Brett Deledio's Tiger deal on hold

[1980]

While I suppose Deledio has yet to fulfill his ridiculously high potential, I wouldn't call him mentally weak.

And I think no matter what club he goes to he will still be a "big fish."

Think two or three years from now when deledio is 27, 28. Who at Geelong would be better than him? Joel Selwood and that's it. Where if he stayed at Richmond in three years his midfield associates will be Dustin Martin and Captain Cotchin

I define mental weakness as follows:

How many times when the pressure is on have you seen Deledio go missing. More than the alternative. I'd say 9:1 times in fact.

More tellingly, how many big games has he folded in?

Knighter turned around more games for us in a season than Deledio has in his entire career.

 

[1980]

Yep, what a ridiculous statement. The entire post is utter crap.

You still idolise Richard Tambling

 

[Bojangles17]

I define mental weakness as follows:

How many times when the pressure is on have you seen Deledio go missing. More than the alternative. I'd say 9:1 times in fact.

More tellingly, how many big games has he folded in?

Knighter turned around more games for us in a season than Deledio has in his entire career.

I think if you looked at last years stats 80, his top 10 games were for the most part against top 8 sides, what do you make of that

 

[partycorolla]

The fact that you are comparing Deledio to other Richmond players reinforces my point. Big fish small pond.

Now try his stats against Dane Swan. Then Selwood.

Or better still, go on the main board and argue that Deledio is the hardest working player in the AFL.

Now compare the relative sides and teammates that have been around those other 2 players and oh..... they're not really the best comparisons are they. One plays in one of the best sides to play in the modern era and the other has always played in a successful team since he has been good. Put Lids in either of those sides and he would be achieving just as well as them.... but you clearly have a bee in your bonnet so on you go.... clueless

 

[1980]

Now compare the relative sides and teammates that have been around those other 2 players and oh..... they're not really the best comparisons are they. One plays in one of the best sides to play in the modern era and the other has always played in a successful team since he has been good. Put Lids in either of those sides and he would be achieving just as well as them.... but you clearly have a bee in your bonnet so on you go.... clueless

Yeah thanks for pointing that out. He'd be lucky to get a game in either of those club's midfields. Come to think of it, he cant even make it as a midfielder at our club. He was drafted as a midfilder to build a team around and 7 years later.......

 

[Barnzy]

1980, you sure talk a lot of shit.

 

[City Search]

1980, you sure talk a lot of shit.

This times 100

 

[sante]

Did Lids have a one night stand with your daughter 1980?

 

[Waltz17]

The fact that you are comparing Deledio to other Richmond players reinforces my point. Big fish small pond.

Now try his stats against Dane Swan. Then Selwood.

Or better still, go on the main board and argue that Deledio is the hardest working player in the AFL.

But compare him to say Wellingham, Sidebottom, Wojcinski, or Varcoe - And Deledio is obviously better than any of them; But they're all still very important players - very good players. And they're surrounded by even greater players.

You rate Deledio lower than Swan and Selwood (as most would) but that doesn't make him as terrible as you make out.

You say he's a big fish in a small pond when he is probably level as our best midfielder alongside Cotchin and Martin.

I think he would be top three at Geelong behind Selwood and Bartel; I think he would be top three at Collingwood behind Swan and Pendelbury.

Granted you could argue that the support of Thomas, Ball, Sidebottom, Didak etc. or Enright, Kelly, Johnson, Corey, Chapman etc. would help him blend in a bit more that doesn't mean both of those teams wouldn't take him in a heartbeat.

He doesn't have that support around him: this makes him even more important to our club! He is by all accounts (except yours) a great player and he has by all acounts (including yours) room for improvement despite his already grand talent.

You're entitled to your opinion and I'm sure I won't change it at all, but I feel I should defend someone who most think has been a great player for this club for seven years

 

[partycorolla]

Did Lids have a one night stand with your daughter 1980?

