Brett Deledio's Tiger deal on hold

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He'll either go to the Cats and play his best footy there like Brett Ottens, or get himself another huge contract with us and end his career like Nick Daffy. Overpaid, overated and overweight!
 
nothing's safe until the deal is done - contract signed. until then anything is possible. fortunately it just appears to be probable that he will stay with us ;)
 
He'll either go to the Cats and play his best footy there like Brett Ottens, or get himself another huge contract with us and end his career like Nick Daffy. Overpaid, overated and overweight!

Our biggest mistake with Nick was making him a midfielder. If we had of left him on a flank, who knows.
You seem a knowledgeable poster, why will Brett leave us, and if he stays given his results for the club, why wouldn't he be the highest paid player at the club? We're not paying him on potentual.
 
Our biggest mistake with Nick was making him a midfielder. If we had of left him on a flank, who knows.
You seem a knowledgeable poster, why will Brett leave us, and if he stays given his results for the club, why wouldn't he be the highest paid player at the club? We're not paying him on potentual.

Deledio has all the talent in the world but is not mentally strong. Has never given us 100% committment with his footy.

The Ottens theory is that Deledio would be a better player as a smaller fish in a bigger pond with better players around him constantly pushing him to play at their standard. Consistently. You dont get away with the occassional flash of brilliance at a club playing for premierships.

At Tigerland he is a big fish in a small talent pool and he is not mentally equipped to play at his best with average players around him week on week.

The Daffy theory is that his big contract went to his head and he thought he didnt have to work hard anymore and he would be picked on reputation. Deledio, never known to be a hard worker can easily go the same way.

And lets not forget that Ottens would have stayed if we paid him the money he was asking for. I dont doubt Deledio would choose to stay at Richmond for easy money over Geelong for premierships
 
Deledio has all the talent in the world but is not mentally strong. Has never given us 100% committment with his footy.

The Ottens theory is that Deledio would be a better player as a smaller fish in a bigger pond with better players around him constantly pushing him to play at their standard. Consistently. You dont get away with the occassional flash of brilliance at a club playing for premierships.

At Tigerland he is a big fish in a small talent pool and he is not mentally equipped to play at his best with average players around him week on week.

The Daffy theory is that his big contract went to his head and he thought he didnt have to work hard anymore and he would be picked on reputation. Deledio, never known to be a hard worker can easily go the same way.

And lets not forget that Ottens would have stayed if we paid him the money he was asking for. I dont doubt Deledio would choose to stay at Richmond for easy money over Geelong for premierships

Clearly have no idea what you're talking about, do you?

Lids not mentally strong? Has played 150 out of a possible 154 matches in his career to date. I guarantee you he's played through plenty of injuries/niggles in those 150 matches; that takes mental strength. Think Round 14, 2010 vs Sydney; when it looked like he'd broken his arm, only to get it strapped up, come back on and help turn the game for us. Not mention re-signing at the end of 2009; possibly our biggest let down of a season in 30 years. That took conviction too, cos I bet other clubs were circling.

As for not a hard worker, then you're kidding yourself.

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/102253/default.aspx

Take a look at those stats. Lids dominates them, but most impressively he topped not only the inside 50's, but the rebound 50's. You cannot have the most disposals for the season at a club, and deliver the ball at both ends of the ground more than anyone else in your whole side and not work hard.
 
Deledio has all the talent in the world but is not mentally strong. Has never given us 100% committment with his footy.

The Ottens theory is that Deledio would be a better player as a smaller fish in a bigger pond with better players around him constantly pushing him to play at their standard. Consistently. You dont get away with the occassional flash of brilliance at a club playing for premierships.

At Tigerland he is a big fish in a small talent pool and he is not mentally equipped to play at his best with average players around him week on week.

The Daffy theory is that his big contract went to his head and he thought he didnt have to work hard anymore and he would be picked on reputation. Deledio, never known to be a hard worker can easily go the same way.

And lets not forget that Ottens would have stayed if we paid him the money he was asking for. I dont doubt Deledio would choose to stay at Richmond for easy money over Geelong for premierships

I actually understand the point your trying to make on Delidio, but it's not about mental strength (i reckon he may be aloof with a healthy ego). The one thing that has confused/perpexed Tiger supporters is that we have never really come out and said where is his best position. To a degree he has been a big fish in a small pond, but, having said that, he has probably still been the best performed Tiger in the last three years (barring Jack?).
Ottens didn't leave us for cash exactly, in fact he didn't want to leave the Tigers. At that time we were right to offer him the money we did (given his injuries at the time), and Geelong offered more. And at the time he left us, Geelong weren't a powerhouse either.
But make no mistake, Delidio works and trains hard.His move to the midfield this year will be telling. FWIW he's gonna stay.
 
While I suppose Deledio has yet to fulfill his ridiculously high potential, I wouldn't call him mentally weak.

And I think no matter what club he goes to he will still be a "big fish."

Think two or three years from now when deledio is 27, 28. Who at Geelong would be better than him? Joel Selwood and that's it. Where if he stayed at Richmond in three years his midfield associates will be Dustin Martin and Captain Cotchin
 

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Deledio has all the talent in the world but is not mentally strong. Has never given us 100% committment with his footy.

