Brisbane needs help

[Damon_3388]

I'm a native South Australian (spent a week on the Gold Coast once, but that's the only time I've been to QLD), and don't class myself as a connoisseur by any means, but I don't actually find XXXX Gold to be that bad. Certainly not as bad as the reputation suggests, anyway.

 

[FuManchu]

How many 'away' games do you play at your home ground?

Where would you have us play Richmond, Hawthorn Melbourne? It's their home ground. Maybe Dubbo suits your low aspirational mentality.

 

[Football Pope]

Where would you have us play Richmond, Hawthorn Melbourne? It's their home ground. Maybe Dubbo suits your low aspirational mentality.

Where do you play Geelong?. You don't play Hawthorn In Tasmania..

 

[FuManchu]

Don't disagree.



Not saying that the pies are at fault for the geography but it is a clear advantage that you get to play 17 games in Melbourne plus a large amount of big earning fixtures thrown in that a club like mine just simply don't enjoy. The fixture is one of the most unequal parts of this league.

Collingwood ask for certain games in their 11 home games. After that we have no say in what happens. We travel 5 times, so that leaves 6 games that we play amongst the other 10 Vic clubs who campaign heavily to get a home game against us. We proportionally play the lesser amount interstate teams away more than we do the greater number of Vic clubs in Melbourne.

Do you consider that an inequality too?

 

[Simba Moyo]

Where would you have us play Richmond, Hawthorn Melbourne? It's their home ground. Maybe Dubbo suits your low aspirational mentality.

Swing and a miss. You say you have 11 home games, you play 14 games at the MCG and 17 games in total in Melbourne. All of this gifted to Collingwood for 'blockbuster' games and ANZAC/Queens birthday games.. but no, acadamies are an unfair advantage.

 

[FuManchu]

Where do you play Geelong?. You don't play Hawthorn In Tasmania..

Hawthorn would request the game at the venue where it maximises their profit. Geelong used to, but that may now be different now they have a bigger stadium. But we don't have a say in where our away games are.

 

[Damon_3388]

How many 'away' games do you play at your home ground?

Mathematics say it's pretty much unavoidable for Victorian-based teams to do this though.

 

[Football Pope]

Collingwood ask for certain games in their 11 home games. After that we have no say in what happens. We travel 5 times, so that leaves 6 games that we play amongst the other 10 Vic clubs who campaign heavily to get a home game against us. We proportionally play the lesser amount interstate teams away more than we do the greater number of Vic clubs in Melbourne.

Do you consider that an inequality too?

The AFL and it's clubs agrees as per the following principles as the basis for a new competitive balance model for the AFL competition:

7. Supplementary funds are required in addition to increased revenue sharing to address structural inequities eg: - fixture cycle, stadia deal, supporter base size, non-football businesses


10. No club to be unfairly disadvantaged by the new competitive balance policy

 

[FuManchu]

Swing and a miss. You say you have 11 home games, you play 14 games at the MCG and 17 games in total in Melbourne. All of this gifted to Collingwood for 'blockbuster' games and ANZAC/Queens birthday games.. but no, acadamies are an unfair advantage.

We don't have academies, why should you?

We don't make any money from QB, because that's been a melb home game for near on a decade.

We get an Anzac game every second yr. we don't get income every yr from it. I can do without the Anzac game because I know every time we play Essendon, we get 70-75k. We could play them anytime in the fixture and still draw a crowd. We could be bottom of the ladder and still draw a crowd.

Your problem is your lack of success, not our success.

 

[Simba Moyo]

Collingwood ask for certain games in their 11 home games. After that we have no say in what happens. We travel 5 times, so that leaves 6 games that we play amongst the other 10 Vic clubs who campaign heavily to get a home game against us. We proportionally play the lesser amount interstate teams away more than we do the greater number of Vic clubs in Melbourne.

Do you consider that an inequality too?

