Bluemour 'Silly Season' Edition XXXIV

[HaydossJ]

That's the big risk on the table for sure. However I don't think things will change much - match winners in key positions are a rare commodity and take more time to develop etc etc ...not so easily replaceable.

Finals and finals wins and genuine sustainable contention - will see Carlton being able to draw a developed player or two ( if not a match winning type) in areas of need going forward - that is the other factor in how much you have to pay and who might be interested.

eg Cameron to Geelong was a huge coup - same as Buddy to Sydney - despite the 'cost' you do a deal like that without blinking.

I would have like Ollie wines a couple of years ago (or Oliver which was loser than many understand) or Tarranto this year to add proven class to the midfield. William's faux move to midfield duties not woking out ( so far?) was a big disappointment to me.

I'm a tad concerned about Hewett and Kennedy's injuries - we need Carroll/Cuningham/Kemp to come on...

I guess we also have Ed as a last resort option? Let's hope he's not needed, however

 

[Blue__Balls]

Gloating?


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Didn't see the post, but the No Discussion thread is for rumours only, so if your post was just a throwback to an earlier post to essentially say "See, called it" then it doesn't meet the criteria for that thread.

The point of that No Discussion thread is so that when people log in and see it bold and top-of-page they know there's a new rumour to read. It's a bit of a let down when you go in and find it's just a random comment on an old rumour.

 

[King Rupert]

Didn't see the post, but the No Discussion thread is for rumours only, so if your post was just a throwback to an earlier post to essentially say "See, called it" then it doesn't meet the criteria for that thread.

The point of that No Discussion thread is so that when people log in and see it bold and top-of-page they know there's a new rumour to read. It's a bit of a let down when you go in and find it's just a random comment on an old rumour.

My post wasn’t gloating rather reflecting on some the the negative comments I received after I posted about H signing a new contract (essentially calling out the bullies without naming names). I guess if you’re not part of the ‘clique’ then you shouldn’t post on here.


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[NavySteel]

With H locked away for the next 7 years it’s time to hit up the North boards with ridiculous hypothetical trades for Ben grossly undervaluing him to join his brother at Carlton…the poor North fans are on their knees at the moment…I reckon we could break a few of their posters!!!

.....Why not make a sneaky play? Ben has a contract to end of 2023. His trade value is probably at its peak right now for NM.

Will NM go through a mini-rebuild?

Can we throw a start of third-rounder/end of second-rounder and snap up on a $250-$300k contract for three years??

The McKay brothers in the same team could do absolute wonders for Ben.... Like the Scotts, or the Daicos, the McCartins, etc.

Could we??? Worth a punt?

 

[Blue__Balls]

My read of Austin's body language is:
- Happy for Dow to go,
- Not happy with the Setters situation,
- There is something going on in the TDK situation.

Dow - yep, seems that way, he's being given a professional nudge.

Setters - dunno what's given you that impression. He's out of contract, hasn't been offered a contract, is exploring his options, but is a "required player". If we really wanted him, there'd be a contract on the table. That there isn't indicates we're OK with him leaving, and if he doesn't find a home then we'll probably just give him a one-year deal on bugger all and he can reassess in 12 months.

TDK - again, no idea where you've pulled that from. TDK is signed til the end of 2023, and Austin said he's the next player we'll be working on signing up. There's no need for haste from either party.

 

[Michael Jezz]

All good then, we have a sports psychologist like every other side

There is also plenty of research that states team continuity and cohesion is one of the biggest factors to team success

No one denies continuity and a filling list holes are vital. The point is, once you climb the ladder that evens out and it comes down, desire and decision making and culture. The sports Psychologist is a small part of it. It is the human will to win and the pursuit of high performance that dictates whether a player will

• undertake extra training
• eat right
• study an opponent in detail
• will themselves to extra contests
• bare the frustration on fixing skill deficiencies.
• making an effort to bond with team mates
• absorb hard chats that result in productive disagreements.

There is a recent afl study on club culture that correlates high ladder finishes with culture. It would be worth a read

 

[ctwenty1]

My read of Austin's body language is:
- Happy for Dow to go,
- Not happy with the Setters situation,
- There is something going on in the TDK situation.

When was tdk mentioned?

 

[NavySteel]

My post wasn’t gloating rather reflecting on some the the negative comments I received after I posted about H signing a new contract (essentially calling out the bullies without naming names). I guess if you’re not part of the ‘clique’ then you shouldn’t post on here.


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Total respect for calling it early! FWIW I always believed you - too specific to not have truth in it. Kudos to the club for keeping it under wraps without leaks - I think it's the 'new Carlton' way.

No Discussion Bluemours thread is managed really tightly. Sometimes posters like to post 'in jest' or to test the mod's boundaries and many come to this thread and post "RIP" because their posts will be deleted immediately.

