Traded Brodie Grundy [Traded to Melbourne for #27]

[RJK Tiger]

Held the club to ransom.

If his deal was anyway reasonable 17 clubs would have been lining up offering us great deals.

Instead 1 club would take him
With a poor pick after we pay a huge chunk of his salary.

You're deluded.

For him to be traded, he needed to agree to the move. So that eliminates all the interstate teams, as he clearly commited mentally to living in Melbourne when he signed the 5 year deal. So that removes 8 teams.

Then you eliminate the teams he almost definitely does not want to go to as they arein utter chaos & a shitshow - Nth, Essendon, St Kilda, Hawks. (12)

Geelong not in the market as they didn;'t really need him & needed pick 7 more to future rebuild (13)

Richmond was heavily committed to Hopper *& Taranto already (14)

Carlton have no cap space after poaching Acres, Williams, Cerra, Saad etc (15)


The 2 teams that only ever made sense for Grundy to agree to play for was the Dogs & the Dee' Dogs are already getting the Pies to pay Treloars contract.... So the Dee's were the only team in a position to consider it that Grundy would actually want to play for.

I think the deal is a good one for the Dee's if his body is right. To only get a 27th pick & still pay a portion of his contract in the process for a guy you only re-signed a year ago is a absolute nightmare result for Collingwood. Love the rhetoric of the clubs. They make a $5m "boo boo" and they try to sell it as a win

 

[10571z]

You're deluded.

For him to be traded, he needed to agree to the move. So that eliminates all the interstate teams, as he clearly commited mentally to living in Melbourne when he signed the 5 year deal. So that removes 8 teams.

Then you eliminate the teams he almost definitely does not want to go to as they arein utter chaos & a shitshow - Nth, Essendon, St Kilda, Hawks. (12)

Geelong not in the market as they didn;'t really need him & needed pick 7 more to future rebuild (13)

Richmond was heavily committed to Hopper *& Taranto already (14)

Carlton have no cap space after poaching Acres, Williams, Cerra, Saad etc (15)


The 2 teams that only ever made sense for Grundy to agree to play for was the Dogs & the Dee' Dogs are already getting the Pies to pay Treloars contract.... So the Dee's were the only team in a position to consider it that Grundy would actually want to play for.

I think the deal is a good one for the Dee's if his body is right. To only get a 27th pick & still pay a portion of his contract in the process for a guy you only re-signed a year ago is a absolute nightmare result for Collingwood. Love the rhetoric of the clubs. They make a $5m "boo boo" and they try to sell it as a win

3-4 years ago 17 other clubs would have been trying to get him as top priority.

Not even a whisper of any other club throwing their hat in the ring this time around.

Rumour is we are paying 135k a year. If true we have done seriously well getting him off the books

 

[Lampers]

3-4 years ago 17 other clubs would have been trying to get him as top priority.

Not even a whisper of any other club throwing their hat in the ring this time around.

Rumour is we are paying 135k a year. If true we have done seriously well getting him off the books

Not a whisper? Aside from GWS, Geelong and Port that is.

Getting a nice, but not great pick, and paying 135k a year to lose a player who has proven AA ability and should have at least three good years left in him is not a win. No matter how much spin someone tries to put on it.

I’m not convinced it’s a win for Melbourne either. It’s a lot of cap space tied up in two players, each of whom play the same preferred position.

I could see this being a lose/lose, but I can’t see how Collingwood win this one. Even if Grundy gets injured and never plays another game, that’s just bad luck and nothing to do with the trade.

If Collingwood’s “win” is getting out of an appalling list management position, and back to a relatively unencumbered position, we’ll I guess that’s a win of sorts. It’s a bit like punching a hole in your plaster wall, then paying someone to fix it - you’re in a better position than having a hole in the wall, but are you really winning overall?

 

[nineteen eighty]

Bargain for the Dees. Pick 27 and pies picking up some of the contract. Not convinced on Gawn as a forward if that’s the plan. But with 5 on the bench and no sub rule you could more easily play 2 rucks.

