laminex
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Are you joking, we won the trade hands down. Fev is great and i love him but the fact is he is our oldest player. If and its a big if Hendo can become half the player Fev was then we have won no matter what.
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News Bradshaw quits the Lions
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laminex
Go Blues.
What a waste of picks for players who might give us 1 or 2 years, we still need to pick for the future. offer Bradshaw good money and get him in the PSD or not and forget him. He is just cream on a cake.
laminex
Go Blues.
Ok it is very simple mate you guys have a new contract with Fev nothing to do with Carlton, we are paying 0 of the money for you to house him and feed him.
new contract the old one has been torn up.
I would be surprised if Bradshaw went to Sydney. It is highly unlikely they will play finals in the next 2-3 years, so Bradshaw would be finishing his career on a low note.
Sydney lost 6 of their last 8 games in 2009, with the 2 wins in that period coming over Melbourne & Richmond. Among those 6 losses was a 10 goal smashing by us, despite Jessie White & Ryan O'Keefe having big games. There was nothing in those games to suggest the next group of young players is ready to step up.
There is nothing to suggest that Bradshaw's inclusion would improve the Swans line-up, because their problems lie on other parts of the ground than their forward line, not the least being the loss of Jolly, with Seaby & Mumford being relied on to fill that hole. Their midfield is slow, although one of the hardest working in the competition. Unfortunately hard-working midfields aren't good enough in the modern game. They also need a bit of pace & a touch of class (see Geelong).
Bradshaw may not end up at Carlton, but the only reason he would end up in Sydney is because Roos & co are unwilling to bottom out to enable a proper rebuild of the playing list in the near future & will try and sell Bradshaw an imaginary vision.
Surely there is some need for experience too, would it not be handy to have guys like Bradshaw and Russel Robertson around the club, especially if Nick Stevens were to retire...
If Bradshaw gets to us in the PSD then great. If not, it's no big deal, we'll just develop the current talent we have. Shouldn't be considering wasting draft picks on him though. Also not a fan of Robertson. Bradshaw is a very good forward who stands up in big games, Robertson is a medium forward who doesn't. Better option would be to get KP forward gametime into young players like Kruezer, Henderson and Pick 12. 
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well said we are the big winners out of this as a club and that is what it is all about we are growing stronger all the time
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Word on the street is that Carlton are willing to upgrade their offer to a three year $1.3 million offer with $750k being paid in the first year. This prices out everyone but the Sydney Swans.
Sydney are said to want him desperately. However, because of their position of not being able to contend for a premiership in the time frame that is the remainder of Bradshaw's career he is hesitant in going there.
So it's pretty much either Carlton or Sydney. Sydney get him against his wishes or he goes to Carlton because of the first year salary.
I wonder if the front loaded contract hinges on the AFL's take on Stevens' injury.
Sydney are said to want him desperately. However, because of their position of not being able to contend for a premiership in the time frame that is the remainder of Bradshaw's career he is hesitant in going there.
So it's pretty much either Carlton or Sydney. Sydney get him against his wishes or he goes to Carlton because of the first year salary.
I wonder if the front loaded contract hinges on the AFL's take on Stevens' injury.
The whole thing seems a bit odd.I thought he wanted to move back to Victoria??? Why would anybody in his situation,family man with 4 kids move to Sydney for three years just for the money when he could get a decent wage in Victoria by a few clubs and then uproot again and move back to Victoria after the three years to settle back home????I guess if he ends up at the Swans, we'll be forcing them to pay him a lot. A bit of justice after the terrible way the Lions treated the guy.
The whole thing seems a bit odd.I thought he wanted to move back to Victoria??? Why would anybody in his situation,family man with 4 kids move to Sydney for three years just for the money when he could get a decent wage in Victoria by a few clubs and then uproot again and move back to Victoria after the three years to settle back home????
I suspect the main reason he left was to get away from the Lions. Pretty hard to play for a coach after what Voss did to him. Plus with Fev on board, he'll struggle to play forward. Smart move on his part. Lions are the big losers out of this.
Oh yeah i totally agree and understand that part its the rest dont get.I suspect the main reason he left was to get away from the Lions. Pretty hard to play for a coach after what Voss did to him. Plus with Fev on board, he'll struggle to play forward. Smart move on his part. Lions are the big losers out of this.
tancas
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OK maybe I should rephase the qustion.
Do you think Carlton is closer to winning a flag in 2010 than you were in 2009?
In other word's do you feel your team has gone forward on the field (not off) or backward's?
I know getting rid of Fev was good for the club and I do feel you guys got a good deal, although I think it's a win-win, you will be better off long term, but we are better off short term.
The question is whether Carlton supporter's are happy with there club's direction.
I am a very happy lion's supporter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you think Carlton is closer to winning a flag in 2010 than you were in 2009?
