Bluemour Season Blast Off Edition XXXIII

[katmanblue]

Pitto approached that contest with his lower leg out to the side so got exposed to potential injury.

Darcy was going in with knee first and his lower leg tucked backwards away from the contest.

Im not saying it was deliberate but I noticed that they approached differently.

Eyes on ball vs eyes on man

 

[katmanblue]

Plot twist: Pittonet was looking at Darcy as well.

I love fiction.

 

[katmanblue]

Only way you eliminate those type of ruck injuries, is to have a basketball style tipoff

Doubt anyone wants that

Surely mirkov win most tips in that case

 

[goreds]

Soon as I hear the word "spate" coming out of the AFL bunker I prep for further change to a game that to be frank, is unrecognisable from the one I fell in love with growing up. Not all change is bad (imagine no OOTF rule - that was 1970) but continual sanitization for the sake of protection from harm (and litigation) is destroying the core concepts of the game.

As I mentioned in another thread, you would remember the old days with 'smart' ruckman that used their hands to manoeuvre their opponent under the ball or protected the drop area. This also protected them from injury. Stynes, Dempsey, Cloke, Moore, J.Madden, Lee, Fitzpatrick all made an art of using hands to advantage and to stop the 'hack' ruckman from jumping in to 'hurt'...

As the best ruckman 'Gawn' said in an interview yesterday, if you put your hand out to protect yourself, you get penalised for a push....

Ridiculous, protect the ruckman, let them use their hands, similar to the hands in the back rule. Use common sense!

 

[Revenant1965]

As I mentioned in another thread, you would remember the old days with 'smart' ruckman that used their hands to manoeuvre their opponent under the ball or protected the drop area. This also protected them from injury. Stynes, Dempsey, Cloke, Moore, J.Madden, Lee, Fitzpatrick all made an art of using hands to advantage and to stop the 'hack' ruckman from jumping in to 'hurt'...

As the best ruckman 'Gawn' said in an interview yesterday, if you put your hand out to protect yourself, you get penalised for a push....

Ridiculous, protect the ruckman, let them use their hands, similar to the hands in the back rule. Use common sense!

Use common sense.... but isn't this the AFL...

 

[bigblueboy]

This is the most sane discussion I've ever seen in this thread. And I'm not being sarcastic.

 

[thylacine60]

As I mentioned in another thread, you would remember the old days with 'smart' ruckman that used their hands to manoeuvre their opponent under the ball or protected the drop area. This also protected them from injury. Stynes, Dempsey, Cloke, Moore, J.Madden, Lee, Fitzpatrick all made an art of using hands to advantage and to stop the 'hack' ruckman from jumping in to 'hurt'...

As the best ruckman 'Gawn' said in an interview yesterday, if you put your hand out to protect yourself, you get penalised for a push....

Ridiculous, protect the ruckman, let them use their hands, similar to the hands in the back rule. Use common sense!

It was formerly such a marvelous skill. The "wrestling ruckmen" was somehow considered unsightly, something we had to eliminate. This is what happens when you retro-sanitize.

 

[Coops93]

I love fiction.

Not sure what it has to do with this though.

Saw a replay this morning that showed he did have an eye on Darcy.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Only way you eliminate those type of ruck injuries, is to have a basketball style tipoff

Doubt anyone wants that

Or simply take away the centre line so the rucks can come in from any angle.

It was brought in in ‘79 after Peter Moore & Gary Dempsey spent 120 minutes hugging each other in the middle of VFL Park.

What annoys me nowadays is ruckman stand on the centre line & then block the other rucks path once the ball goes up.

That’s always a free.

 

[thylacine60]

How feasible would it be to have mandatory knee and shin pads for ruckmen?

padding tends to be unwieldy, bulky and probably inhibits ease of movement...........but if it was doable at all, in a precautionary manner, we'd still have our no 1 ruckman........

 

[thylacine60]

Basketball tip-off? The ruck move Darcy doesn’t want to see, despite PCL injuries

As Collingwood captain Scott Pendlebury called for changes to be made to the centre bounce, former ruck star Luke Darcy said the contest should remain a part of the game.

www.theage.com.au

 

[RPCB]

Not sure what it has to do with this though.

Saw a replay this morning that showed he did have an eye on Darcy.

The broadcast camera showed on the back of Pitto but then a replay showed both ruckman had eyes on each other.

Pittonet does seem to be looking at the ball as it’s bounced and then looks at Darcy, probably bracing for contact.

Blues big man subbed off with knee concern

Carlton ruckman Marc Pittonet comes off the field after this ruck contest with Sean Darcy

www.afl.com.au

 

[OldBlueFan]

Controlling the angle at which two ruckmen approach each other at the bounce is such an obvious and simple adjustment that you can almost guarantee it WON'T be the one that the AFL goes with.

Just on the padding/protector thing, I don't think it protects from the PCL issue. That is caused by one knee impacting the opponent's shin, just below the knee. So the padding/protector stops a bruise or a cork, but it doesn't stop the movement of the lower leg shifting backwards in relation to the knee, which I think is what causes these PCL injuries.

 

[Wickzki]

Basketball tip-off? The ruck move Darcy doesn’t want to see, despite PCL injuries

As Collingwood captain Scott Pendlebury called for changes to be made to the centre bounce, former ruck star Luke Darcy said the contest should remain a part of the game.

www.theage.com.au

I do not want to see this happen in the AFL.

Harder sport than basketball and this isn't all that uncommon. The NCAA stopped doing jump balls (as regularly) and created the possession arrow rule in part due to injuries that occurred because of them.

