Toast #BringBackTheBars - Our Heritage, Our History, Our Right! Part 2

[dirty2]

I didn't like teal when I was 14/15 and it got announced ECT...

*Didn't like our Guernsey's that much either...

 

[edgie]

I don't think teal is a fail at all. I think we have a unique identity with it. It's unfortunate that it's been front and centre in some awful branding for us and not used responsibly. I hope teal is always a part of our image.

Just behind black and white.

As for battleship grey, I like that too, but I'd also like to see some silver.

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[PatientMental]

Teal is and will forever conjure up this nightmare image for me

 

[Interstater]

Prior to the addition of teal, the club put forward silver and it was knocked on the head by the afl as it was not contrasting enough from white. We would be having as much of a headache pushing silver bars as we do with white bars.

Teal was sold a lie by our club as its most popular colour because it followed the marketing gurus assessment and the outsiders telling us ad nauseam that we had to move away from black and white if we wanted to grow our supporter base. It was a HUGE fail.

Silver and teal on the PB is not what we've been wearing for more than a century and loving whilst winning bucket loads of premierships.

Mature fair sporting organisations don't waste time with these issues. They have a simple solution, the away team changes strip. We all know this.

If afl clubs can wear identical jumper designs then they can wear identical colour schemes.

As a journo once said, us wearing the B&W PB doesn't make Collingwood any less Collingwood.

The narrative needs to change to be that it is time for Collingwood and the AFL to grow up rather than Port to compromise all and sundry forever.

While I 100% agree, it won't happen during McGuire's lifetime.

Personally I'd prefer grey PB's to waiting another 20+ years with the current chevrons jumper.
IMO the chevrons are simply a placeholder.

 

[Steve Dore]

... Personally I'd prefer grey PB's to waiting another 20+ years ...

The Prison Bars are black and white.

So you are saying you'd rather not wear the Prison Bars than wait 20 years to wear the prison bars.

People wonder why the club is not pushing the Prison Bars issue harder when we have this kind of logic coming from the supporter base.

 

[JimmyBC]

I don't think teal is a fail at all. I think we have a unique identity with it. It's unfortunate that it's been front and centre in some awful branding for us and not used responsibly. I hope teal is always a part of our image.

Just behind black and white.

As for battleship grey, I like that too, but I'd also like to see some silver.

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Yea I'd like to see battleship grey/silver tinkered with a bit, I think a black guernsey with silver & white chevrons could look great.

Somewhere between tarnished battleship grey silver & shiny silver without looking like alfoil.. tricky?

 

[Enviable Tradition]

It's a shit compromise and all it will do is encourage them to say "well if your happy with another colour, why not teal".

It MUST not be formally entertained.

 

[Interstater]

The Prison Bars are black and white.

So you are saying you'd rather not wear the Prison Bars than wait 20 years to wear the prison bars.

People wonder why the club is not pushing the Prison Bars issue harder when we have this kind of logic coming from the supporter base.

I consider the PB's to be the design.
The logic is sound with that perception.

Of course if you consider the PB's to be the design + specific colours then the logic does not make sense.

Not sure why I even have to point that out.

 

[Steve Dore]

I consider the PB's to be the design.
The logic is sound with that perception.

Of course if you consider the PB's to be the design + specific colours then the logic does not make sense.

Not sure why I even have to point that out.

So you don't see the traditional prison bars as being a design but just a pattern that can be produced in multiple colour combinations.

 

[dirty2]

Having an away on Guernsey what is different coloured is fine... But we need to fight for OUR Guernsey the black and white PB's then worry about a clash Guernsey after.

 

[malcheski]

Teal is literally just a 90's marketers wet dream.

-Charlotte Hornets
-Vancouver Grizzlies
-Florida Marlins
-Jacksonville Jaguars
-Mighty Ducks of Anaheim

Its any wonder we went teal when it was all the rage in the states at the time.

 

[bomberclifford]

I consider the PB's to be the design.
The logic is sound with that perception.

Of course if you consider the PB's to be the design + specific colours then the logic does not make sense.

Not sure why I even have to point that out.

So why not teal bars then?
The logic is sound.

 

[JimmyBC]

Teal is literally just a 90's marketers wet dream.

-Charlotte Hornets
-Vancouver Grizzlies
-Florida Marlins
-Jacksonville Jaguars
-Mighty Ducks of Anaheim

Its any wonder we went teal when it was all the rage in the states at the time.

We were forced & couldn't pick a stock blue

Hammer time 90's colour wins out.

 

[Interstater]

So why not teal bars then?
The logic is sound.

Personal preference.
Easier to switch to a lighter shade that resembles white.
Timeless.
Stronger.
Teal is shit.

In my opinion silver PB's >>>> Chevron's with teal.

 

[bomberclifford]

Personal preference.
Easier to switch to a lighter shade that resembles white.
Timeless.
Stronger.

In my opinion silver PB's >>>> Chevron's with teal.

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... and would have the same issues with approval as the original version.

Teal is sh*t.

IMO, people's aversion to teal has less to do with the colour and more to do with the fact that it was seen as being forced onto us.

