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If Brisbane weren't forced to travel for a home PF in 2004 then who knows.....
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If Brisbane weren't forced to travel for a home PF in 2004 then who knows.....
So what you're saying is that every team in the competition had their talent diluted, so nobody was any good, especially the grand finalists?
Where did Lance Franklin play for legs 2&3 of the Hawks 3 peat I wonder, and what advantage did the Hawks have in the years leading up to the 'dilution of talent' people keep talking about?
The AFL has been pulling more and more athletic, highly skilled kids into it's recruitment system as time has progressed. There have never been so many highly athletic and skilled players playing the game, or getting into the system.
If you want to talk diluted talent, go back and look at the years when the VFA was paying players more money than the VFL.
Or when the Eagles/Crows/Port came in after stockpiling players, in a tiny fishbowl of a competition so that they were up and running with solid teams in a way that GWS and GC would have envied.
With less talent in the pool than their is now to boot.
Your. Argument. Makes..... sense....
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Yeh, if only there was a tiebreaker. Like if one of the clubs had won an extra flag shortly before or after the 3 peat
The overall talent in the league was diluted, meaning the comp as a whole was generally weaker across the 18 teams, not stronger. Top young talent pooled to the easybeat expansion clubs, rather than strengthening existing clubs; players were taken from existing clubs, weakening the lists of several clubs; and a bunch of 'not-good-enough' players, who would have otherwise been squeezed out of the comp, retained their place on an AFL list.
As for specific teams, take Geelong and Ablett - a strong team in Geelong are weakened and Gold Coast made stronger, but GC are still a weak team who finish bottom of the ladder. Again, the comp for a flag was weakened. It's like a swimming relay race - take Phelps out of the top ranked US squad and put him in with the Kenyans and all it does is weaken the field. The Kenyans don't make it passed the heats, so Phelps pretty much just steps out of the equation, meanwhile the US squad is significantly weakened. This makes it easier for teams ranked 2-5 to win gold, not harder. As for how this plays out for the Hawks, throw Ablett in that 2013 PF you won from Geelong by a kick and the result might be different.
Ifs and buts with Ablett I know, but one thing is for sure, just citing an 18-team comp as an automatic inference of greater difficultly is a poorly conceived notion. Reality is more likely the opposite.
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How did Brisbane go with their tilt at a 5th consecutive GF?
Did they even make the finals in 2005?
Brisbane got comfortably closer to a 4peat than the Hawks did.
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And at the end, it's still three in a row a piece.
If it's a measuring contest you're after, 5 prelims in a row is a pretty good size - has your length, width and girth well and truly covered!
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6 finals in a row (2011-2016) vs 5 finals in a row (2000-2004)
4 consecutive seasons as the highest scoring team 2012, 2013, 2014 and 2015 (Brisbane never achieved that feat). Hawthorn's average winning margin was greater then Brisbane's.
2x Coleman medalists Franklin 2008 & 2011, Roughead 2013
Without a doubt the Hawks forward-line of 2011-2015 is the greatest of the modern era.
Backs: Brisbane
Midfield: Brisbane
Forward-line: Hawthorn
Overall list: Hawthorn
Coach: Clarkson
4 consecutive seasons as the highest scoring team 2012, 2013, 2014 and 2015 (Brisbane never achieved that feat). Hawthorn's average winning margin was greater then Brisbane's.
2x Coleman medalists Franklin 2008 & 2011, Roughead 2013
Without a doubt the Hawks forward-line of 2011-2015 is the greatest of the modern era.
Backs: Brisbane
Midfield: Brisbane
Forward-line: Hawthorn
Overall list: Hawthorn
Coach: Clarkson
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objectively disagree. the flag that would have secured the fourpeat the lions lost by 40 while the hawks lost by 10
Carlton has been stockpiling #1 draft picks and talent for years. They are still winning spoon after spoon. So yeh, doesn't stack up.
Hawks went within 10 pts of 4thorn. How close did Brisbane get again?
Big difference between a team entering into a GF knowing they could with their 4th GF (2004) in a row and a team entering their first GF (2012).
You're kidding yourself if you don't think so.
No, they didn't...
Brisbane lead at half time in their GF in a bid to win their 4th GF in a row (2004).
The Hawks lead at half time in a SF in a bid to win their 4th GF in a row (2016).
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How many did Brisbane win in a row again?
I had the first 5 numbers in lotto, missed out on the 6th - is the same result as I missed my first number in lotto but got my next 5.
WOW!
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In any case, if I have more money to by more tickets for lotto than the next person, my odds of winning are greater. Hence, Brisbane were gifted better odds to win 3 in a row given the salary cap advantages they had over 14 other clubs.
20 games was the Lions best winning streak
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20 games was the Lions best winning streak
Not sure the question being asked is who won the most amount of games in a row. If it was, the extra salary cap would obviously give you the advantage.
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I don't care.
Both were extraordinary teams.
Why try to separate them for the purpose of a ****ing contest?
Happy to call it all square and appreciate both.
Both were extraordinary teams.
Why try to separate them for the purpose of a ****ing contest?
Happy to call it all square and appreciate both.
To be fair to Hawthorn, they beat some great sides in 2013-2015
Prelims
2013: Geelong
2014: Adelaide
2015: Fremantle
Grand Finals
2013: Fremantle
2014: Sydney Swans
2015: West Coast
If you look at that they had to beat teams from 4 states (3 WA, 1 NSW, 1 SA & 1 VIC) in their 6 biggest finals during this era - including beating Fremantle away from home in a Preliminary Final!
Pretty good huh.
Who did Brisbane have to beat?
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We lost in 2012 to a freak kick by Malceski.
Brisbane got their pants systematically pulled down by Choco's chokers and embarrassed on the national stage when they tried to resort to a punch up.
Cool.
At least Brisbane made it to the GF in an attempt to 4-peat. The hawks could only muster a SF loss.
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