Brendan Fevola Trade Thread

[HFF]

Re: Fev trade

Ben Reid is untouchable IMO. We don't have any genuine young key defenders (only Nathan Brown) and with Presti on his last legs he is a required player.

As for the "word on the street" about a straight swap for Dawes, I would do that in a heartbeat. Not that I don't rate Dawes but just for the fact we get to keep draft picks.

 

[skeetz]

Re: Fev trade

I'm a little surprised that the Caff's name hasn't been thrown around. He's played in our seniors more recently than Dawesome has and could possibly compliment the Kruz in the F50 (if Warnock ever gets on the park to assume rucking duties) quite well.
A player like Kruzer (and Fraser) is wasted in the center square IMHO. The benefit of having them start in the middle no where near outwieghs the risk of being involved in the bash and crash, and subsequent toll on the body that occurs.

 

[juvepie]

Re: Fev trade

I'm a little surprised that the Caff's name hasn't been thrown around. He's played in our seniors more recently than Dawesome has and could possibly compliment the Kruz in the F50 (if Warnock ever gets on the park to assume rucking duties) quite well.
A player like Kruzer (and Fraser) is wasted in the center square IMHO. The benefit of having them start in the middle no where near outwieghs the risk of being involved in the bash and crash, and subsequent toll on the body that occurs.

Not the type of player Carlton want.

 

[skeetz]

Re: Fev trade

Not the type of player Carlton want.

Well they should, he's great

 

[mattys123]

Re: Fev trade

Just had to link this article, the closing paragraph is either hilarious or just utterly stupid.

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/blues-draw-a-line-in-the-sand/2009/09/30/1253989953860.html

Fevola still might not change for the better. But, at the least, the very public stance the club has taken this time has sent a message to the rest of the playing group - that the Carlton Football Club won't take the same short steps, or compromise its values, any longer.

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/blues-draw-a-line-in-the-sand/2009/09/30/1253989953860.html

What message have Carlton sent, that they ares till ****ing with the rest of the competition, and that they probably wont trade Fev anyway.

So far no message has been sent, one of the worst paragraphs written by a so called "professional" ever.

 

[Whyte Line Feva]

Re: Fev trade

I've seen alot of posts saying we don't need a full forward with the calibre of brendan fevola to win a premiership. We don't need a full forward to kick 60+ goals a year.

Thought i'd do a little research.

2009 - Geelong - Mooney 46, Johnson 40, Chapman 37, Hawkins 34,
2008 - Hawthorn - Franklin 113, Roughead 75, Williams 46
2007 - Geelong - Mooney 67, Johnson 49, N.Ablett 34
2006 - West Coast - Lynch 65, Embley 31
2005 - Sydney - Hall 80, O'Loughlin 52, N.Davis 38
2004 - Port Adelaide - Tredrea 81, Motlop 34
2003 - Brisbane - A.Lynch 78, Bradshaw 30
2002 - Brisbane - A.Lynch 74, Bradshaw 38
2001 - Brisbane - A.Lynch, 58, Bradshaw 46, Brown 38
2000 - Essendon - Llyod 109, Lucas 57

and Collingwood in the same years..

2009 - Anthony 50, Davis 35
2008 - Medhurst 50, Cloke 34, Davis 32
2007 - Rocca 54, Cloke 37, Davis 31
2006 - Rocca 55, Didak 41
2005 - Caracella 34, Medhurst 27
2004 - Medhurst 41, Rocca 27
2003 - Medhurst 50, Rocca 45
2002 - Rocca 38, Fraser 37, Medhurst 36
2001 - Rocca 42, Holland 28
2000 - Cummings 47, Caracella 35

Can you honestly tell me we don't need a proven full forward who is guaranteed to improve our forward line. The proof is there, we don't kick enough goals or have a dominate enough forward to win a flag.

Fevola will get the best defender and still kick 70 + goals and it will be a domino effect, Cloke then gets the 2nd best defender releasing him back to his copeland trophy winning form and Jack Anthony then gets the 3rd best defender still allowing him to kick his 50 goals we need as a second forward.

