Toast #BringBackTheBars - Our Heritage, Our History, Our Right! Part 2

[Festerz]

Exactly!
The Facebook page alone the last six days has had a reach over way over 20,000 (with no boosts).
Which means it’s as important to the fans as ever!

But we should stay quiet according to Festerz, who may be Richo!

Did each of those 20,000 people who you say 'visited' the facebook group express an opinion on the club making a public statement on the prison bars this week?

My guess is no.

But of course you reckon they all align with your thinking.

Or that the handful of up-votes you get for each post you make in a thread you yourself created 4 years ago somehow represents the combined thinking of 50,000+ members of the PAFC.

But hey - keep it up with the straw men arguments.

And enjoy reigning over this echo chamber you've created to attack someone who just doesn't think the way you do.

 

[bomberclifford]

Did each of those 20,000 people who you say visited the facebook group express an opinion on the club making a public statement on the prison bars this week?

My guess is no.

But of course you reckon they all align with your thinking.

But hey - keep it up with the straw men to attack someone who just doesn't think the way you do.

What an echo chamber.

Dude. You’re showing your ignorance here.

 

[Festerz]

Dude. You’re showing your ignorance here.

Maybe. But would appreciate a sensible debate on the issue rather than posts about reaming.

 

[Steve Dore]

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Can tell you that 99% of the people who were at the game on Saturday night did NOT go home thinking about the bloody prison bars.

Were you at the game or watch a telecast?

There were a lot more than 1% of people in attendance wearing the prison bars, myself included.

 

[Festerz]

Were you at the game or watch a telecast?

There were a lot more than 1% of people in attendance wearing the prison bars, myself included.

I was at the game with my family. As always. I said that in my post. Black Diamond member. My son has a prison bar jumper which he wears at each game.

And yes I have signed the petition to wear the prison bars.

And have posted in this thread supporting the right to wear the bars.

But that is not the point is it?

Nor what my original post said.

I said that 99% of people walking home from that game were not thinking about whether we will be wearing the bars this week.

Do you think that is an accurate statement?

I reckon our focus this week has to be on winning the game - not by a little but by a lot. And the club's focus THIS WEEK should not be sidetracked by regurgitating the prison bar debate unnecessarily when we are 2- zip into the season.

Isn't that almost exactly what you said here yesterday? Or did I read this comment of yours incorrectly?

I wouldn't be surprised if the club actually starts talking up the PB campaign again among the members and supporters to distract from the Kenny Hinkley sh!tshow. That doesn't mean that they'll push the issue with the AFL though.

 

[dirty2]

I wouldn't be surprised if the club actually starts talking up the PB campaign again among the members and supporters to distract from the Kenny Hinkley sh!tshow. That doesn't mean that they'll push the issue with the AFL though.

Steve don't give them bloody ideas..

 

[Steve Dore]

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I said that 99% of people walking home from that game were not thinking about whether we will be wearing the bars this week.
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No you didn't.

 

[Festerz]

No you didn't.

err yes I did.

Here's what I said in full:


What 'beggars belief' is after yet another shitfest thrashing on Saturday night - a home game meant to honour the legacy and legend of the late Russell Ebert - that someone really thinks the thing the Club really needs to focus on for the next few days is publicity around the prison bars 'discussion' prior to an away showdown against the Crows.

It would, rightly, be viewed by the media as an attempt to take the focus off our woeful onfield performance in the past 3 games.

Can tell you that 99% of the people who were at the game on Saturday night did NOT go home thinking about the bloody prison bars.


And followed up with this:

3 days after an embarrassing home loss in a game to celebrate the life of the greatest man to ever wear the prison bars.

Now THAT'S Delusional.

How do you reckon the thousands of Port fans who turned up to watch that shit fest on Saturday night (many of them - including me - the same ones who turned up to watch our embarrassing Prelim final thrashing) would react if the Club did that?

I just reckon that this week we've got more important things to have a public whine about than what jumper we wear in an away showdown. And it doesn't mean that action isn't happening behind the scenes just that it isn't being broadcast.


So tell me what do you think I meant?

And how is it in any way different from what you said yesterday about talk of the PBs distracting from the 'shitshow'?

 

[Steve Dore]

err yes I did.

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Can tell you that 99% of the people who were at the game on Saturday night did NOT go home thinking about the bloody prison bars.

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[chiwigi]

Maybe. But would appreciate a sensible debate on the issue rather than posts about reaming.