Sometimes rumours get posted in this thread and others will quote those posts in the Bluemours thread because it is a rumour. But otherwise, there's no discussion in there. Purely rumours only.

 

[Blue__Balls]

My post wasn’t gloating rather reflecting on some the the negative comments I received after I posted about H signing a new contract (essentially calling out the bullies without naming names). I guess if you’re not part of the ‘clique’ then you shouldn’t post on here.


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Cool cool, but if it was in the No Discussion thread then that's why it would have been removed, because that thread is not for discussion of rumours, just the posting of them.

Any rumour will be met with some doubt/speculation/outright disbelief. I don't mean to sound harsh, but if you can't filter out or ignore randoms on the internet who don't believe you, then just keep your info to yourself and people you know personally. I say that for your benefit, because my preference is for rumours to be posted, but if you're not able to handle the inevitable doubt then it's not worth your while to do so.

Otherwise, take it on the chin, move on, use the "Ignore" feature (hover over a poster's name and hit the ignore button, you'll never see their posts again) and enjoy the better aspects of any online community.

 

[Arr0w]

No one denies continuity and a filling list holes are vital. The point is, once you climb the ladder that evens out and it comes down, desire and decision making. The sports Psychologist is a small part of it. It is the human will to win and the pursuit of high performance that dictates whether a player will

• undertake extra training
• eat right
• study an opponent in detail
• will themselves to extra contests
• bare the frustration on fixing skill deficiencies.
• making an effort to bond with team mates
• absorb hard chats that result in productive disagreements.

As you said, it plays a small and or possibly an equal part to all other important factors to firstly rise, cement, contend and hopefully win a flag

 

[teagueyubeauty]

There is a trove of sports science research that state in professional sport, with small margins, the difference between winning and losing is mental. This is not a game played by robots. It is absurd to ignore the facts

We already have a phsych and Russell is big on the mind games side of the game.

We have it covered, like we have the experience gap covered.

What we don’t have covered is continuity of availability for large parts of the list, it absolutely cruelled us this year.


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[macky99]

My read of Austin's body language is:
- Happy for Dow to go,
- Not happy with the Setters situation,
- There is something going on in the TDK situation.

I believe you are making the wrong assumption, clearly Curnow/Walsh/Mckay are a tier 1 players and would have been 1st priority, don't see anything in that direction at all with TDK, pretty much the same as some people on here making wrong assumptions with Harry not giving Cripps a big hug at the Brownlow medal.

 

[Stamos]

My post wasn’t gloating rather reflecting on some the the negative comments I received after I posted about H signing a new contract (essentially calling out the bullies without naming names). I guess if you’re not part of the ‘clique’ then you shouldn’t post on here.

It's fine to post, just not to post discussion in that thread.

 

[The Bighouse]

Dow - yep, seems that way, he's being given a professional nudge.

Setters - dunno what's given you that impression. He's out of contract, hasn't been offered a contract, is exploring his options, but is a "required player". If we really wanted him, there'd be a contract on the table. That there isn't indicates we're OK with him leaving, and if he doesn't find a home then we'll probably just give him a one-year deal on bugger all and he can reassess in 12 months.

TDK - again, no idea where you've pulled that from. TDK is signed til the end of 2023, and Austin said he's the next player we'll be working on signing up. There's no need for haste from either party.

Think Setters would be around worth. Prob a fair drop in what we’re willing to stump up this time around. See what’s on offer on the outside.

 

[NavySteel]

Dow - yep, seems that way, he's being given a professional nudge.

Setters - dunno what's given you that impression. He's out of contract, hasn't been offered a contract, is exploring his options, but is a "required player". If we really wanted him, there'd be a contract on the table. That there isn't indicates we're OK with him leaving, and if he doesn't find a home then we'll probably just give him a one-year deal on bugger all and he can reassess in 12 months.

TDK - again, no idea where you've pulled that from. TDK is signed til the end of 2023, and Austin said he's the next player we'll be working on signing up. There's no need for haste from either party.

On Setters: Go the M. Kennedy or LOB method...

Earn your stripes to earn your contract. It's worked well in both cases recently and hopefully would work well for Setters too.

 

[rp84]

We already have a phsych and Russell is big on the mind games side of the game.

We have it covered, like we have the experience gap covered.

What we don’t have covered is continuity of availability for large parts of the list, it absolutely cruelled us this year.


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I'm not sure what part of that season made you think we have the mental side of the game sorted.

We've been ridiculed for 20 years about being mentally (and previously physically) soft.

The second half of the season was a slow motion car crash culminating in two terrible losses from almost unlosable positions.

If you think we have the mental part of the game sorted, may I politely suggest you couldn't be further from the truth?