 

[Chookaradley]

Its a football incident that has probably been happening for over 100 years. Cant believe we are seriously debating this.

 

[Coops93]

How often are the PCL injuries really happening? Is it really a crisis? I don't recall it happening for a long while, it's just unfortunate we got 2 on the same weekend.

I've argued in the past it basically has gone out of the game, you don't really see it that often anymore. Seems like much ado about an unlucky weekend where it happened twice.

 

[ferrisb]

Yep then watch a rise of the giants who are useless around the ground but because they are 18ft tall get to play just for the ruck tap then straight off.

cough MIRKOV! cough

Sorry, excuse me...

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

I do not want to see this happen in the AFL.

Harder sport than basketball and this isn't all that uncommon. The NCAA stopped doing jump balls (as regularly) and created the possession arrow rule in part due to injuries that occurred because of them.

I don't really see a connection in this scenario?
It wasn't one of the two players involved in the tip who got injured. It was after the tip, and the player was injured due to another player falling on their leg.
That type of injury could happen at any time on any part of the court in basketball and similar has happened in AFL.

 

[Accidental genius]

What's wrong with both ruckmen being separated by a < 90 degree arc? They still have a run-up, they can still leverage off the other ruckman. The only thing that changes is that they are not knee-to-knee.

bloody good idea...

it greatly removes the risks associated with a direct style collision

and the spectacle of two ruckman jumping at the contest is retained.

 

[thylacine60]

It would be so AFL to bring in the final straw for the umpires - Rule 40,789,642 Section 4a: The umpires will adjudicate whether or not the ruckman is looking at the ball or the opposition ruckman.

It goes to the video and the umpires gather around the screen:

Ump 1: "He's clearly looking at Pittonet there".
Ump 2: "I don't know, he's sort of flicking between him and the ball".
Ump 3: "You guys are ****en' blind".
Ump 1: "Shut the **** up, Eleni".
Eleni: "That's sexist, Ray".
Ray: "Oh, boohoo".
Goal Ump 1. "Looked from where I was, he was looking at someone in the Olympic Stand".
Ray: "What the **** are you doing here?"
Goal Up 1: "I'm an umpire too!"
Ray: "No you're not. Is a dentist a doctor? No. Go watch The Hangover".
Ump 2: "It's a contentious issue but I think it's like a Doctorate of Dentistry or something like that".
Ray: "**** off".
Boundary Ump 1: "Stay focussed, you peanut. Is he looking at Pittonet or the ball? Better hurry up cause this bloke's ready for burying".

Pittonet writhes in agony on the ground.

Eleni: "I'll just bounce it again".
Ray: "Well there goes the afternoon".
Eleni: "I can bounce!"
Ray: "Ha".

Umpire 2 is peering closely at the screen.

Umpire 2: "Guys".

5 umpires gather closely.

Umpire 2: "KFC 40 Wing Bucket Offer ends tonight".

 

[OldBlueFan]

bloody good idea...

it greatly removes the risks associated with a direct style collision

and the spectacle of two ruckman jumping at the contest is retained.

Yep, which is why it's the one solution the AFL won't implement

 

[OldBlueFan]

How often are the PCL injuries really happening? Is it really a crisis? I don't recall it happening for a long while, it's just unfortunate we got 2 on the same weekend.

I've argued in the past it basically has gone out of the game, you don't really see it that often anymore. Seems like much ado about an unlucky weekend where it happened twice.

As I posted in an earlier comment on this. You're talking about something like 600 opportunities for this to occur during the course of a season. So while it may not happen often, it still happens. And that's an awful lot of potential season-ending injuries for something that doesn't seem that hard to adjust for.

 

[Coops93]

As I posted in an earlier comment on this. You're talking about something like 600 opportunities for this to occur during the course of a season. So while it may not happen often, it still happens. And that's an awful lot of potential season-ending injuries for something that doesn't seem that hard to adjust for.

But does it even happen once every 600 opportunities?

I honestly can't recall the last time it happened aside from the weekend just gone.

 

[ferrisb]

It would be so AFL to bring in the final straw for the umpires - Rule 40,789,642 Section 4a: The umpires will adjudicate whether or not the ruckman is looking at the ball or the opposition ruckman.

It goes to the video and the umpires gather around the screen:

Ump 1: "He's clearly looking at Pittonet there".
Ump 2: "I don't know, he's sort of flicking between him and the ball".
Ump 3: "You guys are fu**en' blind".
Ump 1: "Shut the fu** up, Eleni".
Eleni: "That sexist, Ray".
Ray: "Oh, boohoo".
Goal Ump 1. "Looked from where I was, he was looking at someone in the Olympic Stand".
Ray: "What the fu** are you doing here?"
Goal Up 1: "I'm an umpire too!"
Ray: "No you're not. Is a dentist a doctor? No. Go watch The Hangover".
Ump 2: "It's a contentious issue but I think it's like a Doctorate of Dentistry or something like that".
Ray: "fu** off".
Boundary Ump 1: "Stay focussed, you peanut. Is he looking at Pittonet or the ball? Better hurry up cause this bloke's ready for burying".

Pittonet writhes in agony on the ground.

Eleni: "I'll just bounce it again".
Ray: "Well there goes the afternoon".
Eleni: "I can bounce!"
Ray: "Ha".

Umpire 2 is peering closely at the screen.

Umpire 2: "Guys".

5 umpires gather closely.

Umpire 2: "KFC 40 Wing Bucket Offer ends tonight".

I never want to say bye to this kind of post from Thy...

 

[thylacine60]

carlton always wins the bye.........