Bombers to field VFL side vs Port

[Pevers-Legend]

Weirdly, the game you did win was in the year we won the premiership.

Rioli tore you to shreds in the middle and Lloyd cleaned up Chad Cornes with one of the best hip and shoulders you'll see. That showed what we were capable of - it also showed we were a crap team that couldn't sustain that sort of level for any number of matches.

 

[SirJimi05]

Rioli tore you to shreds in the middle and Lloyd cleaned up Chad Cornes with one of the best hip and shoulders you'll see. That showed what we were capable of - it also showed we were a crap team that couldn't sustain that sort of level for any number of matches.

That was one of the best hip and shoulders i have seen. From memory Cornes had been paying lip service to Lloyd and a few of the boys so Lloydy decided it was time to shut him up.

 

[Zeke]

This raises an interesting question.

Is any senior game time better than no senior game time for an emerging player?

ie. If Essendon were to get pumped by 100+ points, are the 5 debutants better for the run, purely for the experience, or does the reaming on the field have the potential to set them back?

 

[bomberpride13]

well the port ferals may have the wood on us right now but so did the kangaroos in round one and we smashed them,tho we did have a full side then but hey we are a good chance to beat them....remember they havE the hearbeat of there side out......CHAD my heads so fat CORNES.....

 

[7zark7]

This raises an interesting question.

Is any senior game time better than no senior game time for an emerging player?

ie. If Essendon were to get pumped by 100+ points, are the 5 debutants better for the run, purely for the experience, or does the reaming on the field have the potential to set them back?

Well when Bradley was put on Richo in 2006 he had 9 goals booted on him. That my friend was the end of the Spud Bradleys career.

 

[Pevers-Legend]

This raises an interesting question.

Is any senior game time better than no senior game time for an emerging player?

ie. If Essendon were to get pumped by 100+ points, are the 5 debutants better for the run, purely for the experience, or does the reaming on the field have the potential to set them back?

Who knows in terms of confidence. But in terms of learngin how the best ply their craft - it has to be a good thing - unless you are played terribly out of position ala Kep.

Atkinson will play back pocket, Myers HBf possibly in the middle for a v.brief time, and Darcy will play up forward.

Do that and the kids will be fine. Plus I expect only a 10 goal loss which is not shattering.

 

[SirJimi05]

This raises an interesting question.

Is any senior game time better than no senior game time for an emerging player?

ie. If Essendon were to get pumped by 100+ points, are the 5 debutants better for the run, purely for the experience, or does the reaming on the field have the potential to set them back?

It worked for Hawthorn. I think the Pies also spent a couple of seasons getting flogged whilst they were developing their team?

 

[KingMullet]

Rioli tore you to shreds in the middle and Lloyd cleaned up Chad Cornes with one of the best hip and shoulders you'll see. That showed what we were capable of - it also showed we were a crap team that couldn't sustain that sort of level for any number of matches.

That was the last year Essendon made the finals as well. They beat Port by around 40 points if I remember correctly. Unfortunately I dont see the same thing happening this time round. I think Lee is also injured so thats around a third of the list unavailable.


Think I'll be needing a bit of bourbon to get through Sundays game.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

If they werent carrying so many hacks on their list, they'd have a few more second and third year players to bring through instead of first gamers.

 

[Bollox]

Refresh my memory...apart from Lucas and McVeigh which actual AFL standard players were the Dons missing last week ?

Are they simply replacing depth and VFL players with more depth and VFL players ?

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Refresh my memory...apart from Lucas and McVeigh which actual AFL standard players were the Dons missing last week ?

Are they simply replacing depth and VFL players with more depth and VFL players ?

They have had a couple of reasonably talented but unproven kids missing such as Jetta, Neagle and Dempsey. Bomber fans will tell anybody who wants to listen that they are automatic selections in their best 22, even though they never have automatic selections so far in their careers.

