Brownlow Medal 2010 (Part 1)

[Damon_3388]

Re: Brownlow Medal 2010

Just out of interest, here's how this weeks votes went going by the Champion Data Player Ranking scores. Just the three highest individual CPDRS from each game (running tallies are in parentheses), with no consideration for the scoreline. I also included a progressive leaderboard created by the same method too.

Round 11

Richmond vs. St Kilda
3. Brendon Goddard (St Kilda) (12)
2. Leigh Montagna (St Kilda) (11)
1. Stephen Milne (St Kilda) (3)

Carlton vs. Melbourne
3. Cameron Bruce (Melbourne) (4)
2. Jarrad Waite (Carlton) (2)
1. Ryan Houlihan (Carlton) (3)

Adelaide vs. Fremantle
3. Graham Johncock (Adelaide) (8)
2. Michael Barlow (Fremantle) (14)
1. Scott Thompson (Adelaide) (1)

North Melbourne vs. Brisbane
3. Travis Johnstone (Brisbane) (4)
2. Tom Rockliff (Brisbane) (2)
1. Brent Harvey (Brisbane)

West Coast vs. Geelong
3. Paul Chapman (Geelong) (13)
2. Joel Selwood (Geelong) (6)
1. Beau Waters (West Coast) (1)

Sydney vs. Essendon
3. Jude Bolton (Sydney) (5)
2. Andrew Welsh (Essendon) (2)
1. Mark McVeigh (Essendon) (1)

Hawthorn vs. Port Adelaide
3. Luke Hodge (Hawthorn) (19)
2. Travis Boak (Port Adelaide) (8)
1. Danyle Pearce (Port Adelaide) (1)

Collingwood vs. Western Bulldogs
3. Matthew Boyd (Western Bulldogs) (6)
2. Scott Pendlebury (Collingwood) (5)
1. Daniel Cross (Western Bulldogs) (3)

