Free Agency Brad Crouch [joins St Kilda as a RFA for pick 23]

[drcollossimo]

You didn’t make a point so we are done here chief. Good luck tomorrow night

Such a condescending statement from a fan of an absolute shit show

Seriously man your club has much bigger problems than if Crouch is band 1 or 2

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

So turns out Geelong offering Crouch about 450k a year according to the Herald Sun. Is that Band 3 or 4?

Lol, that rules out the Cats as Brouch won't be taking a $200K pa pay cut...

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

If you want him, why are you signing him to this 450k deal? It looks as if you want to move him on. Might be wrong there but thats what it looks like from the outside.

Lol, show me where our earlier offer was a $200k pa pay cut.. he was chasing more not less money.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

That'd be about a third rounder according to the AFL compo? Yikes, bloke must be getting the boot if that's all we're offering him.

No, if true just means you are not serious & he either stays on much more than $400k pa or goes to another team.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I'd be happy for him to stay. We're already stacked with draft picks and we need at least some experienced guys for our rebuild. Letting him walk to Geelong for 450k....I mean are any of you really gullible enough to believe that?

Crouch currently on 600k being offered 450k. Cameron on 1m being offered 750k. Both these contracts are pretty well exactly 25% lower than their market value. I'd bet a fair chunk of cash cap is dropping exactly 25%

 

[SaltPeter]

Way to try and avoid the point champ.

Look out .. old mates playing the 'champ' card .. you legend

 

[Drewie11]

Such a condescending statement from a fan of an absolute sh*t show

Seriously man your club has much bigger problems than if Crouch is band 1 or 2

If anyone knows what a shit show is it’s a Port fan so I’ll take that advice on board

 

[Crow till I die]

If you believe Crouch is signing anywhere for $450k a season, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

The idea that any club will land him for this sort of salary and not have to send any picks to the Crows might be the most delusional thing I’ve read in this thread, and that’s saying something.

There are always going to be tyre kickers at every auction. The guide price is around $600-$700k and it has been well advertised. Then a first rumored offer is around $450k which is way below the vendors bid. The current owner then suggests if the team wants to part with way under value that they look at cheaper options like rory atkins who they could get for that money. Or they cpuld come back with a less derisory offer

 

[CatToTheFuture]

There are always going to be tyre kickers at every auction. The guide price is around $600-$700k and it has been well advertised. Then a first rumored offer is around $450k which is way below the vendors bid. The current owner then suggests if the team wants to part with way under value that they look at cheaper options like rory atkins who they could get for that money. Or they cpuld come back with a less derisory offer

In a car purchase I'd agree with that. The problem here is that this is bringing a person into a team. How many successful recruitments start with "welcome to our team and BTW we don't value you"

If the offer truly is in the 400s, which i doubt, then either the cats know the crows are not going to match (remembering band 2 and 3 are effectively the same compo for the crows) or they're not bothering with free agency and it goes straight to trade.

Will be interesting to as what happens

 

[The 747]

There are always going to be tyre kickers at every auction. The guide price is around $600-$700k and it has been well advertised. Then a first rumored offer is around $450k which is way below the vendors bid. The current owner then suggests if the team wants to part with way under value that they look at cheaper options like rory atkins who they could get for that money. Or they cpuld come back with a less derisory offer

It is somewhat striking in this thread the way a player - who is out of contract by the way - is being treated as a possession of the club.

If the Crows want him, then sign him to a contract. Simple.

 

[TryAnHit]

Crouch currently on 600k being offered 450k. Cameron on 1m being offered 750k. Both these contracts are pretty well exactly 25% lower than their market value. I'd bet a fair chunk of cash cap is dropping exactly 25%

So then all bands would be expected to drop 25%?

That seems logical right

 

[Carl]

Only way the cap will drop by 25% is if it's across the board. So Crouch will still want $600k which he is worth.

I wouldn't be surprised if the AFL keep the cap the same and freeze it for 5 years. That way any money borrowed to pay the players can be payed off in years to come.

So realistically what do Adelaide fans think an uncontracted Crouch is worth pick wise? He isn't going to get you band 1 and you would rightly match any offer.

 

[gurty]

As a minor contributor to this forum and Geelong supporter , does any one else see the similarity between this thread and the kelly thread of last year where it starts as information the descends into arguments between wallys who are arguing from their perceived clubs self interest rather than any idea of what they are talking about ?

 

[Lore]

As a minor contributor to this forum and Geelong supporter , does any one else see the similarity between this thread and the kelly thread of last year where it starts as information the descends into arguments between wallys who are arguing from their perceived clubs self interest rather than any idea of what they are talking about ?

Welcome to BigFooty I suppose. There are always at least 2-3 threads on this board that go bezerk for about 6 weeks straight. Before Kelly it was Coniglio and Gaff, before that, Shiel, and O'Meara. And plenty of others besides.

 

[TylerDurden]

200 pages on this bloke. He'll probably stay in the end. No way he's getting the coin he wants, and Adel getting the pick they want. Move on.

 

[Lore]

So then all bands would be expected to drop 25%?

