Brisbane Lions Trade Talk Thread 2009 (#1)

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Mixed emotions! I think Vossy was tossing up between a premiership and loyaty to there players. In the end he went with the premiership! Bradshaw and Rishitelli will agree to go to Carlton I rekon. Fevola has agreed that is the one that shocked me. He is excited about playing with Brown but no gurantees yet!
 
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Cousin Jed said:
I would have no problem with Fevola playing for the Lions.

Guy's a knob, but that doesn't worry me.
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Agreed.

It will be a shame to see Bradshaw go, but I think we've put the team's welfare ahead of sentiment (which is the right thing to do). I have said for a while that I think Bradshaw is declining quicker than what the majority on here think. His best games for the season were his last three outings. He can definitely still get around out there, but I think the days of him dominating quality opponents are gone. His durability and recovery from injuries is also a concern and I think that this may hinder the quality of his kicking (which I thought was evident in the loss to the Bulldogs in the semi-final).

Fevola on the other hand is relatively injury free (apart from the odd niggle). I think he could well have 5 more years of good football in him (Bradshaw might have 2 years at the most all up, and I believe that he will decline in that time). Fevola is the best pure full-forward in the game and can dominate quality opponents. His pace, I believe, will allow for him to be more effective than Bradshaw when being left one-out inside forward 50m, thus allowing J.Brown to work further up the field whilst still having an an equally potent target inside 50m. I'd also suggest that Fevola is the best set-shot on goal in the game from anywhere inside 60m. If he can maintain a high work-rate of chasing and defensive pressure when we don't have the ball, he will also make a significantly bigger impact than Bradshaw.

I'm a bit disappointed to lose Rischitelli, but I guess he is replaceable. I guess it was either going to be Rischitelli or pick #12, and I'd suggest that we can pick up a better player with #12.

As far as I'm concerned, if the Fevola deal, if it goes through, tips the week's dealings in our favour.

I think that Buchanan is a good pick-up. I have a very good feeling that he will be a good player for us. I reckon Voss probably went for him with the view of him replacing Rischitelli with the subsequent Fevola deal waiting in the wings.

I feel that Raines is a reasonable punt, although, I'd also say that I would have been just as happy to have Wojcinski for the same price to play the same role.

I'd still have passed on Staker, though.
 
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What a joke?

Great way to build culture and lose one of our clubs best for that ********. For all those happy with this trade, just don't be surprised and upset when your Daniel Rich's etc are offered a mint to go back to where they came from because they will sure as hell know that the club will literally get rid of them if something else comes along...irrespective if they signed a contract 2 weeks ago.

Absolutely pathetic. If we are prepared to take Fevola, then why not Cousins and any other low life?

Yep, Vossy is doing wonders for the club.:rolleyes:
 
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Just mentioned on SEN that Carlton have confirmed they're in discussions with Brisbane - to continue tomorrow.
 
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TheBrownDog said:
I do worry about the statement this trade makes though re: Bradshaw. We aren't a sexy club that every player wants to come and play for. We need to counteract that with a culture that rewards loyalty and sacrifice. I suspect this may damage that somewhat.
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You never know though. Maybe the fact that quite a number of players have seemingly wanted to be traded to the Lions this year and a number actually have been traded may end up making us seem like a more attractive prospect for quality players in the future. I suppose it is all contingent on the success of the trades though, and the maintenance of a solid culture and the professionalism of the club once "foreign" players arrive.

If the Fevola deal goes through and it works out to be a great move, star players who are focused on their careers may rethink the perception about Brisbane being the exile team of the league.

The fact that someone like D.Rich has been so positive about being in Brisbane, with him hopefully staying long-term, could also be another similar factor that influences perception.

It wasn't so long ago that Geelong had this issue. I reckon the positive player culture that has developed over the last 3 years, including the success of the Ottens move, along with team success as a whole, would have changed that perception entirely.
 
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Dylan12 said:
What a joke?

Great way to build culture and lose one of our clubs best for that ********. For all those happy with this trade, just don't be surprised and upset when your Daniel Rich's etc are offered a mint to go back to where they came from because they will sure as hell know that the club will literally get rid of them if something else comes along...irrespective if they signed a contract 2 weeks ago.

Absolutely pathetic. If we are prepared to take Fevola, then why not Cousins and any other low life?

Yep, Vossy is doing wonders for the club.:rolleyes:
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Bit of an overreaction don't you think?

What other players have been moved on? One player being offered up for trade doesn't mean that the culture at the club is all ruined. No trade has been done yet.
 
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One trade is not going to put off all the young guys at our club. Bradshaw is a Vic boy, and you have to remember, the players have to agree to the trades as well. Bradshaw probably loves his lions, but im sure would be seriously thinking about playing his last year or two in melb, back in his home state starting to get himself set up post footy. He will probably be on more money at Carlton than we can give him here as well.

Trading off Bradshaw isn't selling our culture away, its one trade that could make sense for all parties invovled. Having said that, even though i know Fevola is the better choice footy wise for our club, i can't help but wish we keep Bradshaw.
 
