Blues suspend Betts, Houlihan, Walker

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Why would you agree with anybody that is being insincere in their motivations?

Personally, it was a stupid stupid event to organise and participate in, given the whole Fev situation, and anybody that has been found to have done anything wrong has a fine and is being ostracised from the playing group for a spell and will miss out on any possible NAB cup prizemoney. How on earth anybody thinks that the only thing that will send a message to silly footballers in to remove them from real matches so that they can contemplate how their actions weaken the team is beyond me.

Kernhan and Judd both stated that the playing group do not usually have a drinking culture in that they don't regularly drink. When they do they can't handle it and it is more of a binge drinking situation or a reward for training hard that sends a bad message. They have identified the problem, the leadership group has received a dressing down and the example has been made.

It's not as though their transgressions were worthy of a more of a penalty, they simply weren't. The only concern is whether the players will actually get the message, and I doubt that 90% of the posters in this thread really give a damn about that.

 

[Off The Couch]

I would be surprised if any opposition supporter sinking the boot in here has a care factor beyond hoping that an opposition club is weakened in some way during the season.

I have no care factor whatsoever but what amazes me is that literally only weeks after your club trades a star player for his ongoing misdemeanours another group pop up with alcohol related incidents.

As I said earlier, the incidents themselves (apart from handcuffs) are minor and in the normal run of the mill wouldn't warrant much of a suspension - similar to what they have been given (in fact would probably be a bit harsh) but in light of sending Fev on his way you would think SENIOR players with priors, would have been a bit more wary of getting caught up in any crap and they deserved to have the book thrown at them to send once again a very clear message to the younger players that no matter what your status at this club is, you will be punished severely if you step out of line - I don't think this does this.

It is interesting that the hawks copped some backlash from supporters on here in relation to Renouf last season copping only a NAB cup suspension, yet he was a first year player and it was his first incident - not a senior player with priors

 

[MeeSo]

The outrage seems to be that these guys were not suspended for home and away games. Every time something happens at any club, opposition supporters act all concerned about that club's culture and suggest that home and away suspensions will fix the problem.

Let's be honest, you have posters on here who love to hate the Blues, who are having a laugh about our so called weak stance and damage to our brand, who would be having an even bigger laugh if we suspended three more players on top of our already weakened list for the first few rounds.

I would be surprised if any opposition supporter sinking the boot in here has a care factor beyond hoping that an opposition club is weakened in some way during the season.

Bigfooty has never really attracted the best and brightest so it's hardly surprising. Anyone with a reasonable level of intelligence would realise that binge drinking is rife at every club.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

let me reiterate, I'm not one that thinks running amok is a big problem but shouldn't Judd as captain have notified the club that there were some issues on the cruise and they had to return early and be escorted off by security and there may be a shit storm on its way?

How much do we know about what went on aboard the boat? Some boisterous behaviour, some drinking games. Did anybody get assaulted on the boat? Did the staff tell Judd they were going to make a complaint? Was Juddy under the influence also so not really in a position to step back and assess any trouble? He certainly wasn't with Betts, Walker or Houlihan to know what was happening there.

Juddy and the leadership group are guilty of a terrible misjudgment and Kernahan let them know about that. We don't have to reveal the transcript of their dressing down to sate the appetites of garden variety football fans do we?

 

[The Fireman]

Bigfooty has never really attracted the best and brightest so it's hardly surprising. Anyone with a reasonable level of intelligence would realise that binge drinking is rife at every club.

There you have the solution to all our problems right there.........or at least the Carlton solution........."somebody else is doing it" ...

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

There you have the solution to all our problems right there.........or at least the Carlton solution........."somebody else is doing it" ...

Really and I thought the Carlton solution was to trade away the main offender and fine and suspend the others from the preseason cup. You are reading between different lines to me obviously.

I'll leave you to worry about Carlton's culture and practice your pole sliding techniques Fireman. I have to get up early.

 

[MeeSo]

There you have the solution to all our problems right there.........or at least the Carlton solution........."somebody else is doing it" ...

Yes that's exactly what I meant. For any other mental short people out there confused by my post binge drinking, for better or worse, is a part of FOOTBALL culture. Anyone concerned about Carlton's booze cruise beyond the stupidity of Betts, Houlihan and Walker should be equally concerned about their own club. Don't fool yourselves into thinking we are somehow unique.

 

[Spluff]

Did the staff tell Judd they were going to make a complaint?

When the entire club gets ejected from a planned event, you'd have to think something was up.

 

[yaco55]

How much do we know about what went on aboard the boat? Some boisterous behaviour, some drinking games. Did anybody get assaulted on the boat? Did the staff tell Judd they were going to make a complaint? Was Juddy under the influence also so not really in a position to step back and assess any trouble? He certainly wasn't with Betts, Walker or Houlihan to know what was happening there.

Juddy and the leadership group are guilty of a terrible misjudgment and Kernahan let them know about that. We don't have to reveal the transcript of their dressing down to sate the appetites of garden variety football fans do we?

The skipper aborted the trip three hours early.

This suggests that there were problems on the boat - And they weren't players suffering from seasickness.

 

[yaco55]

The media did a good enough job of notifying everybody. Carlton management was not represented on the cruise, so would not have been immediately aware of any incident that occurred thereafter.

The cruise occurred on the 20th but the AFL didn't receive any information from CFC by the 24th, therefore the terse email from the AFL.

This probably falls under the AFL's respect and responsibility policy.

 

[ziad]

let me reiterate, I'm not one that thinks running amok is a big problem but shouldn't Judd as captain have notified the club that there were some issues on the cruise and they had to return early and be escorted off by security and there may be a shit storm on its way?