We have an incredibly talented team, and probably should have finished top 6 if we were mentally tough. Injuries were terrible but we we were in almost every game despite them.

The biggest travesty was completely mailing it in against Adelaide and getting smashed by them.

 

[Kernafides]

Essendon are interested in setters

 

[Wickzki]

Well done to our coaches and management on having the ability and warmth to have a genuine sit down conversation with our players, to hear them out, tell them exactly where things sit from the club's perspective, consider how that aligns with the player's own desires and to come together in agreement whichever way the penny drops.

Go well Paddy Dow

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Paddy Dow

Age

25

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

7.1

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.6

4star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

12.4

4star

K

5.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

.

 

[Bletch]

My post wasn’t gloating rather reflecting on some the the negative comments I received after I posted about H signing a new contract (essentially calling out the bullies without naming names). I guess if you’re not part of the ‘clique’ then you shouldn’t post on here.


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Like BB above, I didn't see your post, but if you're claiming that today's announcement somehow validates your earlier posted rumour...

Harry doing Carlton media at Ikon Park yesterday after signing contract extension.

Your claim here was that H was signed 3 weeks ago, and that the press had been briefed. Why are you surprised that some here may have called that out over the past 3 weeks? And how does today's announcement change that? How did that briefing go down - "Hey guys, big announcement for you today, H has signed for 7 extra. But can you hang on reporting that for a few weeks?"

I'm fine if you got mail that H had signed back then, perhaps he did. But there's no way the media was briefed. Sorry if you feel this is "bullying", it's not intended to be (and I don't believe I was one of the earlier posters). But if you're going to post in an online forum, you need to understand that (1) not everyone will agree with you all the time; and, (2) if you make an erroneous claim, expect to be called out on it (hopefully politely).

Anyway, hope you're as thrilled as the rest of us that he's signed up. Great day for the club.

 

[NavySteel]

Essendon are interested in setters

Sauce?

 

[The Bighouse]

Like BB above, I didn't see your post, but if you're claiming that today's announcement somehow validates your earlier posted rumour...

Your claim here was that H was signed 3 weeks ago, and that the press had been briefed. Why are you surprised that some here may have called that out over the past 3 weeks? And how does today's announcement change that? How did that briefing go down - "Hey guys, big announcement for you today, H has signed for 7 extra. But can you hang on reporting that for a few weeks?"

I'm fine if you got mail that H had signed back then, perhaps he did. But there's no way the media was briefed. Sorry if you feel this is "bullying", it's not intended to be (and I don't believe I was one of the earlier posters). But if you're going to post in an online forum, you need to understand that (1) not everyone will agree with you all the time; and, (2) if you make an erroneous claim, expect to be called out on it (hopefully politely).

Anyway, hope you're as thrilled as the rest of us that he's signed up. Great day for the club.

Carlton Media (in-house).

 

[Forty3]

How could the Cats' affords the Bowes salary dump?

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The AFL’s silly season kicks off today. Follow live for all the news and analysis as trade period begins and player movement gets under way in earnest.

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Legacy of an amazing CEO.
Something to look forward to with us.

Sell the ethos, have a standard for all players to understand. Everyone buys in, signs fair contracts and craves success above all else.

Tom Hawkins and Joel Selwood are fantastic examples on this. Hawkins could earn more as an Uber eats driver next year than he will from the cats.

 

[lukep_86]

Thought Setters showed enough to earn at least another year, even more so now with Paddy on the trade table..plus our run of injuries. He's shown glimpses of how good hie best footy is, and was playing well towards the end of the year. Hope he stays but it looks unlikely to happen

 

[skadoosh]

Like BB above, I didn't see your post, but if you're claiming that today's announcement somehow validates your earlier posted rumour...

Your claim here was that H was signed 3 weeks ago, and that the press had been briefed. Why are you surprised that some here may have called that out over the past 3 weeks? And how does today's announcement change that? How did that briefing go down - "Hey guys, big announcement for you today, H has signed for 7 extra. But can you hang on reporting that for a few weeks?"

I'm fine if you got mail that H had signed back then, perhaps he did. But there's no way the media was briefed. Sorry if you feel this is "bullying", it's not intended to be (and I don't believe I was one of the earlier posters). But if you're going to post in an online forum, you need to understand that (1) not everyone will agree with you all the time; and, (2) if you make an erroneous claim, expect to be called out on it (hopefully politely).

Anyway, hope you're as thrilled as the rest of us that he's signed up. Great day for the club.

My interpretation of his post was that Harry was doing some media work for the Carlton Media department (not external Media) ie. doing some sort of interview/photoshoot/video stuff.

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

Essendon are interested in setters

Smart move for a side in their position.