In other word's do you feel your team has gone forward on the field (not off) or backward's?
I know getting rid of Fev was good for the club and I do feel you guys got a good deal, although I think it's a win-win, you will be better off long term, but we are better off short term.
The question is whether Carlton supporter's are happy with there club's direction.
I am a very happy lion's supporter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'll tell you how I honestly feel. I was one of Brendan's biggest supporters. Loved him to death and will always cheer for him, except when he's playing Carlton.
However, having said that, there was a strong possibility that with the strength of the other clubs presently (namely the Western Bulldogs, Geelong, St Kilda and Adelaide) that Carlton was never going to win a premiership in the next two, maybe three years which is the window of opportunity that Fevola presented to the Carlton Football Club (namely his prime). I believe Brendan Fevola from 2009 is the best that Brendan will ever be, the pinnacle of his AFL career. While I'm not anticipating a quick tail off from this point on I believe his play will begin to deteriorate from this point on slowly, but that he will have two, maybe three near All Australian years left.
The way that the Carlton forward line was this year with such a heavy reliance on one forward that it was not conducive to premiership football. Carlton also have a large number of small forwards, midfielders and running defenders that are capable of scoring 10-25 goals plus in a season (Eddie Betts tops out the list with 40-45 goal per year capability, perhaps Waite if used in the forward line has the ability to score 50+). The way that we used Fevola limited the opportunities that these players had in scoring goals. Simply put, I don't believe that premierships and Brendan Fevola at Carlton were a plausible theory. Had Carlton altered their attacking plan to the point that it was conducive to premiership football then I believe Fevola may have become a similar situation to Terrell Owens and the Dallas Cowboys. In that Fevola knew that he was ALWAYS the number one target (much too often) and that to change the game plan would mean that his role would decrease significantly. Whether or not he would ever have been accepting of that is neither here nor there and we'll never know. However, it had the possibility of not being a tenable situation. Carlton did the wise thing (even without the off-field dramas and Brownlow Medal night) and traded him at his high point for maximum value (which I believe they got).
The trade for Fevola saw Carlton get a player that fits right into the plans going forward. A young player with the ability to be a superstar of the competition and a first round pick that could possibly land Carlton another player in that age mix who can be a part of a much larger premiership window.
I believe Carlton had all their eggs in the Brendan Fevola basket. Now that we've traded him we're open to an entirely new direction where a lot of the pressure is off of everyone. Most recent premiership sides haven't had a champion full forward for the reasons I state above. I believe Carlton has the premier young midfield (born 1986 and younger) in the competition. I believe that we will have opportunity to win the premiership at least once, if not two or three times in what remains of Chris Judd's career.
Purely on the short term, say 2010, I don't believe that the Carlton Football Club was a premiership contender with Fevola. Certainly I don't believe we are now. However, long term, I believe we strengthened our core to the point where I would be disappointed if by the start of the 2019 AFL season (so 10 full years from now) Carlton had not added two premierships to the trophy case.
Finally, I don't believe even with all of the additions that Brisbane is in the class of a Geelong or a St Kilda. In my opinion they're still a class below that of the Western Bulldogs. They're marginally (very marginally) ahead of where Collingwood is. To lose Bradshaw for basically nothing (even if you land a player in the PSD of solid calibre) has the potential of hurting you FAR more than adding Fevola ever did. To complicate things the fact that you gave up a potential star key position player AND your first round pick to get Fevola make things worse. Everybody understands why Bradshaw walked out on the Lions and it had nothing to do with money. It was a slap in the face for all of his years of hard work. Your president, board and coaching staff may say that Brisbane has a positive culture but with Bradshaw walking away it gives away the true identity of the Brisbane Lions Football Club and believe me, it needs as much work as our club ever did.
Great post mate
Sensational post Ytoojae! Sums up the situation perfectly IMO.
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/swans-to-swoop-on-bradshaw/story-e6frf9jf-1225787879523
looks like his going to Sydney boys and girls...
looks like his going to Sydney boys and girls...
Then we save the salary cap space for the best up and coming midifeld in the next few years
If I were you I'd probably not be so smug as you aint got him either.....or Henderson, or your first round pick
Yet in this article from yesterday's Hun, "Carlton are the favourites to lure him south..."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/daniel-bradshaw-quits-brisbane-lions/story-e6frf9jf-1225787618590
Where Bradshaw will end up is anyone's guess, but in the meantime the Hun will get a fair bit of mileage from this story.
What 30 year old footballer with a few injuires wouldnt go to a club thats going to offer a 3 year deal worth more than 1.5 mill???
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One of the most balanced and rational posts I've read on BF ... well done Ytoojae.
I wonder if Daniel has considered he has about 3 years left in the game and one of his suitors has the best young midfield in the comp and highly likely to be playing finals in those 3 years and the other exists in an NRL market
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