Fletcher will be a massive loss (albeit just for a week) because relaistically they should be dropping Michael, whose career is all but over, but they cant do that because their next best option in defence is Courtney Johns. Their backline is going so badly that Kepler Bradley would get a game for them these days.

 

[SirJimi05]

Refresh my memory...apart from Lucas and McVeigh which actual AFL standard players were the Dons missing last week ?

Are they simply replacing depth and VFL players with more depth and VFL players ?

Define AFL standard. If you are refering to players in our best 22 we will be without approx 8-10 this week. Whether or not they are good enough to get a game at other clubs is not the point, they are in our best 22 and we need them on the park.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Bomber fans will tell anybody who wants to listen that they are automatic selections in their best 22, even though they never have automatic selections so far in their careers..

Didnt take long!!!

 

[Merv]

They have had a couple of reasonably talented but unproven kids missing such as Jetta, Neagle and Dempsey. Bomber fans will tell anybody who wants to listen that they are automatic selections in their best 22, even though they never have automatic selections so far in their careers.

They are automatic inclusions but have suffered from injuries.

Jetta - groin problems after playing the first few games last year in his first year of football and played each game this year until injured.

Neagle - In his third year after last 2 years suffering from stress fractures of his ankles, and a few minor injuries.

Dempsey - Has had continual hamstrings and did 5 last year.

If you are going to continue with your constant bagging of us, at least get it right.

 

[SirJimi05]

They have had a couple of reasonably talented but unproven kids missing such as Jetta, Neagle and Dempsey. Bomber fans will tell anybody who wants to listen that they are automatic selections in their best 22, even though they never have automatic selections so far in their careers.

Fletcher will be a massive loss (albeit just for a week) because relaistically they should be dropping Michael, whose career is all but over, but they cant do that because their next best option in defence is Courtney Johns. Their backline is going so badly that Kepler Bradley would get a game for them these days.

What has ther past got to do with anything? If they are in the best 22 now, they are in the best 22. It is true that we do not have the depth of a team such as the Pies and this is half the problem. Teams with a lack of depth generally struggle when injuries occur.

I agree with you somewhat in regards to Michael. I am not one of the Essendon people who rave on about how good he is and i actually created a thread on the Essendon board questioning his form but i don't think he should be dropped as yet. His form is average but having him in out team is better for our structure. Time will tell if Pears, Ryder and Daniher can develop into good KP players down back and the club may opt to draft a player such as Hurly in this years draft if he is still avaialable.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Refresh my memory...apart from Lucas and McVeigh which actual AFL standard players were the Dons missing last week ?

Are they simply replacing depth and VFL players with more depth and VFL players ?

Lucas
McVeigh
Davey
Dempsey
Jetta
Lonergan
Gumbleton

+ Hislop, Hocking who are better options than Monfries and Dyson

+ Flecther, Rama, Winderlich, Reimers this week.

Guys in bold are definitely part of our best 22. Others debatable. As to AFL standard the only ones you can query on are Dempsey, Jetta and Lonergan but what they have showed so far this year and a bit last is that they are more than capable of playing in this league.

 

[Bollox]

Define AFL standard.

Proven over time to be good enough to get a regular game in the seniors at an AFL club...and be an integral part of the established 22.

So i'm not asking to hear about guys that are VFL players that drift in and out of the Dons 22 simply on their VFL form...i'm talking regular top liners.

I'll ask again...apart from Lucas and McVeigh which actual AFL standard players were the Dons missing last week ?

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

They are automatic inclusions but have suffered from injuries.

Jetta - groin problems after playing the first few games last year in his first year of football.

Neagle - In his third year after last 2 years suffering from stress fractures of his ankles, and a few minor injuries.

Dempsey - Has had continual hamstrings and did 5 last year.

If you are going to continue with your constant bagging of us, at least get it right.

How do you know they are automatic selections when they have played so few games? You just think they are - hope that they will be - but realistically they have insufficient form to say they are always going to be in your first 22.

