demise of Geelong for a decade, but they spend a year out and go again. They're very strategic in who they target, but it's largely been their kids and mature age recruits that come through that have kept them up.

We have enough elite talent on the list. It might not be the best combination of elite talent, but unlike Essendon, we've got plenty of match winners. Injuries this year to the majority of our quicker runners and small forwards crippled us. We know these are areas of weakness, and need to supplement that. Another strategic selection like Eli or Acres would be great.

We've seen heaps of kids come in and impact in their first 2 seasons. The evident focus on development, the impact of Ollie and Cowan has me hopeful that we're now in a position to properly develop our kids.

We've only had two top 15 selections in 6 years - Walsh and Ollie. An additional 3 in the top 20 - Stocker, Kemp and Philps. Moir, Cowan and Motlop. This isn't the recruiting of a decade ago. Philps aside (crueled by injury), they're all AFL calibre players, and 5 of them projecting as 100+ gamers.

We can't keep ignoring the top of the draft. Can pay a premium for ready made talent but it's only sustainable for so long. Not opposed to Houston at the right price but we need to balance it against young talent coming through, draft capital and salary cap.