Brisbane needs help

[FuManchu]

Agree, the club has been very poorly run, Brisbane locals are very fickle for the Lions and Reds if they are playing poorly.

So, what does the AFL do, puts another team in SE Qld and gives them the best player in the comp, a huge marketing allowance for that dud Hunt, a host of first round draft picks and the pick of Qld talent for the first 3 years.

I hate concessions, but in the Lions case, I think they need to be run by the AFL, get a 5% cap increase and a priority pick at a minimum. Or we will endure a basket case for a few footballing generations.

 

[Sausages]

I'm tired of the inequality of the AFL - and before you gloss over the post, I'm not talking about benefits for us. I don't want 'em, anything at all.

The AFL is rapidly becoming a competition where Head Office dictates who will win a flag - we enjoyed COLA for years, built a 3-peat side, had it removed. And have sucked ever since. Too many teams in the competition rely so heavily on handouts that it is a joke.

We should stand or fall on the quality of our administration, our coaching, our academy. When GCS or GWS are suffering a similar fate, their supporters will be calling for handouts. It's pathetic.

IF and a mean a BIG FAT IF, the AFL is a truly national competition, then all clubs should be financially stable and have the capacity to grow their supporter base without resorting to endless cycles of success and subsequent handouts when struggling.

It's for this reason alone that I have the utmost respect for the Tiges. Despite a barren 3 decades, their fans keep turning up, keep buying memberships and keep passionate about the club. We could learn alot from them. I'd happily take Richmond's poor finals performance of the last 30 years in exchange for their financial and fan strength. They are exactly what we need from the Lions.

 

[Hawkers]

To be perfectly honest. A team in Brisbane is not a viable proposition on an even playing field.

This. Do you honestly believe this?

On a completely level playing field there is no place for a team in Brisbane

I'm dumbfounded if that is the case

 

[PuntRoadEnd]

I think we have hit the nail on the head here in regards to current AFL fans who dream about the old VFL. I am guessing you secretly hope West Coast fold as well since they are not Victorian.

whoosh..........................

Thank you keeper

 

[PuntRoadEnd]

That's so stupid it might just work.

Delicious irony

 

[Hawkers]

Wet conditions, in the west, against a team who played the Premiership last year and should be top four.

But no, you're right, it should have been less than a goal between us at full time.

Good call.

I don't believe I mentioned that you should be close to Fremantle or that you should be on top of the ladder

While I admit that the thread was made when I saw the half time score I think the topic merits discussion. You?

 

[Handsuper47]

I'm not fussed with them getting off-field help but leave the draft alone.

 

[FuManchu]

This. Do you honestly believe this?

On a completely level playing field there is no place for a team in Brisbane

I'm dumbfounded if that is the case

Look at their crowds. They are unsustainable at that level. It's also indicative of the level of interest in the game.

At their best, they were outdrawing the Broncos. Of course the Broncos had huge community support to back them up. The die hard Lion supporters and a whole lot of fair weather Klingons made the most of that successful era. But right here, right now is where their true support levels are. And it's telling a story.

 

[iBeng]

I don't believe I mentioned that you should be close to Fremantle or that you should be on top of the ladder

While I admit that the thread was made when I saw the half time score I think the topic merits discussion. You?

We are a team with issues, sure.

I would suggest that St Kilda are in a worse spot than we are. Unfortunately, we could probably use the No1 Draft Pick more, but at this stage they are likely to get it with their performances.

Although we DO have one of the most insane runs to home as far as teams we play. Hell, we play Freo AGAIN for some stupid reason.

 

[tugga]

Never should have sacked voss

He had them playing decent footy, and they were on the up

What is needed, a complete overhaul of their administration, including the entire coaching department
I'd go as far as offering up the team for sale to the qld government

They went within one kick at Kardinia Park, of all places, last year of playing finals. Voss was actually starting to make inroads and was one of the few coaches to quickly learn from his mistakes.
Dogs: 1954
Dees: 1964
Saints: 1966
Tigers: can't even make finals more than once in every decade

Plenty of other clubs needing 'help' too if anyone really wants to look at that way.

 

[Hawkers]

Look at their crowds. They are unsustainable at that level. It's also indicative of the level of interest in the game.

At their best, they were outdrawing the Broncos. Of course the Broncos had huge community support to back them up. The die hard Lion supporters and a whole lot of fair weather Klingons made the most of that successful era. But right here, right now is where their true support levels are. And it's telling a story.

But it's not a level playing field, nowhere near it.

Their success was built off the AFL's teat.
The AFL weened them off that and what we're now seeing a child in distress.
What my (poor) analogy above says that is the AFL got them used to the sweet AFL Success Milk and then took it away. They didn't allow a proper development.

AFL created this problem and they need to fix it. They can't truly fix it because they have their hands, feet, tongues and any other appendages you want to throw at it trying to create a maximum profitable (attendances/money/tv rating) competition while still trying to create a fair and level playing field for all teams.
Those two things (maximum profits and level playing fields) aren't possible

 

[PAFCsince1870]

When will Gold Coast overtake Brisbane in Queensland?

Given the Suns look set for a lot of success in the coming years might not take long at all.

 

[RUNVS]

They went within one kick at Kardinia Park, of all places, last year of playing finals. Voss was actually starting to make inroads and was one of the few coaches to quickly learn from his mistakes.
Dogs: 1954
Dees: 1964
Saints: 1966
Tigers: can't even make finals more than once in every decade

Plenty of other clubs needing 'help' too if anyone really wants to look at that way.