Why dont you include Andrew Lee in that list? By all accounts he's going to be a star when he gets fit!!!!

 

[Merv]

How do you know they are automatic selections when they have played so few games? You just think they are - hope that they will be - but realistically they have insufficient form to say they are always going to be in your first 22.

Why dont you include Andrew Lee in that list? By all accounts he's going to be a star when he gets fit!!!!

I know they are automatic selections because when they are fit they come straight into the team.
When we had a full team this year both were in the team and Neagle was injured.

Show me one single post on the whole of BF where anyone has said Andrew Lee will be a star?

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Time will tell if Pears, Ryder and Daniher can develop into good KP players down back and the club may opt to draft a player such as Hurly in this years draft if he is still avaialable.

I'd play all of them every week. Ryder will be a star and Pears looks the goods. And Daniher is a Daniher. As soon as Fletcher comes back, you should shove Michael out the front door and change the locks.

 

[bomberstomake8]

They have had a couple of reasonably talented but unproven kids missing such as Jetta, Neagle and Dempsey. Bomber fans will tell anybody who wants to listen that they are automatic selections in their best 22, even though they never have automatic selections so far in their careers.

Fletcher will be a massive loss (albeit just for a week) because relaistically they should be dropping Michael, whose career is all but over, but they cant do that because their next best option in defence is Courtney Johns. Their backline is going so badly that Kepler Bradley would get a game for them these days.

never automatic selections in their career? jetta in 2007 started in round 1 in the firsts. that was when we had pretty much every player on our list to choose from, he did the same this year and started in the midfeild... dempsey aswell started this year in the firsts when we had pretty much every player to choose from. no1 ever says neagle is in our best 22. dont make stuff up.. however other players that have been injured including longeran (started round 1 when we had a full list to choose from and did very well), gumbelton, heath hocking (knights has publicly said a few times he is in our best 22 and would have started round 1 had he been available), alwyn davey (straight forward), lucas (straight forward), Mcveigh (straight forward). even a case for hislop could be argued..

fact is these players are in our best 22 and only someone who knows nothing about the EFC list would say otherwise

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Show me one single post on the whole of BF where anyone has said Andrew Lee will be a star?

There must be a reason why he's still a listed player.

 

[bomberstomake8]

There must be a reason why he's still a listed player.

because he has talent, i would never call him a potential star but he has the potential to be a good afl player if he could stay out on the park and have a good preseason, he will be delisted at the end of the year though, near certainty imo

 

[SirJimi05]

Proven over time to be good enough to get a regular game in the seniors at an AFL club...and be an integral part of the established 22.

So i'm not asking to hear about guys that are VFL players that drift in and out of the Dons 22 simply on their VFL form...i'm talking regular top liners.

I'll ask again...apart from Lucas and McVeigh which actual AFL standard players were the Dons missing last week ?

Have to say that i disagree with you, mate.

To me an AFL standard player is somebody who has the skills and attributes to play AFL football. I certainly don't think they need to be an integeral and established part of the best 22 to be considered AFL standard. Anyway, to directly answer your question and taking your definition into account the following players (AFL standard) will be missing this week:

Lucas
Fletcher
McVeigh
Davey

I am not sure if Davey makes it when taking your definition into account but i think he is definately entrenched in our team and is integeral to our game plan.

Basically we have 4 out of 5 of our most important players out for this weeks game. Take 4/5 most important/integeral players out of any team on any given week and they will struggle to win a game of football, Geelong included. Take Scarlett, Ablett, Bartell, Mooney and Chapman out of Geelong and they will struggle.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

I'd play all of them every week. Ryder will be a star and Pears looks the goods. And Daniher is a Daniher. As soon as Fletcher comes back, you should shove Michael out the front door and change the locks.

You have NFI.

Michael has been great this year and apart from a bad quarter against Fev and match up problems with the Pies he'd be one of the best performed defenders this year.

Seriously, get a clue.