The Ottens theory is that Deledio would be a better player as a smaller fish in a bigger pond with better players around him constantly pushing him to play at their standard. Consistently. You dont get away with the occassional flash of brilliance at a club playing for premierships.

At Tigerland he is a big fish in a small talent pool and he is not mentally equipped to play at his best with average players around him week on week.

The Daffy theory is that his big contract went to his head and he thought he didnt have to work hard anymore and he would be picked on reputation. Deledio, never known to be a hard worker can easily go the same way.

And lets not forget that Ottens would have stayed if we paid him the money he was asking for. I dont doubt Deledio would choose to stay at Richmond for easy money over Geelong for premierships

I agree with the suspicion that he's not suited to being 'number 1' and needs someone else to push him to get the very best out of himself.

That's about as far as I agree though.

He is a hard worker (It was mentioned months ago that Dusty has been shadowing him for much of the pre season because he was the hardest worker at the club).

As for not taking the lead, it's pretty clear that Cotchin is taking up that mantle, and is suited to it, which solves that problem. On field, Cotchin and Martin will help cover the 'elite midfielder' load adequately that Lids should be able to shine.
 
Our biggest mistake with Nick was making him a midfielder. If we had of left him on a flank, who knows.
You seem a knowledgeable poster, why will Brett leave us, and if he stays given his results for the club, why wouldn't he be the highest paid player at the club? We're not paying him on potentual.

He'll either go to the Cats and play his best footy there like Brett Ottens, or get himself another huge contract with us and end his career like Nick Daffy. Overpaid, overated and overweight!

Had a chuckle.
 
He'll either go to the Cats and play his best footy there like Brett Ottens, or get himself another huge contract with us and end his career like Nick Daffy. Overpaid, overated and overweight!

another forthright comment straight from the clacker ...pffft , comparrisons to daffy:p...has and always will have more talent in his toe than daffy ever had. and he was no dud by the way. 2 B&fs already, wouldnt suprise me if he won 3 or 4 more and a brownlow. they dont make footballers like Lids everyday , no siree, our only prob is we dont have 7 or 8 of him:eek:
 
In my opinion the current Administration have been very professional - I'm proud to finally be able to say this. But they neglected to state, from the start of their tenure, that "Richmond Football Club will never discuss any contract issue with the media so don't waste your time asking about them. Next question."
 
I think we should sign him to a 5 yr deal heavily back ended.

Reason for this is that Lids would be available to our vetrans list in a couple of years because of the 10 yrs service and therefore only half his wage would count towards the cap.

He will most likely be our highest paid player at the club and if we can make it so that only half of that counts for majority of the contract then we would be in the box seat to use that cash to either secure our other stars or sign a big free agent. I am sure the club would be thinking about this.

Either way Lids is going to be paying the top MTR and you would probably have to compensate him more for recieving the money later as the time value would come into it, but it could be done imo.

I also think this is why it would be tough for any club to win a bidding war against us over a long term contract.

Ten years service and has to be 30 years old.
 
Changes to the vets list rules mean that you can have as many as you like on the list, once they qualify but only 100k of their salary is discounted (not counted) per player. Can't remember the source but pretty sure that's right.

Without checking if you have two on the veterans list only half their salary is counted. If you have more than two then the percentage discounted is lowered per player. Not sure what the lowest is.

Still to qualify for veterans list you have to have played teny years at the club and be 30 years of age.
 
Without checking if you have two on the veterans list only half their salary is counted. If you have more than two then the percentage discounted is lowered per player. Not sure what the lowest is.

Still to qualify for veterans list you have to have played teny years at the club and be 30 years of age.

no i thought with the new cba this has changed to 100k per player with as many as you like.
 
Clearly have no idea what you're talking about, do you?

Lids not mentally strong? Has played 150 out of a possible 154 matches in his career to date. I guarantee you he's played through plenty of injuries/niggles in those 150 matches; that takes mental strength. Think Round 14, 2010 vs Sydney; when it looked like he'd broken his arm, only to get it strapped up, come back on and help turn the game for us. Not mention re-signing at the end of 2009; possibly our biggest let down of a season in 30 years. That took conviction too, cos I bet other clubs were circling.

As for not a hard worker, then you're kidding yourself.

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/102253/default.aspx

Take a look at those stats. Lids dominates them, but most impressively he topped not only the inside 50's, but the rebound 50's. You cannot have the most disposals for the season at a club, and deliver the ball at both ends of the ground more than anyone else in your whole side and not work hard.

The fact that you are comparing Deledio to other Richmond players reinforces my point. Big fish small pond.

Now try his stats against Dane Swan. Then Selwood.

Or better still, go on the main board and argue that Deledio is the hardest working player in the AFL.
 
another forthright comment straight from the clacker ...pffft , comparrisons to daffy:p...has and always will have more talent in his toe than daffy ever had. and he was no dud by the way. 2 B&fs already, wouldnt suprise me if he won 3 or 4 more and a brownlow. they dont make footballers like Lids everyday , no siree, our only prob is we dont have 7 or 8 of him:eek:

The point about Daffy being that after he landed a big contract in '99 his best footy was behind him.
 

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