Geelong is the exception due to their sheer domination all over the ground, they have the best midfield, they're backline is too strong and if anything they're forwards are the weak link though they still manage an even spread of goals.

We currently don't have the luxury of a superstar midfield and backline but we can do something about making a superstar forward line and Fevola IS the answer.

HF: Didak, Cloke, Thomas
F: Davis, Fevola, Anthony



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[didaka]

Re: Fev trade

Pies are keen. Should be able to get him for a first rounder and young forward.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Re: Fev trade

Just heard Carlton have agreed to trade Fev to Collingwood. No deal has been done obviously, but they've agreed to trade him if a suitable deal is done.

Not sure what that means exactly, but at least it means they're willing to see what we'll offer. Unlike say Port, who refuse to deal with us, and West Coast.

From the second Fev named us as a Club he wants to go to, it really has seemed like he's been ours to lose, which is what will bring MM a LOT of hate if we don't get him.

Obviously this is all rumor, a 'friend of a friend' type of thing who is apparently heavily involved in Carlton's marketing.

Again, no deal has been done, but they're willing to see what we've got to offer.

 

[The Exorcist]

Re: Fev trade

Just heard Carlton have agreed to trade Fev to Collingwood. No deal has been done obviously, but they've agreed to trade him if a suitable deal is done.

Not sure what that means exactly, but at least it means they're willing to see what we'll offer. Unlike say Port, who refuse to deal with us, and West Coast.

From the second Fev named us as a Club he wants to go to, it really has seemed like he's been ours to lose, which is what will bring MM a LOT of hate if we don't get him.

Obviously this is all rumor, a 'friend of a friend' type of thing who is apparently heavily involved in Carlton's marketing.

Again, no deal has been done, but they're willing to see what we've got to offer.

Pies seem most likely, you're in a window and as much as i hate to say it, Fev may well be the difference in you getting a flag - taking away his off field antics, he's been in great form on field.

Also seems Eddie is keen but it's a question for MM and what he wants and is willing to give up

Question is what are you willing to offer?

 

[didaka]

Re: Fev trade

Just heard Carlton have agreed to trade Fev to Collingwood. No deal has been done obviously, but they've agreed to trade him if a suitable deal is done.

Not sure what that means exactly, but at least it means they're willing to see what we'll offer. Unlike say Port, who refuse to deal with us, and West Coast.

From the second Fev named us as a Club he wants to go to, it really has seemed like he's been ours to lose, which is what will bring MM a LOT of hate if we don't get him.

Obviously this is all rumor, a 'friend of a friend' type of thing who is apparently heavily involved in Carlton's marketing.

Again, no deal has been done, but they're willing to see what we've got to offer.

Stealing my scoop Ed. Cut throat business.

 

[DaVe86]

Re: Fev trade

I'm not overly fussed either way. If we don't get him then I understand the clubs reasons and its also probably due to the fact that Carlton were playing hardball and were never serious about the trade anyway.


If we get him, then we have a great forward line.



But, remember that he wont he Coleman medal this year with a pretty bad injury at the start. Took him quite a while to shake off the bruised heel that was obviously affecting his kicking early on. I think he is 20 goals better than he kicked this year which is a scary thought.


If Carlton are serious about trading him, then I expect us to be able to get the deal done. I'd hate to be outbidded if we are keen.

 

[didaka]

Re: Fev trade

It's by no means over the line, but the club at this stage is interested.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Re: Fev trade

Pies seem most likely, you're in a window and as much as i hate to say it, Fev may well be the difference in you getting a flag - taking away his off field antics, he's been in great form on field.

Also seems Eddie is keen but it's a question for MM and what he wants and is willing to give up

Question is what are you willing to offer?

See my post history. I'm willing to give up heaps.

Stealing my scoop Ed. Cut throat business.

sorry buddy. Only just heard.

 

[BEEG]

Re: Fev trade

Just heard Carlton have agreed to trade Fev to Collingwood. No deal has been done obviously, but they've agreed to trade him if a suitable deal is done.