The fact is its hue has been adjusted to be more of a straight bright blue than real teal and it does distinguish us within our local market as well as on the national stage.

Black, white, blue, and silver is a strong colour combination for branding and marketing without 'tainting' our foundation colours of black and white.

Take away the emotional reaction to the 'imposed' colour and I think most people would see it as a strong and appealing colour combination for a professional sporting club.

 

[Interstater]

... and would have the same issues with approval as the original version.




IMO, people's aversion to teal has less to do with the colour and more to do with the fact that it was seen as being forced onto us.

The fact is its hue has been adjusted to be more of a straight bright blue than real teal and it does distinguish us within our local market as well as on the national stage.

Black, white, blue, and silver is a strong colour combination for branding and marketing without 'tainting' our foundation colours of black and white.

Take away the emotional reaction to the 'imposed' colour and I think most people would see it as a strong and appealing colour combination for a professional sporting club.

The one thing I like about teal is its easier to spot up on a grey day when you are looking to hit up a target.
That can work both ways though.

As I said, its personal preference only.

If we were to run out in black and silver/grey PB's each week I'd go and buy an 11 game membership and a shit tonne of merch today.

 

[Willsy10]

Whilst i very much want to see the black and white bars on the national stage, I don't think the club is foxing when it says it only wants it for showdowns. That appears to be their end game with this. And if we are being honest with ourselves our best case scenario for the short to medium term.

Our current guernsey looks great, but i also think a silver or teal bars on a black guernsey would look pretty cool too. We still have one of the best kits and colour schemes to work with. The Teal hate is weird.

 

[edgie]

If we were to run out in silver and black PBs then we will never run in our black and white ones.

BUT IT LOOKS CLOSE TO WHITE

It isn't though. It's not white. It's not the real deal. And you'll always be someone who was happy to compromise our identity because it was closer than teal. Close enough.

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[edgie]

Anyway Vigilante likes teal and he's cool.

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[Steve Dore]

If we were to run out in silver and black PBs then we will never run in our black and white ones.

The above should read;

"If we were to run out in silver and black guernsey in the same pattern as the PBs then we will never run in the PBs"

I've only been following the PAFC since the 60's but can't recall the Prison Bars ever being anything other than black and white.

Maybe those old black and white photos of Harold Oliver at Adelaide Oval just make the guernsey look black and white when in fact it was actually in a range of colours.

 

[Interstater]

If we were to run out in silver and black PBs then we will never run in our black and white ones.

BUT IT LOOKS CLOSE TO WHITE

It isn't though. It's not white. It's not the real deal. And you'll always be someone who was happy to compromise our identity because it was closer than teal.

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Yep, because I put on my big boy pants and accept that Collingwood were in this particular competition first, and at this stage no team can have the same colours and a similar design to Collingwood and I don't want to wait for Eddie to die before that changes.

Originally the silver wasn't acceptable, there is enough change now to that position.
Look at our away kit.

AFAIK I'm allowed to have a different personal opinion to you, correct?
Your welcome to have the opinion that you are happy to wait another 20 years for the possibility of BWPB's in anything but a home showdown, I'm not that patient.

 

[Sleezy]

Yep, because I put on my big boy pants and accept that Collingwood were in this particular competition first, and at this stage no team can have the same colours and a similar design to Collingwood and I don't want to wait for Eddie to die before that changes.

Originally the silver wasn't acceptable, there is enough change now to that position.
Look at our away kit.

AFAIK I'm allowed to have a different personal opinion to you, correct?
Your welcome to have the opinion that you are happy to wait another 20 years for the possibility of BWPB's in anything but a home showdown, I'm not that patient.

I don't think caving to the unreasonable demands of an irrelevant but loud and well connected lobbyist counts as putting on your big boy pants.

 

[chiwigi]

Yep, because I put on my big boy pants and accept that Collingwood were in this particular competition first, and at this stage no team can have the same colours and a similar design to Collingwood and I don't want to wait for Eddie to die before that changes.

Originally the silver wasn't acceptable, there is enough change now to that position.
Look at our away kit.

AFAIK I'm allowed to have a different personal opinion to you, correct?
Your welcome to have the opinion that you are happy to wait another 20 years for the possibility of BWPB's in anything but a home showdown, I'm not that patient.

Nah, that's literally pussing it.

 

[edgie]

Of course you can have a different opinion.

I just think that opinion compromises any sort of principle. I can have that opinion too. We negotiate and float that we'll accept a silver alternative, it will have those who don't want this licking lips. We would have been successfully talked away from our goal, because 'at least it isn't teal'. And for the rest of eternity, we won't get another chance, because we'll get told that silver is close enough. Our own words back at us.

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[Enviable Tradition]

Of course you can have a different opinion.

I just think that opinion compromises any sort of principle. I can have that opinion too. We negotiate and float that we'll accept a silver alternative, it will have those who don't want this licking lips. We would have been successfully talked away from our goal, because 'at least it isn't teal'. And for the rest of eternity, we won't get another chance, because we'll get told that silver is close enough. Our own words back at us.

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We won't even get Silver is close enough.

Well get you have shown you are happy with a different colour so accept teal or nothing.