You have highlighted one of the real problems. No management on board with 18-19 year olds participating doesn't make sense as well.

 

[Jamie007]

..... and none of your players were suspended by the club for the last 4 games of the home and away season and for two finals. Nothing changes at Carlton .... close your eyes and hope it all goes away.

LAst year we suspended 3 players for one match for missing an "in season" training session.. Our players at xmas got drunk on a boat.. If you think they should get 4 weeks suspension from the home and away season for that then yr kidding yrself.. So what yr saying is what our players did was equivelant to what your players did.. None of ours got into a car drunk and smashed it.. Then lied about it.. What your club did was good, as the punishment fit the crime (although didak would have been close to being sacked)... What our club has done to our players is the same..Punishment fits the crime..


Also to address other posts... Its not just Afl clubs or Carlton in particular that have a binge drinking problem.. The whole Country does and its something that even the government have acknowledged and are trying to address.. Why would we think males aged between 17 and 35 who have massive incomes, would be exempt from the rest of society.. Im sure a lot of posters having a go on here are binge drinkers themselves..

 

[mediumsizered]

LAst year we suspended 3 players for one match for missing an "in season" training session.. Our players at xmas got drunk on a boat.. If you think they should get 4 weeks suspension from the home and away season for that then yr kidding yrself.. So what yr saying is what our players did was equivelant to what your players did.. None of ours got into a car drunk and smashed it.. Then lied about it.. What your club did was good, as the punishment fit the crime (although didak would have been close to being sacked)... What our club has done to our players is the same..Punishment fits the crime..

You have summed up exactly why the punishment meted out to Didak & Shaw was so severe. They made Eddie McGuire look like an idiot with their blatant lies about the incident & suffered the consequences. The punishment was not about sending a message to the playing list, more about what happens when you get on the wrong side of McGuire (he has been known to have a liking for 'boning' people).

Didak was very fortunate not to be sacked, given it wasn't his first misdemeanour, but Rhyce Shaw, the most expendable player of the 3 involved, was moved on instead.

You are also right in stating that you can't compare getting into a vehicle & driving when intoxicated, smashing into another car & then lying about it, with getting arrested for being drunk in a public place & getting into a scuffle with a teammate. The punishments handed down by the Carlton Football Club fit the severity of the misdemeanours.

 

[Smoky]

You have summed up exactly why the punishment meted out to Didak & Shaw was so severe. They made Eddie McGuire look like an idiot with their blatant lies about the incident & suffered the consequences. The punishment was not about sending a message to the playing list, more about what happens when you get on the wrong side of McGuire (he has been known to have a liking for 'boning' people).

Didak was very fortunate not to be sacked, given it wasn't his first misdemeanour, but Rhyce Shaw, the most expendable player of the 3 involved, was moved on instead.

You are also right in stating that you can't compare getting into a vehicle & driving when intoxicated, smashing into another car & then lying about it, with getting arrested for being drunk in a public place & getting into a scuffle with a teammate. The punishments handed down by the Carlton Football Club fit the severity of the misdemeanours.

Rhyce Shaw was not moved on - he wanted to leave and get away from the media frenzie that revolves around Victorian footballers/ Collingwood footballers.

 

[Jamie007]

Rhyce Shaw was not moved on - he wanted to leave and get away from the media frenzie that revolves around Victorian footballers/ Collingwood footballers.

Yep.. Just like Fev.. Didnt you hear Wakelin on talk back after a game one night in 2009 say that Shaws attitude around the club stunk.. I have no reason to doubt wakelin..

 

[LondonCalling]

I say we kill one of them, preferably Houlihan as he's the most expendable at this time. Just to keep the rest of the playing list in check.

Have Sticks call a presser tomorrow, start shitting on about something, then out of nowhere, pull out a handgun, and shoot Hoops in the temple from point blank range. Whilst the media and the playing list are getting their shit together trying to realise what just happened, have Sticks strip naked, and start rolling around in the blood and guts, singing Stand By Your Man whilst the rest of the 95 flag side pour Crownies all over him.

I think that seems to be the only fair solution that meets the needs of every internet poster going around at this time unfortunately for Ryan's family.

 

[Jafa]

I say we kill one of them, preferably Houlihan as he's the most expendable at this time. Just to keep the rest of the playing list in check.

Have Sticks call a presser tomorrow, start shitting on about something, then out of nowhere, pull out a handgun, and shoot Hoops in the temple from point blank range. Whilst the media and the playing list are getting their shit together trying to realise what just happened, have Sticks strip naked, and start rolling around in the blood and guts, singing Stand By Your Man whilst the rest of the 95 flag side pour Crownies all over him.

I think that seems to be the only fair solution that meets the needs of every internet poster going around at this time unfortunately for Ryan's family.

Now you are just being silly.

 

[Pie eyed]

You have summed up exactly why the punishment meted out to Didak & Shaw was so severe. They made Eddie McGuire look like an idiot with their blatant lies about the incident & suffered the consequences. The punishment was not about sending a message to the playing list, more about what happens when you get on the wrong side of McGuire (he has been known to have a liking for 'boning' people).

Didak was very fortunate not to be sacked, given it wasn't his first misdemeanour, but Rhyce Shaw, the most expendable player of the 3 involved, was moved on instead.

You are also right in stating that you can't compare getting into a vehicle & driving when intoxicated, smashing into another car & then lying about it, with getting arrested for being drunk in a public place & getting into a scuffle with a teammate. The punishments handed down by the Carlton Football Club fit the severity of the misdemeanours.

The relevant word.