Not sure what that means exactly, but at least it means they're willing to see what we'll offer. Unlike say Port, who refuse to deal with us, and West Coast.

From the second Fev named us as a Club he wants to go to, it really has seemed like he's been ours to lose, which is what will bring MM a LOT of hate if we don't get him.

Obviously this is all rumor, a 'friend of a friend' type of thing who is apparently heavily involved in Carlton's marketing.

Again, no deal has been done, but they're willing to see what we've got to offer.

Just heard of a mate that is a Carlton supporter and his oldman is a Carltonian and he has been told the deal is done

Pick 18 or 19 forget which one it was
and
Maccaffer

Thats the offer that Carlton have agreed on take this how you like i dont care im not saying this will happen but he has been told of a couple people this is the trade early today

Will be interesting i think Dawes to Melbourne they have been very keen on him will be the extra part of this deal

Melbourne - Dawes
Carlton - 19 and Maccaffer
Pies Fevola

 

[DaVe86]

Re: Fev trade

Pies seem most likely, you're in a window and as much as i hate to say it, Fev may well be the difference in you getting a flag - taking away his off field antics, he's been in great form on field.

Also seems Eddie is keen but it's a question for MM and what he wants and is willing to give up

Question is what are you willing to offer?

The question is how serious are you about trading him?? Are you going to play hardball or take what's on offer.


I think our starting point would be Pick 14 + Dawes.

With an offer so stingy, I'd expect we'd also have to pay off most of the contract as well which is as good to Carlton as another draft pick. That would give Carlton the opportunity to really free up the salary cap, and perhaps make a play for Tarrant.


So Pick 14, Dawes + large contract payment.

That would be the starting point...let the negotiations begin.

 

[Joe-time]

Re: Fev trade

I've seen alot of posts saying we don't need a full forward with the calibre of brendan fevola to win a premiership. We don't need a full forward to kick 60+ goals a year.

Thought i'd do a little research.

2009 - Geelong - Mooney 46, Johnson 40, Chapman 37, Hawkins 34,
2008 - Hawthorn - Franklin 113, Roughead 75, Williams 46
2007 - Geelong - Mooney 67, Johnson 49, N.Ablett 34
2006 - West Coast - Lynch 65, Embley 31
2005 - Sydney - Hall 80, O'Loughlin 52, N.Davis 38
2004 - Port Adelaide - Tredrea 81, Motlop 34
2003 - Brisbane - A.Lynch 78, Bradshaw 30
2002 - Brisbane - A.Lynch 74, Bradshaw 38
2001 - Brisbane - A.Lynch, 58, Bradshaw 46, Brown 38
2000 - Essendon - Llyod 109, Lucas 57

and Collingwood in the same years..

2009 - Anthony 50, Davis 35
2008 - Medhurst 50, Cloke 34, Davis 32
2007 - Rocca 54, Cloke 37, Davis 31
2006 - Rocca 55, Didak 41
2005 - Caracella 34, Medhurst 27
2004 - Medhurst 41, Rocca 27
2003 - Medhurst 50, Rocca 45
2002 - Rocca 38, Fraser 37, Medhurst 36
2001 - Rocca 42, Holland 28
2000 - Cummings 47, Caracella 35



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Pretty sure Medhurst didn't play for us in '02, '03, '04... Tarrant maybe?

Yeah I don't agree with this point simply because I could show you teams with a FF kicking 50+ (Richmond - not this year, Hawthorn this year) that finish lower on the ladder than say, a bulldogs with no big key FF. All depends on game plan I guess.

I know what you're trying to say though. I guess the crux of this Fevola trade is what we have to give up for him aye.