Due to the Fitzroy merger agreement Brisbane are to play 6 games in Melbourne, the AFL has broken this agreement on numerous occasions. Last season we played 4 games in Melbourne, this season 5. We're constantly required to play Hawthorn in Tasmania, and we played Melbourne in Darwin as well as St. Kilda in New Zealand this season. The AFL constantly overlooks the inequalities of the game to do whats 'best for business' which usually means what's best for Collingwood and the other bigger clubs. The fact that Collingwood ask for certain games for their home games, yet we cannot even get our number of games required per the Fitzroy agreement is a joke.

 

[Lion for Life]

Collingwood ask for certain games in their 11 home games. After that we have no say in what happens. We travel 5 times, so that leaves 6 games that we play amongst the other 10 Vic clubs who campaign heavily to get a home game against us. We proportionally play the lesser amount interstate teams away more than we do the greater number of Vic clubs in Melbourne.

Do you consider that an inequality too?

Look, you can argue til you're blue in the face it doesn't change the fact that by the very nature of your clubs positioning and size in a national comp will always create an inequity and gift you circumstances that a club like the Lions simply won't gain.

 

[Football Pope]

Hawthorn would request the game at the venue where it maximises their profit. Geelong used to, but that may now be different now they have a bigger stadium. But we don't have a say in where our away games are.

I'd disagree, when was the last time you traveled to play all interstate teams in a season?

 

[FuManchu]

The AFL and it's clubs agrees as per the following principles as the basis for a new competitive balance model for the AFL competition:

7. Supplementary funds are required in addition to increased revenue sharing to address structural inequities eg: - fixture cycle, stadia deal, supporter base size, non-football businesses


10. No club to be unfairly disadvantaged by the new competitive balance policy

Once again, tax us, change the fixture, do all that, it still won't fix the malaise your club is in. We will still only get 11 home games from which we draw revenue. Any other revenues will be due to our hard work and stability.

 

[Simba Moyo]

We don't have academies, why should you?

Because we're growing the game in a non-football state, are you?

 

[James North]

Because we're growing the game in a non-football state, are you?

It's so that Collingwood can draft them.

 

[FuManchu]

I'd disagree, when was the last time you traveled to play all interstate teams in a season?

Disagree all you want. There are 8 interstate clubs, we travel 5 times. There are another 9 Vic clubs and we play away games against 6 of those. That seems about the right ratio. We don't make any money from any of those away games.

If you don't like the fact that 10 clubs are so close, petition the league to get them shifted. Or hope for some major earth shifting event.

 

[FuManchu]

Because we're growing the game in a non-football state, are you?

You had 3 flags and that did squat. The way you run things up there it will end up being a fast lane into the other codes. I think the way Brisbane handled their success, the less you have to do with football, the better off we all are

 

[Lion for Life]

Disagree all you want. There are 8 interstate clubs, we travel 5 times. There are another 9 Vic clubs and we play away games against 6 of those. That seems about the right ratio. We don't make any money from any of those away games.

If you don't like the fact that 10 clubs are so close, petition the league to get them shifted. Or hope for some major earth shifting event.

Why is it so hard to admit that whether or not it's the fault of Collingwood, that you still enjoy inequities in the fixture that clubs outside of vic simply do not enjoy? Jeez, even some of the other clubs in Melbourne don't get even close to the Pies cushy ride

 

[Simba Moyo]

You had 3 flags and that did squat. The way you run things it will end up being a fast lane into the other codes.

The academy is a program designed to have an avenue to kids to play AFL who would normally play other codes, so really the way we're running this it's a fast lane OUT of other codes. Enter Archie Smith, son of star Brisbane Bullets player Andre Moore and was on his way to play in the NBL. The Brisbane Lions Academy identified him and gave him an opportunity to give AFL a go, he loved it and has been rookie listed and is flourishing. But that's only one case, there are hundreds of kids apart of all the academies that would be affiliated with another code if it weren't for these progams. These academies are vital to growing the game in northern states so in the future there will be a greater number of NSW/QLD kids in the national draft for all clubs to draft and limited the 'go home factor' aspect of our sport.