Or perhaps Lids didn't sign an autograph for him one day.... then came the tears and subsequent heart felt desire to talk Lids down

 

[TOOs_Finest]

Yeah thanks for pointing that out. He'd be lucky to get a game in either of those club's midfields. Come to think of it, he cant even make it as a midfielder at our club. He was drafted as a midfilder to build a team around and 7 years later.......

In that case, I guess you're ranking him down with the lowly likes of Goddard and Hodge. I can live with that

To be serious, I don't think many would disagree that he is yet to show the real leadership tendencies of a Selwood or Judd, or even Cotchin. Maybe it's just not his go, or he may be a late developer in that department. Being a no. 1 draft pick, people expect that to automatically be part of the package.

But yeah, he is still a gun footballer, and is definitely up there with the gun mids of the comp. Some probably believe he is playing in the backline because he can't cut it in the middle. Funnily enough, he won 2 B&F's playing on the ball. I am pretty sure he is sacrificing his own game to do a role which has been asked of him. If that's accurate and he doesn't get kudos for it, that would be a real shame.

With our midfield strength now, my feeling is he will absolutely cut it up n the middle this year. He will still be the number one target to be tagged by opposition, mark my words.

 

[City Search]

People quickly forget how much he carved up Goddard in that drawn game.

 

[Bojangles17]

People quickly forget how much he carved up Goddard in that drawn game.

I havent

 

[1980]

But compare him to say Wellingham, Sidebottom, Wojcinski, or Varcoe - And Deledio is obviously better than any of them; But they're all still very important players - very good players. And they're surrounded by even greater players.

You rate Deledio lower than Swan and Selwood (as most would) but that doesn't make him as terrible as you make out.

You say he's a big fish in a small pond when he is probably level as our best midfielder alongside Cotchin and Martin.

I think he would be top three at Geelong behind Selwood and Bartel; I think he would be top three at Collingwood behind Swan and Pendelbury.

Granted you could argue that the support of Thomas, Ball, Sidebottom, Didak etc. or Enright, Kelly, Johnson, Corey, Chapman etc. would help him blend in a bit more that doesn't mean both of those teams wouldn't take him in a heartbeat.

He doesn't have that support around him: this makes him even more important to our club! He is by all accounts (except yours) a great player and he has by all acounts (including yours) room for improvement despite his already grand talent.

You're entitled to your opinion and I'm sure I won't change it at all, but I feel I should defend someone who most think has been a great player for this club for seven years

A well constructed argument.

My issue with Deledio is the hero worship he gets. He'd probably be a better player if we worshipped him less, and he would not be hero worshipped at all if he played for a club less success starved (if thats actually a term).

And like most players that get hero worshipped at Tigerland, he will be end up being crucified. Daffy, Bowden & Gaspar all come to mind.

 

[1980]

Or perhaps Lids didn't sign an autograph for him one day.... then came the tears and subsequent heart felt desire to talk Lids down

No worries. I've got 4 authographs; Jimmy Jess; Francis Bourke; Geoff Raines and Michael Roach all signed after they won the premiership. I'll be happy to ask Deledio for an autograph if he ever plays in one. As for you, you may want to wait until he plays in a couple of finals before you drop your pants for him. Make him at least earn it.

 

[1980]

In that case, I guess you're ranking him down with the lowly likes of Goddard and Hodge. I can live with that

To be serious, I don't think many would disagree that he is yet to show the real leadership tendencies of a Selwood or Judd, or even Cotchin. Maybe it's just not his go, or he may be a late developer in that department. Being a no. 1 draft pick, people expect that to automatically be part of the package.

But yeah, he is still a gun footballer, and is definitely up there with the gun mids of the comp. Some probably believe he is playing in the backline because he can't cut it in the middle. Funnily enough, he won 2 B&F's playing on the ball. I am pretty sure he is sacrificing his own game to do a role which has been asked of him. If that's accurate and he doesn't get kudos for it, that would be a real shame.

With our midfield strength now, my feeling is he will absolutely cut it up n the middle this year. He will still be the number one target to be tagged by opposition, mark my words.