 

[PooMonkey]

Re: Fev trade

Just heard of a mate that is a Carlton supporter and his oldman is a Carltonian and he has been told the deal is done

Pick 18 or 19 forget which one it was
and
Maccaffer

Thats the offer that Carlton have agreed on take this how you like i dont care im not saying this will happen but he has been told of a couple people this is the trade early today

Will be interesting i think Dawes to Melbourne they have been very keen on him will be the extra part of this deal

Melbourne - Dawes
Carlton - 19 and Maccaffer
Pies Fevola

Not a strong enough deal.
For Carlton to give you Fev we would want a first round pick not a second rounder.

Pick #14 would be a must, but that might not be enough now that the Lions have entered the race, have pick #12 and have said that it is on the table.

I also think that one of either Cloke or JA would need to be offered up as Brisbane look to offload Bradshaw who would fill the hole left at FF for the Blues

 

[adii_7]

Re: Fev trade

tommorow you get to welcome fev to the collingwood football club

 

[danielnajdek]

Re: Fev trade

tommorow you get to welcome fev to the collingwood football club

what do you mean by this?

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Re: Fev trade

Just heard of a mate that is a Carlton supporter and his oldman is a Carltonian and he has been told the deal is done

Pick 18 or 19 forget which one it was
and
Maccaffer

Thats the offer that Carlton have agreed on take this how you like i dont care im not saying this will happen but he has been told of a couple people this is the trade early today

Will be interesting i think Dawes to Melbourne they have been very keen on him will be the extra part of this deal

Melbourne - Dawes
Carlton - 19 and Maccaffer
Pies Fevola

Wow, I'd do that deal in a heartbeat.

NO WAY Carlton would accept. Although Macaffer is a promising forward.

 

[didaka]

Re: Fev trade

Not a strong enough deal.
For Carlton to give you Fev we would want a first round pick not a second rounder.

Pick #14 would be a must, but that might not be enough now that the Lions have entered the race, have pick #12 and have said that it is on the table.

I also think that one of either Cloke or JA would need to be offered up as Brisbane look to offload Bradshaw who would fill the hole left at FF for the Blues

Mate, seriously, Don't believe the Herald Sun. Bradshaw is finished. Has a year at best. The end.

If Carlton accpeted Bradshaw over Dawes or Macaffer, then questions should be asked.

 

[BEEG]

Re: Fev trade

Not a strong enough deal.
For Carlton to give you Fev we would want a first round pick not a second rounder.

Pick #14 would be a must, but that might not be enough now that the Lions have entered the race, have pick #12 and have said that it is on the table.

I also think that one of either Cloke or JA would need to be offered up as Brisbane look to offload Bradshaw who would fill the hole left at FF for the Blues

He doesnt want to leave Victoria he has made this very clear

I dont think its strong enough either im happy to put 14 in there but thats what i have heard of a carlton supporter which has high contacts

And there is alot more to the whole Fev Brownlow night

Carlton are angry that he has hurt there brand but they are even more angry that he has hurt the Judd brand

 

[BEEG]

Re: Fev trade

tommorow you get to welcome fev to the collingwood football club

?????

 

[Bay Pie]

Re: Fev trade

From reading the papers it does appear we have made an approach and a basic offer that didn't include our 1st round pick. Who knows? carlton have indicated that more would be required.

Starting point anyway.

Possibly the Caff & Dawes or 2nd round pick and 1 of those 2.

To be realistic, the trade will have to include pick 14 and possibly 1 of the said players. Perhaps carlton could swing pick 14 to the Dees for McLean and keep pick 11. That means

carlton: Fevola straight swap for McLean
Pies:get Fevola & lose pick 14
Dees: lose McLean & get pick 14.

I'd say we'd need to sweeten this a bit to satisfy carlton.

 

[didaka]

Re: Fev trade

He doesnt want to leave Victoria he has made this very clear

I dont think its strong enough either im happy to put 14 in there but thats what i have heard of a carlton supporter which has high contacts

And there is alot more to the whole Fev Brownlow night

Carlton are angry that he has hurt there brand but they are even more angry that he has hurt the Judd brand

If we were to say gain selection 18, it's much of a muchness with a trade for either selection. I dare say we'd be most likely to recruit the same player at either selection, which I'm led to believe is Batsanic.