Voss was so disliked that a huge amount of players were trying desperately to get away from the club at the end of last season.

 

[MSB ROYS]

I hate concessions, but in the Lions case, I think they need to be run by the AFL, get a 5% cap increase and a priority pick at a minimum. Or we will endure a basket case for a few footballing generations.

I am not sure about concessions, the big problems IMO is player retention and third party payments.

Only a handful of have returned to Qld to play in the AFL: McIvor to the Bears, Hudson, Raines and MuGuane to the Lions and Harbrow to the Suns. Hopefully, a good player will come through the academy but the next Nick Riewoldt being drafted by the Lions relies upon them finishing very low on the ladder. I think a big reason for not returning is (1) Melbourne is a more exciting place to live when you're younger, (2) extra cash from third party payments and (3) the current training facilities at the Lions are rubbish.

 

[Modified Dog]

It's hard to know what the AFL can do. Maybe at the end of the year, instead of releasing the fixtures, they should just release the Ladder for the 2015 season, by pass the home and away formalities and go straight to a 26 week round-robin finals format for the Top 10 teams.

equal 1st. AFL Lions
equal 1st. AFL Suns
equal 1st. AFL Giants
equal 1st. AFL Swans
equal 1st. AFL Demons
6th. Collingwood
7th. Essendon
8th. Carlton
9th. Richmond
10th. West Coast
-----------------------
11th. Port Adelaide
12th. Fremantle
13th. Hawthorn
14th. Geelong
15th. Adelaide
16th. North Melbourne
17th. Western Bulldogs
18th. St Kilda


They should also look at giving Collingwood more free kicks from the umpires.

It's a bloody disgrace that the Magpies don't get more frees.

 

[legend166]

If the clubs in weaker markets can't compete without help when they reach down times then they need to be shut down for good. They got enough help for the 3 flags.

It's a lot easier for other clubs to keep their players when they go through down times.

When will people get this through their thick skulls?

If you had a competition with absolutely no involvement from the AFL and their attempts at equalisation, we would not have an equal competition. There are huge inherent advantages for certain clubs.

 

[FuManchu]

But it's not a level playing field, nowhere near it.

Their success was built off the AFL's teat.
The AFL weened them off that and what we're now seeing a child in distress.
What my (poor) analogy above says that is the AFL got them used to the sweet AFL Success Milk and then took it away. They didn't allow a proper development.

AFL created this problem and they need to fix it. They can't truly fix it because they have their hands, feet, tongues and any other appendages you want to throw at it trying to create a maximum profitable (attendances/money/tv rating) competition while still trying to create a fair and level playing field for all teams.
Those two things (maximum profits and level playing fields) aren't possible

However they got their 3 flags is irrelevant now. First thing that needs to be addressed is the administration . Brisbane is a great place to live, fantastic place to live. If they got the club running smoothly that would go part way to righting the ship. Player retention will become less of an issue. The AFL should take over running the club in the short to medium term at a minimum.

 

[Lockyer24]

It's a lot easier for other clubs to keep their players when they go through down times.

When will people get this through their thick skulls?

If you had a competition with absolutely no involvement from the AFL and their attempts at equalisation, we would not have an equal competition. There are huge inherent advantages for certain clubs.

Who are all the Swans players heading out the door? They're doing the opposite

 

[Crawb]

Just saying, why would Brisbane get one?

I'm not saying that at all. So I can;t say why.

 

[GumbyRules]

what a lot of supporters from footy states forget is that there are NO third party deals at the lions. It is not and never will be an even competition when this is common. COLA retention allowance whatever you call it is reallly only evening an uneven situation. It is a moot point as the lions for the last few years have only paid 70% of the cap to start with. How would you feel as a supporter if you knew at the start of each and every season your team has no hope of winning how long would you continue to support them.

 

[Suma Magic]

If they finish last thy can have pick one. That's enough help. A PP is not warranted.

And removing the CoLA completely (including the rental allowance) would help even the playing field a bit, and remove the unfair advantage NSW clubs have over Qld clubs.

 

[RUNVS]

what a lot of supporters from footy states forget is that there are NO third party deals at the lions. It is not and never will be an even competition when this is common. COLA retention allowance whatever you call it is reallly only evening an uneven situation. It is a moot point as the lions for the last few years have only paid 70% of the cap to start with. How would you feel as a supporter if you knew at the start of each and every season your team has no hope of winning how long would you continue to support them.

Completely true. If you count third party deals I have no doubt a club like Collingwood would easily pay its players more than anyone else.

 

[RUNVS]

Who are all the Swans players heading out the door? They're doing the opposite

But if we were sitting around 12th we would have a mass of our best players all wanting to go home. On field success helps retain them but without that on field success they would be flocking back to their home states.

 

[Stratton_Gun]

They do need help but as far as I'm concerned they were given 3 flags so they can go and get farked.

 

[Hawkers]

what a lot of supporters from footy states forget is that there are NO third party deals at the lions. It is not and never will be an even competition when this is common. COLA retention allowance whatever you call it is reallly only evening an uneven situation. It is a moot point as the lions for the last few years have only paid 70% of the cap to start with. How would you feel as a supporter if you knew at the start of each and every season your team has no hope of winning how long would you continue to support them.

Not true. You have to pay at least 95%

I support my team no matter what. I don't support my teams admin no matter what.
The AFL is making it harder to support my team no matter what. I can only imagine what it is like to be a Fitzroy supporter