That seems logical right

Compensation bands are a percentage of players based predominantly on average annual base salary. They would be proportional regardless of the salary cap. I.e. Top 5% of salaries (~15 players) over the age of 25 fall into Band 1.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

So then all bands would be expected to drop 25%?

That seems logical right

Except bands aren't calculated on cap. They're calculated as a ranking on current contracts. Even if you did wind it down linearly that's still equiv to a 600k contract for band 2. May as well be band 3 for a pick 2 picks later

 

[Kezza86]

If Brad tells the bidding club that he is leaving the Crows regardless then the matching threat becomes quite hollow.

I can't see a club doing a trade in that scenario.

They will just say to the Crows you get end of first compo or you get nothing and the upper hand in negotiations is reversed.

Then will be selected in PS draft. He won’t be able request more than what had been originally offered.

 

[Crow till I die]

It is somewhat striking in this thread the way a player - who is out of contract by the way - is being treated as a possession of the club.

If the Crows want him, then sign him to a contract. Simple.

He is being treated as such because he still is unless he ends up in the draft or a suitable transaction takes place for him to move clubs.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

So then all bands would be expected to drop 25%?

That seems logical right

To also add some complicating factors, consider some clubs will manage cap by extending currently contracted players for less than they otherwise would. So are their contracts multiplied by 0.75? Are they getting contracts for more or less than they were before? How do you measure that? Do you exclude contracts signed after the freeze? If so what do you do next year with a mix? What about those signed after the freeze but before the cap specifics were known? Are you adjusting those contracts based on the guesses made by the contracting parties? None of that can even be measured so how can you factor it?

There's no clean way to do this. If the afl made a change to the way FA compo is calculated they would have to basically write a whole new system. They'd also be doing this to bridge a divide that will last maybe 2 trade periods before self-levelling.

They have not made any changes the whole time it has been going up, including not changing it in the year cap went up 20% giving clubs a massive amount of cash to throw at players in a year that the compo would be measured against lesser contracts and thereby net higher compensation than those same contracts would today (protip: that was Rockliffs FA year which is the main reason his contract is a really bad comparison). If they didn't change it when it was going up why would they change it when it's going down? The whole point is that it's self-levelling

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Then will be selected in PS draft. He won’t be able request more than what had been originally offered.

So the crows push him out the door then draft him? Bold move

 

[TryAnHit]

To also add some complicating factors, consider some clubs will manage cap by extending currently contracted players for less than they otherwise would. So are their contracts multiplied by 0.75? Are they getting contracts for more or less than they were before? How do you measure that? Do you exclude contracts signed after the freeze? If so what do you do next year with a mix? What about those signed after the freeze but before the cap specifics were known? Are you adjusting those contracts based on the guesses made by the contracting parties? None of that can even be measured so how can you factor it?

There's no clean way to do this. If the afl made a change to the way FA compo is calculated they would have to basically write a whole new system. They'd also be doing this to bridge a divide that will last maybe 2 trade periods before self-levelling.

They have not made any changes the whole time it has been going up, including not changing it in the year cap went up 20% giving clubs a massive amount of cash to throw at players in a year that the compo would be measured against lesser contracts and thereby net higher compensation than those same contracts would today (protip: that was Rockliffs FA year which is the main reason his contract is a really bad comparison). If they didn't change it when it was going up why would they change it when it's going down? The whole point is that it's self-levelling

I mean the AFL still not told us right? As per list sizes it is crazy clubs do not know yet.
Surely is cap drops by 25% then every player contract goes down by 25% to fit into the new cap.... but who knows what will happen.

Hard for all these clubs to plan when they are walking blind.

 

[Turbocat]

No, if true just means you are not serious & he either stays on much more than $400k pa or goes to another team.

If we try nut this out ... if Geelong are still linked to him .. after geelong have met with him and presented etc... then what ever geelong have offered must be acceptable. What that is ..? we only know what has been reported. I think its fair to say that its probably inaccurate but is it 400 away from being inaccurate?

Every thing I have read in here said his preference was to stay in SA .. so I cant see why he moves if our offer is within the range you would be willing to pay.

If he now is not happy to stay it changes a bit ..but till that is fact ..he signs again for the Crows.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I mean the AFL still not told us right? As per list sizes it is crazy clubs do not know yet.
Surely is cap drops by 25% then every player contract goes down by 25% to fit into the new cap.... but who knows what will happen.

Hard for all these clubs to plan when they are walking blind.

Yeah the problem there is that can't just blanket factor down all individual contracts, they have to be negotiated one by one. You won't get all of them agreeing and they won't neatly fall into an order. I don't see any way you could factor down the compo calc either without making everything far more complicated.

The afl would be out of their minds to release the details during finals. If it's in any way bad news it will be the overriding narrative for media during coverage of their most important games. They have to wait until the season is over, that way casual fans will have stopped listening.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

well considering the number of picks we already have (incl the Atkins compo to come) and that we are likely still low on the ladder next year and will have more good picks, I'll take 80 games from B Crouch who is our current best mid than a punt on a mid 20's pick which is where a band 2 or 3 will end up

You might not have the choice

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