Yeah that's the thing...could be a brilliant move by the coaching staff at the Dees in playing 2 AA rucks together OR it could backfire enormously.

Intrigued to see how it plays out. I'm an ex ruck and love the big fellas. Four only on the bench and I would say it can't work. Five on the bench however and it could be a master-stroke. Good on the Demons for giving it a crack.

 

[GoTheSwannies]

Held the club to ransom.

If his deal was anyway reasonable 17 clubs would have been lining up offering us great deals.

Instead 1 club would take him
With a poor pick after we pay a huge chunk of his salary.

The club realised they messed up and needed to offload him. He would have acted in good faith when he initially signed the contract. Collingwood just paid overs at the time. Although, in saying that, seemed like Grundy always wanted to stay at the pies, so was probably just leveraging those other deals to get the max out of Collingwood. But at the end of the day, it was Collingwood that created the situation.

 

[10571z]

The club realised they messed up and needed to offload him. He would have acted in good faith when he initially signed the contract. Collingwood just paid overs at the time. Although, in saying that, seemed like Grundy always wanted to stay at the pies, so was probably just leveraging those other deals to get the max out of Collingwood. But at the end of the day, it was Collingwood that created the situation.

If I ask my boss for a pay rise and promise the world I need to deliver.

It’s quite simple. He didn’t deliver, not even close.

He wanted to be a top 5 paid player and isn’t isnt in the top 30 players in the league.

 

[10571z]

Not a whisper? Aside from GWS, Geelong and Port that is.

Getting a nice, but not great pick, and paying 135k a year to lose a player who has proven AA ability and should have at least three good years left in him is not a win. No matter how much spin someone tries to put on it.

I’m not convinced it’s a win for Melbourne either. It’s a lot of cap space tied up in two players, each of whom play the same preferred position.

I could see this being a lose/lose, but I can’t see how Collingwood win this one. Even if Grundy gets injured and never plays another game, that’s just bad luck and nothing to do with the trade.

If Collingwood’s “win” is getting out of an appalling list management position, and back to a relatively unencumbered position, we’ll I guess that’s a win of sorts. It’s a bit like punching a hole in your plaster wall, then paying someone to fix it - you’re in a better position than having a hole in the wall, but are you really winning overall?

Losing a player to clear a million a year off our books.

Very happy he is gone.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Until a reliable source comes out Pies fans are always going to be saying they are paying less than 150k and he took a cut…..while the media and everyone one else have valued the amount at close to the 300k range. I am believing everyone else at this stage rather than just the Pies supporters who lower the amount they are paying as a coping mechanism for a really bad deal which is no fault of the current board but they have to deal with it.

Media hasn't stated 300K. They guessed before the deal was done.

 

[David C]

Pies no where near paying 300k.

700K at most all up.

Pies cleared their cap essentially and than get Mitchell paid half by Hawks.

Cheers for the business Dees.

Why post rubbish you know nothing about?

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

The club realised they messed up and needed to offload him. He would have acted in good faith when he initially signed the contract. Collingwood just paid overs at the time. Although, in saying that, seemed like Grundy always wanted to stay at the pies, so was probably just leveraging those other deals to get the max out of Collingwood. But at the end of the day, it was Collingwood that created the situation.

Agree Collingwood created the situation. However they have tired to fix it over the last 2 years. The guy in charge of contracts was fired 6 months after that contract was done (2 years ago). He caused a lot of issues and cost Collingwood Treloar (900K a season), Stephenson (600K a sseason), Phillips (600K a season) and Grundy (950K a season). Hopefully all the issues around contracts are finished now.

 

[PieLebo87]

Why post rubbish you know nothing about?

You have anything reliable proving otherwise?

To ensure the trade to Melbourne went ahead. It’s not that hard to comprehend.

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[Shadow89]

From the horse's mouth:

 

[Demon in Hell]

D'Orazio told AFL Trade Radio that a cut to Grundy's lucrative seven-year contract was never part of discussions with the Magpies before the trade to Melbourne was agreed.

