List Mgmt. Brady Rawlings | Head of Football Talent (Recruitment, LM & TPP)

[Sillygit]

He absolutely is. The laughing stock of the competition.

really? cause im thinking most others are laughing at the melts more than anything

 

[apollo_creed]

rf08 has a decent history of inside info so maybe, just maybe it’s fairly close to the mark judging by Rawlings absolute shitshow trading history.

But hey, you keep believing he’s done everything right.

It’s why we’ve been flying the last five years.

The funniest thing is if you said to
the same poster Rawlings was offering what he did (and was accepted) he would call you delusional. Before the fact of course. After the fact… everything Rawlings does and has done is perfect. Imagine so proudly fondling the balls of someone who is significantly responsible for our club being a pile of shit at the moment.

 

[Kangas_11]

What determines "the current value of a player"?

I would have thought its how much a team needs him, how much they're prepared to pay and what they're prepared to sacrifice.

Also, surely list management is all about projections and forecasting, in terms of working out whether they'll be able to get the most out of a prospective player, and whether they'll suit the team's culture and gamestyle.

I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but the bolded can also be interpreted as how desperate is the team that's trying to trade for them as well.

Player value should be measured on form, age, wages and need. If you only consider need and disregard the other factors, you end up overpaying.

 

[apollo_creed]

really? cause im thinking most others are laughing at the melts more than anything

Referring to unbiased football fans not Rawlings ball strokers/hero worshippers.

 

[Sillygit]

Referring to unbiased football fans not Rawlings ball strokers/hero worshippers.

for one, unbiased football fan is the biggest oxymoron i've seen in a long while.

but also lol hero worshiping, is that replacing apologist? good to keep your routine fresh.

 

[The Nostradamus]

The evidence is what we needed to do to get the pick back that we lost in the trade.

Getting Daniel was never going to be most important part of the trade / draft period for us. Pick 2, our F1 and what we did with them was always the main game. The Daniel trade was a mistake because losing our second rounder limited our ability to maximise the value of these two picks. We let a minor deal limit our options for our more important assets and it cost us.

100% this

handicapped ourselves just so we could bring in caleb daniel

 

[DesertRoo]

If Caleb Daniel makes the 2025 All-Australian squad, do we get to revise the "catastrophic" rating of his trade?

Or are the value of individual trades utterly separate from the business of actual football.

He made the AA squad playing as a forward/mid, the doggies moved him back because they needed him behind the ball.
chuck him forward watch boomer mark 2 flourish.

 

[hilly]

My favourite part of all of this is people struggling to comprehend between a bad trade ‘optically’ vs a straight up bad trade.

IF we pulled the straight trade at 11 and picked Whitlock you’d be calling Brady a star for finally addressing our needs. We make the same pick at 27 AND get pick 19 for next year and everyone melts.

If people also haven’t figured it out yet - the second rounders are going to be so valuable next year for a few reasons:

1. 10-12 top end academy/father sons
2. Teams need to slide back - they won’t have the assets to jump in front of bids in the first round.
3. You can’t just stockpile picks in the 40s now

SO: you can bookmark it - our 2 seconds will be on the table IF we want to get back in. IF we do, we will have pick 6-12 you can absolutely take it to the bank.

You're discounting the fact that a player available at pick 27 has been overlooked 26 times.

 

[BlueandWhiteinmyBlood]

Let me preface this by saying this information has come to me 3rd hand. But if it’s true, it makes the F1 deal look even worse.

During the trade period Richmond offered 11 & one of their 2nd round picks for our F1 and Current 4th round pick. We held our ground because we thought there would be better offers….on draft night we went to Richmond and wanted the same deal they said no, because they were really keen to get those talls on their list.

By holding out thinking we were going to get a better deal we essentially cost ourselves a top 15 pick.

Rawlings ability to negotiate fair value is genuinely shit, and it’s costing us far too much in terms of opportunities lost at both the draft table and the trade table.

Isn’t that pretty much what we did though and saved ourselves the fourth round pick, not that it’s much of a saving. Say we did do that trade, wouldn’t we have only gotten Whitlock at that pick anyway?

 

[The Brady Bunch]

Referring to unbiased football fans not Rawlings ball strokers/hero worshippers.

That's funny. There are only two types of people - Rawlings hero worshippers and unbiased football fans.

It's like saying America is divided between Democrats and perfectly reasonable people who simply love their country.

The divisions you create expose your bias.

 

[WesternRoo]

Thinking about this over the last couple of days, I’m not sure how Brady or whoever was behind this trade period and draft (outside of Clarko) could survive.

Melbourne (who everyone would think will finish above us) achieved pick 9 (11) for their future first.

There is also a seemingly credible rumour that Richmond offered us 11 (13) and their second rounder pre draft for our future first and third.

We trade in Daniel, who is turning 29 and the Dogs pretty much wanted out and to dump his salary for 25 (29) only to see J Whitlock , Shanahan , Gerryn and Barrat fall in the next 5 or so picks.

There is a lot of smoke around Matt Whitlock being rated by us as a top 15 pick etc. I hear this every year and given good recruiting teams didn’t see it that same, I think it holds little water.

It’s irrelevant anyway.

If the Richmond pre-draft offer is true, we could have walked away with O’Sullivan, Trainor/Berry and or the Whitlock Twins. That’s not factoring in us trading up a place for Tauru with St Kilda.

I’m just not sure how this can be justified at all and how this won’t be the end for those involved. It has to be the final straw from years of this incompetence.

 

[DocSholl]

The Dees got that deal done because they had a bunch of picks this year * could use for Kako points.