Nah, you don't. There are no examples of this behaviour anywhere on these forums, you love a shit fight, hence my comment about you missing the guy that gives it to you, winds you up and sets you off.

Did each of those 20,000 people who you say 'visited' the facebook group express an opinion on the club making a public statement on the prison bars this week?

My guess is no.

But of course you reckon they all align with your thinking.

Or that the handful of up-votes you get for each post you make in a thread you yourself created 4 years ago somehow represents the combined thinking of 50,000+ members of the PAFC.

But hey - keep it up with the straw men arguments.

And enjoy reigning over this echo chamber you've created to attack someone who just doesn't think the way you do.

You've lost the plot mr Sea Lion!

 

[Festerz]

Nah, you don't. There are no examples of this behaviour anywhere on these forums, you love a shit fight, hence my comment about you missing the guy that gives it to you, winds you up and sets you off.



You've lost the plot mr Sea Lion!

LOL. Is this Papa G 's shadow account? You've mentioned him twice now as if he's your lost lover. Next you'll be calling kids who lost their mum to covid 'M0ngs' like he did to make the transformation official.

Any chance you want to reflect on your own behaviour in response to someone daring to disagree with you Mr 'Reamer'?

But hey I get it. You want this thread you created to be your own little echo chamber with everyone in furious agreement with your particular view of the world. And projecting your narrow view of things that matter on the 50k+ members who follow the club.

Leave you to it.

 

[Interstater]

LOL. Is this Papa G 's shadow account? You've mentioned him twice now as if he's your lost lover. Next you'll be calling kids who lost their mum to covid 'M0ngs' like he did to make the transformation official.

Any chance you want to reflect on your own behaviour in response to someone daring to disagree with you Mr 'Reamer'?

But hey I get it. You want this thread you created to be your own little echo chamber with everyone in furious agreement with your particular view of the world. And projecting your narrow view of things that matter on the 50k+ members who follow the club.

Leave you to it.

I like how you are indicating people should not focus on the prison bars this week by continuing to bump the prison bars thread.

 

[Festerz]

I like how you are indicating people should not focus on the prison bars this week by continuing to bump the prison bars thread.

I said the Club should not focus on the prison bars in public comments this week after the devastating loss on the weekend.

And, no offence to the thread creator and regular posters, but I am pretty sure the Big Footy prison bars thread is not on the radar of most Port supporters let alone the rest of the footy world.

My comments and responses to comments of others here is pretty inconsequential in the scheme of things all things considered.

 

[El_Scorcho]

What 'beggars belief' is after yet another shitfest thrashing on Saturday night - a home game meant to honour the legacy and legend of the late Russell Ebert - that someone really thinks the thing the Club really needs to focus on for the next few days is publicity around the prison bars 'discussion' prior to an away showdown against the Crows.

It would, rightly, be viewed by the media as an attempt to take the focus off our woeful onfield performance in the past 3 games.

Can tell you that 99% of the people who were at the game on Saturday night did NOT go home thinking about the bloody prison bars.

The club is capable of focusing on more than one thing at a time. They could sack Hinkley, announce they're wearing the bars regardless of penalty AND win the showdown in the next 2 days if they really wanted.

Who gives a shit how the media spin it? The club should be answerable first and foremost to the members and the members overwhelmingly want the bars. You're right, I guess, that people weren't thinking about the bars in the immediate aftermath of one of our worst losses in history, but that doesn't mean it stopped being important to the supporters, at all.

Here's an idea - our Club should stop the talk and announce it when it's done. That's what smart footy clubs do. It's what I want my club to do. And in between something happening in relation to the prison bars - how about producing results on the field to make wearing those bars actually mean something.

F*** this BS notion of announcements and press releases about what you're 'gonna do' or wanna do' achieving something.

It doesn't.

It is, IMHO, the embodiment of limp dick vanillarisation.

Don't Talk. DO!

Then Talk!

Lmao, what talk? When has the club actually said anything of substance about this? The limp dick vanillarisation isn't about talk, it's about results, and like with most aspects of the club, they've failed to get results on this matter.

Without pressure from the supporters, we'd just never wear the bars again. If the club are going to make an announcement, they're doing so because the supporter base and bbtb campaign has pushed them into action.