 

[Cudi]

To ensure the trade to Melbourne went ahead. It’s not that hard to comprehend.

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Isn't this some random "AFL Trade News" page? I haven't seen it reported by any jounros or official AFL page.

Doesn't add up that Dees would pay over 1 million a season for second ruck.

 

[PieLebo87]

Isn't this some random "AFL Trade News" page? I haven't seen it reported by any jounros or official AFL page.

Doesn't add up that Dees would pay over 1 million a season for second ruck.

So it’s believable that the Pies have accepted way unders for Grundy whilst contributing $300k per year for 5 years, but not believable that the Dees paid way unders to take on majority of his contract?

Nowhere in the media has there even been confirmation Collingwood would pay $300k - all of it is rumours. No one rumour is more reputable than the other unless there is official word from the club or AFL directly.

 

[Demon in Hell]

Look at the Collingwood supporters trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear.

Just another Ned Guy stuff up that Wright is now cleaning up.

$1.5m over 5 years to play for another club, Collingwood have been dry rooted in this trade.

 

[PieLebo87]

Look at the Collingwood supporters trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear.

Just another Ned Guy stuff up that Wright is now cleaning up.

$1.5m over 5 years to play for another club, Collingwood have been dry rooted in this trade.

All I took from that is…

“I’m super inadequate, and I refuse to believe my club did a trade with Collingwood that was beneficial to Collingwood whereby they only had to pay $650k for the remainder of his contract. THEY HAVE TO BE PAYING $1.5M!!! YOU’RE CRYING, NOT ME!!!”

 

[windyhill]

“Pie for life”

 

[Lore]

 

[zeggie]

Nek minnit, Pies reneg on what they have to pay. Happened with Treloar

Man their list management has been dogshit.

 

[PieLebo87]

Nek minnit, Pies reneg on what they have to pay. Happened with Treloar

Man their list management has been dogshit.

Take your pick, are they dogshit for offering him a contract that was way overs or for getting rid of that contract and getting a second rounder?

Geez people talk trash sometimes.

 

[Stabby McGee]

So it’s believable that the Pies have accepted way unders for Grundy whilst contributing $300k per year for 5 years, but not believable that the Dees paid way unders to take on majority of his contract?

Nowhere in the media has there even been confirmation Collingwood would pay $300k - all of it is rumours. No one rumour is more reputable than the other unless there is official word from the club or AFL directly.

What I heard was 300K was a starting point BUT depending on the pick offer. ie if it was a first rounder... sure. #27 means around 150K. If we had have offered a pick in the mid 40's then we'd pick up everything (not that I think a mid 40's pick would have been acceptable to Collingwood, or $1M acceptable to us, but just an illustration)
Not gospel by any means, but it makes sense to me that way.

 

[PieLebo87]

What I heard was 300K was a starting point BUT depending on the pick offer. ie if it was a first rounder... sure. #27 means around 150K. If we had have offered a pick in the mid 40's then we'd pick up everything (not that I think a mid 40's pick would have been acceptable to Collingwood, or $1M acceptable to us, but just an illustration)
Not gospel by any means, but it makes sense to me that way.

Exactly right.

A pick in the 40s for Melbourne to take on everything if it meant Collingwood could have also added a Sam Hayes wouldn’t have been out of the realms of possibility, but the aesthetics of it would’ve probably been really bad for Collingwood.

Melbourne’s late raid tells us they have done extremely well with their cap management either way.

 

[PieLebo87]

Listening to Graeme Wright post trade period, seems as though we’ve bitten the bullet with Grundy’s contract and sacrificed Fiorini by dumping the full $650k owed into 2023’s cap so we can free that money up straight away at the end of 2023. Potentially looking for a big fish via FA next year, the Pies.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Listening to Graeme Wright post trade period, seems as though we’ve bitten the bullet with Grundy’s contract and sacrificed Fiorini by dumping the full $650k owed into 2023’s cap so we can free that money up straight away at the end of 2023. Potentially looking for a big fish via FA next year, the Pies.

Will be interesting to see how you top this years big fish McStay.