 

[The Brady Bunch]

Thinking about this over the last couple of days, I’m not sure how Brady or whoever was behind this trade period and draft (outside of Clarko) could survive.

Melbourne (who everyone would think will finish above us) achieved pick 9 (11) for their future first.

There is also a seemingly credible rumour that Richmond offered us 11 (13) and their second rounder pre draft for our future first and third.

We trade in Daniel, who is turning 29 and the Dogs pretty much wanted out and to dump his salary for 25 (29) only to see J Whitlock , Shanahan , Gerryn and Barrat fall in the next 5 or so picks.

There is a lot of smoke around Matt Whitlock being rated by us as a top 15 pick etc. I hear this every year and given good recruiting teams didn’t see it that same, I think it holds little water.

It’s irrelevant anyway.

If the Richmond pre-draft offer is true, we could have walked away with O’Sullivan, Trainor/Berry and or the Whitlock Twins. That’s not factoring in us trading up a place for Tauru with St Kilda.

I’m just not sure how this can be justified at all and how this won’t be the end for those involved. It has to be the final straw from years of this incompetence.

Seriously, who do you think is firing Brady when everyone within the club was in agreeance with the trade and draft strategy? Do you think there will be some citizens united gathering with pitchforks? Or maybe turn up to the AGM next month and overthrow the board?

 

[The Nostradamus]

Thinking about this over the last couple of days, I’m not sure how Brady or whoever was behind this trade period and draft (outside of Clarko) could survive.

Melbourne (who everyone would think will finish above us) achieved pick 9 (11) for their future first.

There is also a seemingly credible rumour that Richmond offered us 11 (13) and their second rounder pre draft for our future first and third.

We trade in Daniel, who is turning 29 and the Dogs pretty much wanted out and to dump his salary for 25 (29) only to see J Whitlock , Shanahan , Gerryn and Barrat fall in the next 5 or so picks.

There is a lot of smoke around Matt Whitlock being rated by us as a top 15 pick etc. I hear this every year and given good recruiting teams didn’t see it that same, I think it holds little water.

It’s irrelevant anyway.

If the Richmond pre-draft offer is true, we could have walked away with O’Sullivan, Trainor/Berry and or the Whitlock Twins. That’s not factoring in us trading up a place for Tauru with St Kilda.

I’m just not sure how this can be justified at all and how this won’t be the end for those involved. It has to be the final straw from years of this incompetence.

it all comes down to overpaying for daniel when we shouldn't have

we walk away from that deal and it opens up so many more possibilities

 

[Makeshift Park]

Melbourne (who everyone would think will finish above us) achieved pick 9 (11) for their future first.

Everyone applauds this deal but in reality the jury is still out.

Melbourne lost their future first, Neale-Bullen, Grundy, their own second rounder, and another third rounder, and what they got was Xavier Lindsay.

People would be calling for Brady to be hung drawn and quartered for doing that.

 

[hilly]

Everyone applauds this deal but in reality the jury is still out.

Melbourne lost their future first, Neale-Bullen, Grundy, their own second rounder, and another third rounder, and what they got was Xavier Lindsay.

People would be calling for Brady to be hung drawn and quartered for doing that.

Grundy was end 2023. Interesting that you said 'Xavier Lindsay' and not pick 9.

 

[Sillygit]

he definiely should be fired based on something that MIGHT have happened.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Grundy was end 2023. Interesting that you said 'Xavier Lindsay' and not pick 9.

Grundy was done for a pick in the late 40s and a future second.

That future second was used in the * deal that landed Lindsay.

Why interesting? The pick means nothing. Its the player that counts.

 

[DocSholl]

Comparing our trading to Melbourne's isn't going to end well

 

[Makeshift Park]

Comparing our trading to Melbourne's isn't going to end well

Trading a second rounder for Grundy when they already had Gawn was worse than us paying an F2 for CCJ because at least we got 2 third rounders back.

 

[koshari]

Trading a second rounder for Grundy when they already had Gawn was worse than us paying an F2 for CCJ because at least we got 2 third rounders back.

But they got grundy that was a commodity they could trade later. We got ccj.

 

[DocSholl]

Trading a second rounder for Grundy when they already had Gawn was worse than us paying an F2 for CCJ because at least we got 2 third rounders back.

You can at least understand why they did it though, it just didnt work out. The CCJ trade on the other hand was a stinker at the time and one of many examples of Rawling being a poor and shortsighted negotiator.

 

[Makeshift Park]

But they got grundy that was a commodity they could trade later. We got ccj.

That commodity only netted them a third rounder from the Swans.

We got two third rounders and a VFL player in CCJ.

Winning!!

 

[perplexed]

Everyone applauds this deal but in reality the jury is still out.

Melbourne lost their future first, Neale-Bullen, Grundy, their own second rounder, and another third rounder, and what they got was Xavier Lindsay.

People would be calling for Brady to be hung drawn and quartered for doing that.

Essendon did ridiculously well out of that deal.

They turned pick 9 into Melbourne's F1 (which could be top 4), Gerryn, Clark, and enough points for Kako.

 

[apollo_creed]

That's funny. There are only two types of people - Rawlings hero worshippers and unbiased football fans.

It's like saying America is divided between Democrats and perfectly reasonable people who simply love their country.

The divisions you create expose your bias.

What bias? Objectively and by every metric and assessable criteria it’s a horrible, horrible unbalanced trade. My only criteria here is improving the club and accountability. Results speak for themselves. You have nothing.

If you have somehow convinced yourself that it was a good trade then I have a flat earth to talk to you about.