If the supporters pushing for the bars is too much of a "distraction" for the club to sort the onfield stuff out, then I'd suggest we need some better administrators.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Even by the low standard goal set by the club, not wearing the bars this week would be a direct denial of our request by the AFL and the club should be acknowledging that and publicly sharing the frustration of the supporter base.

 

[Powerade 08]

Even by the low standard goal set by the club, not wearing the bars this week would be a direct denial of our request by the AFL and the club should be acknowledging that and publicly sharing the frustration of the supporter base.

Saying nothing would be a new low for the club. we love hitting new lows, so.

It definitely means Richo is cooked as CEO. like WTF is the point of him?

 

[Mr39]

Saying nothing would be a new low for the club. we love hitting new lows, so.

It definitely means Richo is cooked as CEO. like WTF is the point of him?

He exists to continue the conversation

 

[TeeKray]

Yeah, the silence from the club is cooked.

If anyone is reading, just say something. Anything. Nobody respects weakness. Just put your flag in the ground. A short statement on the website would be at least something.

 

[Festerz]

The club is capable of focusing on more than one thing at a time. They could sack Hinkley, announce they're wearing the bars regardless of penalty AND win the showdown in the next 2 days if they really wanted.

Who gives a shit how the media spin it? The club should be answerable first and foremost to the members and the members overwhelmingly want the bars. You're right, I guess, that people weren't thinking about the bars in the immediate aftermath of one of our worst losses in history, but that doesn't mean it stopped being important to the supporters, at all.



Lmao, what talk? When has the club actually said anything of substance about this? The limp dick vanillarisation isn't about talk, it's about results, and like with most aspects of the club, they've failed to get results on this matter.

Without pressure from the supporters, we'd just never wear the bars again. If the club are going to make an announcement, they're doing so because the supporter base and bbtb campaign has pushed them into action.

If the supporters pushing for the bars is too much of a "distraction" for the club to sort the onfield stuff out, then I'd suggest we need some better administrators.

A well considered and detailed response. Thank you.

Obviously I disagree with much of it but that does not detract from your honesty and passion in compiling what I reckon many members would agree with.

All I can say in response is to ask you and others to take a look back to the events leading to Port Adelaide entering the AFL.

Bruce Weber is and will always remain a hero of our Club for the boldness and foresight in going around the barbed wire installed by the SANFL to keep us down and dealing with the AFL directly.

We all know what happened subsequent to that and the creation of the Adelaide Crows as an AFL team following Supreme Court Action led by the SANFL. The hatred of our club seemed like it was destined to be written into the SA constitution. Our ambition to play in the big league of the AFL destroyed.

But take a look at what the PAFC did subsequent to that rejection.

In particular the installation of Brian Cunningham as CEO and Greg Boulton as Chair. Two intelligent and articulate individuals at the top of PAFC whose love and dedication to their club was never in question but who represented a complete contrast to Bruce Weber. They were cool, calculated and quietly spoken in the media but (as I know full well) absolute lionhearts behind closed doors in getting what they wanted when it mattered. The heavily detailed submission to get that second SA based SA licence was done in private and with the involvement of many - rich in history and facts - attacking no one. And quietly and without fanfare the discussions with the AFL and its member clubs- including those who opposed our initial bid - took place.

IMHO this is why we have our AFL licence.

IMHO this is how we win the debate over wearing our traditional prison bars jumper in home games. By reasoning, respect and understanding the opposition.

No need to shout. Just get the job done.

Thanks for listening.

And apologies to Interstater for bumping the thread again.

 

[Ljc_86]

It’s a lovely sight seeing the swans wear their south Melbourne heritage guernsey tonight. It’s a real credit to the AFL to allow a club to acknowledge their past like this.


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[JimmyBC]

It’s a lovely sight seeing the swans wear their south Melbourne heritage guernsey tonight. It’s a real credit to the AFL to allow a club to acknowledge their past like this.


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Heritage or no heritage no one is gonna whinge about them wearing any design of red & white that's the difference.

 

[Jonts]

So the club was crickets on this?

Typical.

 

[Alex09]

Heritage or no heritage no one is gonna whinge about them wearing any design of red & white that's the difference.

Nice of the AFL to allow the Lions and Crows to share red, blue and yellow so that the Lions can honour their heritage.

 

[JimmyBC]

Nice of the AFL to allow the Lions and Crows to share red, blue and yellow so that the Lions can honour their heritage.

There's no Collingwood type reaction from either of those clubs that's the difference.

 

[John the Butcher]