 

[FuManchu]

Why is it so hard to admit that whether or not it's the fault of Collingwood, that you still enjoy inequities in the fixture that clubs outside of vic simply do not enjoy? Jeez, even some of the other clubs in Melbourne don't get even close to the Pies cushy ride

I believe Collingwood having to compete with 9 other Melbourne clubs in a city of 4.35 million for their revenue is a lot bloody harder than the 2.2mill you have to yourself but managed to disenfranchise .

Now that is an inequality you haven't mentioned, isn't it!!

 

[Football Pope]

We don't have academies, why should you?

We don't make any money from QB, because that's been a melb home game for near on a decade.

We get an Anzac game every second yr. we don't get income every yr from it. I can do without the Anzac game because I know every time we play Essendon, we get 70-75k. We could play them anytime in the fixture and still draw a crowd. We could be bottom of the ladder and still draw a crowd.

Your problem is your lack of success, not our success.

See there lies the problem...ignorance...Rugby League is far the more popular sport north of the border..Why not develop local talent...FFS we have international recruits... if we want to keep local talent we still need to go through a bidding system similar to father-son...

The AFL wanted to expand the game.. they put a team there and bad management on their part and not enough over-viewing from its shareholders, (its clubs), have got it to where it is today....Not too many multi million dollar industries would leave their frontier division to fester...Your tale aint cutting the mustard...

The Maguire run competition is an expansion of a Victorian model where expansion clubs are there to boost game percentages and a place where its older players can retire at the expense of the expansion clubs, nurtured, young talent...Once the Expansion clubs won a couple of premierships the infighting of Victorian centric buffoons to stop a national competition of any evenness.. and has created the problem we have today..

 

[Lion for Life]

I believe Collingwood having to compete with 9 other Melbourne clubs in a city of 4.35 million for their revenue is a lot bloody harder than the 2.2mill you have to yourself but managed to disenfranchise .

Now that is an inequality you haven't mentioned, isn't it!!

It's pretty naive to think that your clubs only market share exists soley within Melbourne

 

[FuManchu]

The academy is a program designed to have an avenue to kids to play AFL who would normally play other codes, so really the way we're running this it's a fast lane OUT of other codes. Enter Archie Smith, son of star Brisbane Bullets player Andre Moore and was on his way to play in the NBL. The Brisbane Lions Academy identified him and gave him an opportunity to give AFL a go, he loved it and has been rookie listed and is flourishing. But that's only one case, there are hundreds of kids apart of all the academies that would be affiliated with another code if it weren't for these progams. These academies are vital to growing the game in northern states so in the future there will be a greater number of NSW/QLD kids in the national draft for all clubs to draft and limited the 'go home factor' aspect of our sport.

i know what the bloody academy does. But just as you reap the rewards of the hard work done down here at draft time, we should share equally with what is available to everyone.

'Go home factor' .... they weren't looking to go home when you were winning flags. Once again, the problem lies within, not external factors. We have many interstaters who have the same desires to go back home. Some will, some won't. Circle of life, just provide an environment where they are happy instead of neglecting their welfare which had been a hallmark of The Lions recently.

 

[FuManchu]

It's pretty naive to think that your clubs only market share exists soley within Melbourne

Who are your clubs major sponsors?

In fact, you have the enviable position of supporters in 2 major cities.

 

[Simba Moyo]

i know what the bloody academy does. But just as you reap the rewards of the hard work done down here at draft time, we should share equally with what is available to everyone.

'Go home factor' .... they weren't looking to go home when you were winning flags. Once again, the problem lies within, not external factors. We have many interstaters who have the same desires to go back home. Some will, some won't. Circle of life, just provide an environment where they are happy instead of neglecting their welfare which had been a hallmark of The Lions recently.

You can share with what's available, bid for them.

And they were looking to go home when we were winning flags. Des Headland anybody? The academy helps LIMIT the issue of the go home factor, which is much more prevalent in states with a low number of draftees available.