Leaderboard
Luke Hodge (Hawthorn) - 19 (6 BOGs)
Gary Ablett (Geelong) - 17 (4 BOGs)
Michael Barlow (Fremantle) - 14 (3 BOGs)
Paul Chapman (Geelong) - 13 (2 BOGs)
Brendon Goddard (St Kilda) - 12 (2 BOGs)
Leigh Montagna (St Kilda) - 11 (2 BOGs)
Jonathan Brown (Brisbane) - 10 (3 BOGs)
Jobe Watson (Essendon) - 10 (2 BOGs)
Chris Judd (Carlton) - 10 (2 BOGs)
Aaron Sandilands (Fremantle) - 9 (1 BOG)
Matthew Pavlich (Fremantle) - 9 (2 BOGs)
Nick Dal Santo (St Kilda) - 9 (1 BOG)
Brian Lake (Western Bulldogs) - 8 (2 BOGs)
Graham Johncock (Adelaide) - 8 (2 BOGs)
Travis Boak (Port Adelaide) - 8 (2 BOGs)
Daniel Giansiracusa (Western Bulldogs) - 7 (2 BOGs)
Jimmy Bartel (Geelong) - 7 (2 BOGs)
James McDonald (Melbourne) - 7 (1 BOG)
Nick Riewoldt (St Kilda) - 6 (2 BOGs)
Nick Malceski (Sydney) - 6 (1 BOG)
Simon Black (Brisbane) - 6 (2 BOGs)
Dane Swan (Collingwood) - 6 (2 BOGs)
Travis Cloke (Collingwood) - 6 (2 BOGs)
Andrew Swallow (North Melbourne) - 6 (2 BOGs)
Richard Douglas (Adelaide) - 6 (2 BOGs)
Joel Selwood (Geelong) - 6
Matthew Boyd (Western Bulldogs) - 6 (1 BOG)
Lindsay Gilbee (Western Bulldogs) - 5 (1 BOG)
Brent Stanton (Essendon) - 5 (1 BOG)
Heath Shaw (Collingwood) - 5
Steve Johnson (Geelong) - 5 (1 BOG)
Adam Cooney (Western Bulldogs) - 5 (1 BOG)
Jack Trengove (Melbourne) - 5 (1 BOG)
James Podsiadly (Geelong) - 5 (1 BOG)
Jude Bolton (Sydney) - 5 (1 BOG)
Scott Pendlebury (Collingwood) - 5
Michael Rischitelli (Brisbane) - 4 (1 BOG)
Kade Simpson (Carlton) - 4 (1 BOG)
Jordan Russell (Carlton) - 4 (BOG)
Eddie Betts (Carlton) - 4 (1 BOG)
Matt Priddis (West Coast) - 4
Andrew Carrazzo (Carlton) - 4
Kieren Jack (Sydney) - 4
Daniel Hannebery (Sydney) - 4 (1 BOG)
Jamie Bennell (Melbourne) - 4
Lenny Hayes (St Kilda) - 4 (1 BOG)
Barry Hall (Western Bulldogs) - 4
Shane Tuck (Richmond) - 4 (1 BOG)
Domenic Cassisi (Port Adelaide) - 4
Paul Duffield (Fremantle) - 4
Cameron Bruce (Melbourne) - 4 (1 BOG)
Travis Johnstone (Brisbane) - 4 (1 BOG)
Kane Cornes (Port Adelaide) - 3 (1 BOG)
Brad Green (Melbourne) - 3 (1 BOG)
Ryan O’Keefe (Sydney) - 3 (1 BOG)
Simon Goodwin (Adelaide) - 3 (1 BOG)
Jared Brennan (Brisbane) - 3 (1 BOG)
Jack Riewoldt (Richmond) - 3 (1 BOG)
Ryan Griffen (Western Bulldogs) - 3
Stephen Gilham (Hawthorn) - 3 (1 BOG)
Daniel Bradshaw (Sydney) - 3
Luke Ball (Collingwood) - 3 (1 BOG)
Josh J. Kennedy (West Coast) - 3 (1 BOG)
Jordan Lewis (Hawthorn) - 3
David Hille (Essendon) - 3
Heath Scotland (Carlton) - 3
Ben Hudson (Western Bulldogs) - 3 (1 BOG)
Brent Staker (Brisbane) - 3 (1 BOG)
Shane Mumford (Sydney) - 3 (1 BOG)
Sam Mitchell (Hawthorn) - 3
Bryce Gibbs (Carlton) - 3 (1 BOG)
Marc Murphy (Carlton) - 3
Kepler Bradley (Fremantle) - 3 (1 BOG)
Stephen Milne (St Kilda) - 3
Ryan Houlihan (Carlton) - 3
Daniel Cross (Western Bulldogs) - 3
Shannon Byrnes (Geelong) - 2
Campbell Brown (Hawthorn) - 2
Luke Power (Brisbane) - 2
Luke McPharlin (Fremantle) - 2
Jack Grimes (Melbourne) - 2
Jason Davenport (Port Adelaide) - 2
Mark Seaby (Sydney) - 2
Steven Baker (St Kilda) - 2
Steven Salopek (Port Adelaide) - 2
Ben McGlynn (Sydney) - 2
Rick Dyson (Essendon) - 2
Jarrod Harbrow (Western Bulldogs) - 2
Steele Sidebottom (Collingwood) - 2
Brent Moloney (Melbourne) - 2
Heath Grundy (Sydney) - 2
Brent Guerra (Hawthorn) - 2
Robbie Gray (Port Adelaide) - 2
Sharrod Wellingham (Collingwood) - 2
Tom Scully (Melbourne) - 2
Jefferey Garlett (Carlton) - 2
Dean Cox (West Coast) - 2
Brady Rawlings (North Melbourne) - 2
Daniel Jackson (Richmond) - 2
Leroy Jetta (Essendon) - 2
Ashley McGrath (Brisbane) - 2
Lance Franklin (Hawthorn) - 2
Adam Selwood (West Coast) - 2
Dale Thomas (Collingwood) - 2
Cyril Rioli (Hawthorn) - 2
Jarrad Waite (Carlton) - 2
Tom Rockliff (Brisbane) - 2
Brent Harvey (North Melbourne) - 2
Andrew Welsh (Essendon) - 2
Paul Bower (Carlton) - 1
Liam Anthony (North Melbourne) - 1
Leon Davis (Collingwood) - 1
Paul Haselby (Fremantle) - 1
Cameron Mooney (Geelong) - 1
Ivan Maric (Adelaide) - 1
Leigh Adams (North Melbourne) - 1
Harry Taylor (Geelong) - 1
Jarrad McVeigh (Sydney) - 1
Colin Sylvia (Melbourne) - 1
Troy Chaplin (Port Adelaide) - 1
Alan Didak (Collingwood) - 1
Brad Sewell (Hawthorn) - 1
Tyson Edwards (Adelaide) - 1
Nathan Lovett-Murray (Essendon) - 1
David Mundy (Fremantle) - 1
Angus Monfries (Essendon) - 1
Kelvin Moore (Richmond) - 1
Nathan Bock (Adelaide) - 1
Matthew Kreuzer (Carlton) - 1
Daniel Rich (Brisbane) - 1
Angus Graham (Richmond) - 1
Nathan Grima (North Melbourne) - 1
Scott Thompson (Adelaide) - 1
Beau Waters (West Coast) - 1
Mark McVeigh (Essendon) - 1
Danyle Pearce (Port Adelaide) - 1