He's not a midfielder. The fact we have moved him around so much in his career is because was always tagged out of games in the midfield. The only way to break a tag is to run a tagger into the ground- hence why I accuse Deledio of not being a hard enough worker.

IMO- Martin and Cotch are ahead of him. Martin will be twice the player Deledio is this year

 

[partycorolla]

A well constructed argument.

My issue with Deledio is the hero worship he gets. He'd probably be a better player if we worshipped him less, and he would not be hero worshipped at all if he played for a club less success starved (if thats actually a term).

And like most players that get hero worshipped at Tigerland, he will be end up being crucified. Daffy, Bowden & Gaspar all come to mind.

Once again, you are mislead. There is not a great deal of hero worship as you put it for Lids. Well not on my behalf. I just acknowledge that he is a very good player with a potential to be great. So he struggled to break a tag when he was 20.... maybe that's not worth crucifying him for.... When threatened with being dropped to the VFL in whatever year that was, he was ranked very highly in getting contested possessions in the league for that half of the season. Sort of debunks you no heart sentiment. Since then coaches have left him in the back half as our backs were too weak to cope with out him and not good enough at rebounding with the class and skill that he has. Blame the coaches not Lids.

I love the "I'll get his autograph once he's won a premiership" bs you sprout. Still chasing autographs at your age.... reeks of the never quite grew up syndrome. I'll bet you live your sporting dreams through your kids too.... I pity you.

 

[Dustin Credible]

A little from column A and a little from column B...

No doubt we've needed his class in the back line but he only ended up there because he wasn't coping with the tag that early in his career.

Hopefully if he moves to the midfield this year, he can show what he has always had the potential to do.

I can certainly see though, where 1980 is coming from. The abuse directed at him is unwarranted.

No.1 draft pick = sacred cow

 

[Put a Lids on it]

Lids is the man, everyone knows this even Dustin Martin says so. He will be awesome in the midfield there is no reason as to why he won't be. When he was getting the main tag he was a young buck he's a totally different beast nowadays, this is clear.

 

[TOOs_Finest]

He's not a midfielder. The fact we have moved him around so much in his career is because was always tagged out of games in the midfield. The only way to break a tag is to run a tagger into the ground- hence why I accuse Deledio of not being a hard enough worker.

IMO- Martin and Cotch are ahead of him. Martin will be twice the player Deledio is this year

There is no shame in not being the best player at the club, just because you're a number one draft pick. He has been around for years longer than Cotch and Dusty, so of course he gets his share of love. I bet if you asked Dusty who he admired most at the club, Lids would be in the top two. Twice the player... well, I'll assume you're exaggerating, otherwise may as well freeze Brownlow betting now
If Dusty becomes a better player, big deal. We're the winners there, and huge winners at that.

Again, Lids won 2 b&f's playing as a mid. He had major problems playing against Picken from the Dogs, but I can't remember any other team in particular that shut him down consistently. I realise he had some other quiet games being tagged, but IMO it wasn't as big an issue as a lot of people make out, or he just wouldn't have won the b&f's.

F'ing good player = sacred cow

efa

 

[1980]

Once again, you are mislead. There is not a great deal of hero worship as you put it for Lids. Well not on my behalf. I just acknowledge that he is a very good player with a potential to be great. So he struggled to break a tag when he was 20.... maybe that's not worth crucifying him for.... When threatened with being dropped to the VFL in whatever year that was, he was ranked very highly in getting contested possessions in the league for that half of the season. Sort of debunks you no heart sentiment. Since then coaches have left him in the back half as our backs were too weak to cope with out him and not good enough at rebounding with the class and skill that he has. Blame the coaches not Lids.

I love the "I'll get his autograph once he's won a premiership" bs you sprout. Still chasing autographs at your age.... reeks of the never quite grew up syndrome. I'll bet you live your sporting dreams through your kids too.... I pity you.