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Hasn't Bradshaw just started a building company up here with Notting?

If he has officially signed that new two-year deal, he very well may refuse the trade, and he has a right to do so.
 
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TheBrownDog said:
Haha, I texted this news to Warwick. He is refusing to believe me.

He thinks its "Nigel Retires!" all over again.

LMAO.
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ROFL now that's the icing on the cake.


Trade-wise: if that's all it is to it, we're bending over Carlton big time.

Having said that I still don't want Fev. But then given the trades already done, I'm definitely agreeing with anyone that says Voss is selling this year's farm for a tilt in the next two or three years (while GC/WS is dominating the drafts) so I'm not holding my breath that it won't happen.
 

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whatboutbob said:
I really can't see why you're upset by this approach.

As POBT said, disagree with the players that Voss is chasing, but are you really criticising Voss for having a different approach to trading than most other clubs in previous years - where most trades are thwarted because clubs are so scared of being screwed over so they spend the entire week trying to get one over other teams?

Voss had clearly identified the players he wanted to get early, and went about ensuring the trades were done.

Sure, they appear over-value to BF-think, but what does that matter if they provide value on the field, or fill the hole that Voss has identified?

How do you know, for example, that no-one else was interested in Raines? Because Richmond's BF board said so? Oh, well, ok then. That must be true.
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There was an article in Age, Raines came out and said he is heading to queensland no matter what Hardwick says. We were in box seat from there on, no competition. Raines was not in their best 22 either. Had we walked away from dealing for him and picked him up in the PSD, it would have barely registered a blip. We didn't.

Dalziell's trade was forced upon us, but there was no need to play ball with sydney on a three way deal. We could have dealt with Westcoast alone (at worst we would have swapped our 2nd for their 3rd rounder or our 3rd for their 4th), leaving Sydney to work out the Seaby mess. Again, we didn't. Sydney pulled one over us in the end, once they got a crap third rounder from Dogs, promptly came back and took their 39 back for the 47.

Did we atleast tell Richmond we'll complete our trades and handover whatever downgraded third rounders we receive. Nope. All other trades, when we look at trade tracker has a star next to it (picks to be sorted later), ours doesnt. Gave away pick 44 and now stuck with pick 47. Not that the three spots matter, all I am pointing out is we didn't go about thinking these trades through in a better way.

And I am so yesterday, talking about all these trades. Fevola for Bradshaw and Rischitelli. Hmm.. I better not waste my energy, will have some of Weevil's popcorn, sit back and let it unfold.
 
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TheBrownDog said:
Haha, I texted this news to Warwick. He is refusing to believe me.

He thinks its "Nigel Retires!" all over again.

LMAO.
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Thanks, chuckling at that actually managed to shift me out of shock-mode. Someone else now needs to text him and tell him it is BS.
 
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If this turns out we are totally ripping Carlton off.

As mentioned prior.

Bradshaw is declining in value. Yes, it's a shame to lose him, but we will get one, maybe two years out of Bradshaw and we have the two best forwards in the comp in our forward line where we can get 4 - 5 years out of Fevola who will continue to play good football.

A Fevola and Brown combination is more potent than Brown and Bradshaw.

Suddenly, our spine could look like:

Merrett
Henderson
Black
Brown
Fevola

That will be massive.

In: Fevola, Buchanan, Staker, Raines
Out: Bradshaw, Rischitelli, Dalziell

Potentially add to that:

Smith and Clarke losing MacDonald and maybe Hooper?

Suddenly, this week is looking better.

Before people start jumping in at losing Bradshaw - look at things in perspective. Fevola is 10x the player Bradshaw is.

Onto Rischitelli, he's expendable. We still have Stiller, Selwood etc. Although I would have preferred to get rid of one of them instead.
 
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Dylan12 said:
What a joke?

Great way to build culture and lose one of our clubs best for that ********. For all those happy with this trade, just don't be surprised and upset when your Daniel Rich's etc are offered a mint to go back to where they came from because they will sure as hell know that the club will literally get rid of them if something else comes along...irrespective if they signed a contract 2 weeks ago.

Absolutely pathetic. If we are prepared to take Fevola, then why not Cousins and any other low life?

Yep, Vossy is doing wonders for the club.:rolleyes:
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Terrible post.
 
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SEN confirmed that Bradshaw and Rischa have an interview at Visy Park tomorrow.

They also said that it will increase membership and attendances in Brisbane.

Geez I hope we keep our first pick and Hendo. If so, I am officially okay with this.
 
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Just on Tony Kelly folks.

All he said on the B&F night was that he hopes everyone "enjoys the celebrations in a Fevola free environment".

Certainly has no egg on his face if the deal goes through.
 
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I'm a little surprised that Rischitelli is the player offered with Bradshaw considering Carlton have plenty of midfielders. (Gibbs, Judd, Hadley, McLean, Murphy, Scotland) I would have perhaps thought that Joel McDonald would have been offered with Bradshaw, given that Carlton appear to need to improve their defence and McDonald is reported to be prepared to go to a Melbourne based club.
 
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