He only started playing well when they threatened to drop him? Great comeback- are you trying to demonstrate that he is both mentally weak and now also has no heart sentitment? Sorry I forgot whether you were arguing for or against him with that line...

He no longer has "the potential to be great". He is 24 and has 7 seaons of development. He is in our top 5 players but you talk about him as if he is in the top 5 players in the AFL- He is unliklely to be in the top 20 (That's a good debate to have). By that definition- you are hero worshipping.

Not a great idea to bring my kids into it. How about I start bringing your mum and sister into it? Have a little think before before your next post where that will lead to. Thanks

 

[1980]

Lids is the man, everyone knows this even Dustin Martin says so. He will be awesome in the midfield there is no reason as to why he won't be. When he was getting the main tag he was a young buck he's a totally different beast nowadays, this is clear.

Great news. He is going to smash it in the midfield this year and take us to the finals. Then he will have in no uncertain terms fulfilled his potential. That happens, I will be terrified if he doesnt sign a new contract. Right now.....not so worried.

 

[rammbo]

Great news. He is going to smash it in the midfield this year and take us to the finals. Then he will have in no uncertain terms fulfilled his potential. That happens, I will be terrified if he doesnt sign a new contract. Right now.....not so worried.

Lids is a crucial player to us no matter where he plays ,seems a strange player for you to target to critisise ,i suggest there is many more on our list that you could pick, its really is a smorgastbord our list but lids is definately off the menu.

 

[TOOs_Finest]

IMO- Martin and Cotch are ahead of him. Martin will be twice the player Deledio is this year

Great news. He is going to smash it in the midfield this year and take us to the finals. Then he will have in no uncertain terms fulfilled his potential. That happens, I will be terrified if he doesnt sign a new contract. Right now.....not so worried.

Ok, so unless he leads us to finals, Lids cannot possibly have reached his potential and is a soft underachiever.

But Cotch and Martin are superstars regardless

Watched Dusty's game against Freo last year? The name DeBoer ring a bell?
How about Cotch against the Dees last year? Clint Bartram anyone?
When Lids was being tagged, Foley was probably the next best mid we had. Everyone expected him to win the game off his own boot (just like you expect him to drag us in to the finals), yet he was the only on baller opposition teams cared about.

At least you admit him being top 20 in the comp is a debate worth having
I'd settle for top 50 at this point.
I don't think too many expect the club to go out of their way to pay him ridiculous amounts (500K-600K bracket for mine), but yeah, we'd hate to lose him - he'd be a huge loss.

 

[partycorolla]

He only started playing well when they threatened to drop him? Great comeback- are you trying to demonstrate that he is both mentally weak and now also has no heart sentitment? Sorry I forgot whether you were arguing for or against him with that line...

He no longer has "the potential to be great". He is 24 and has 7 seaons of development. He is in our top 5 players but you talk about him as if he is in the top 5 players in the AFL- He is unliklely to be in the top 20 (That's a good debate to have). By that definition- you are hero worshipping.

Not a great idea to bring my kids into it. How about I start bringing your mum and sister into it? Have a little think before before your next post where that will lead to. Thanks

Well I don't have a sister, so you can go to town on that, and my mum, well she's part of the reason I barrack this rabble so probably a bit annoyed with her, so gimme your worst So i'll reiterate, don't try and live your lives through your kids champ, it's not good for them.

Now, about this hero worship of which you speak.... I can't remember ranking Lids against anyone in the AFL, club or universe, other than one stat which was used to refute your assertion that he has no ability to get the ball when tagged. I can't help it if you can't understand that. But please, please show me where I have hero-worshipped him or said I think he is top 5 in the AFL. I don't happen to think he is our most important player but meh.... what's it to you. The way you talk about him, you'd think he's Matty White

I do agree with you that it is a shame that it took a rocket from his coach to get him up and about but then hey, same thing happened to Dusty last pre-season.... Maybe he is mentally weak too. I'm not so sure, seems to be a speciality of yours, perhaps it's a takes one to know one sort of deal there... ciao