Despite the CDPR being the best all-round statistical measurement of a player's impact on the game (due to all the factors that go into it), obviously statistics aren't everything, so make of that what you will.

 

[Pumbi]

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Just came across something very odd on SportingBet. Just looking at the current Brownlow odds, and on my screen, in 2nd last position, is Travis Boak at $1601 to 1.

Surely this is some sort of glitch? Hes not going to win it but hes got more of a chance than Tony Notte who is at $1501 to 1...

 

[AjsGuns]

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Willing to write off Griffen? I think he's the value at the dogs right now. I have Cooney just infront of him, but if the markets where open right now I think i'd be having a nibble at Cooney and Griffen and risking Boyd.

I am
Boyd had an amazing start to the season, then broke his hand and missed 2 games he looks to be getting back to his fine form, cooney has hit his straps and i have him 4 votes clear of the griffdog, im really not worried about higgins/griff. Higgins has a tendency to miss games, rumours are his been carrying an injury and he hasnt really had any huge games yet. Griff isnt the greatest poller and i have him 4 behind cooney and 1 behind boyd who both have seemed to find some good form and proven vote getters.
Griff offers value at $11 but i really cant see him pipping both cooney/boyd.
Even if u wanted to be safe u could put cash on them all and still make a profit
$3.50 cooney
$3.75 Boyd
$11 Griff
At least a 50c profit per $3 you put on. (still dont think its worth putting coin on griff)

 

[fredd]

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I am
Boyd had an amazing start to the season, then broke his hand and missed 2 games he looks to be getting back to his fine form, cooney has hit his straps and i have him 4 votes clear of the griffdog, im really not worried about higgins/griff. Higgins has a tendency to miss games, rumours are his been carrying an injury and he hasnt really had any huge games yet. Griff isnt the greatest poller and i have him 4 behind cooney and 1 behind boyd who both have seemed to find some good form and proven vote getters.
Griff offers value at $11 but i really cant see him pipping both cooney/boyd.
Even if u wanted to be safe u could put cash on them all and still make a profit
$3.50 cooney
$3.75 Boyd
$11 Griff
At least a 50c profit per $3 you put on. (still dont think its worth putting coin on griff)

interesting...

I agree on Higgins, who I like after he made me some money in his group last year, this season he hasnt had any huge games and possibly hasnt got a vote in the bank for the year thus far.

I'd disagree about griff not being the greatest poller, he has actually polled quite well in the past relative to his form. last year he went backwards as a footballer and that was reflected on brownlow night, but before then he actually had polled quite well. I think there are at least 3 games that he has had a really big impact on so far this year, and has impacted late which is really important for brownlow votes in my opinion. He has also kicked goals late to seal matches. I'd probably argue that relative to form he has a better polling history than boyd, who has only managed a solid vote count the last couple of years despite being a premium midfielder in a winning team.

As we are only half way through the season a lot depends on what happens for the next 11 games, but by my count they are pretty close at this point and Griff being at much longer odds represents the better value to me. Always happy to take note of others opinions though

 

[AjsGuns]

Re: Brownlow Medal 2010

Betfair R11 leader is up
Ablett fav @ $3

might have to open up an account over there. There odds are shit though, Hodge @ 6.3, Pav @ 15, Barlow @ 7.3

 

[AjsGuns]

Re: Brownlow Medal 2010

interesting...

I agree on Higgins, who I like after he made me some money in his group last year, this season he hasnt had any huge games and possibly hasnt got a vote in the bank for the year thus far.

I'd disagree about griff not being the greatest poller, he has actually polled quite well in the past relative to his form. last year he went backwards as a footballer and that was reflected on brownlow night, but before then he actually had polled quite well. I think there are at least 3 games that he has had a really big impact on so far this year, and has impacted late which is really important for brownlow votes in my opinion. He has also kicked goals late to seal matches. I'd probably argue that relative to form he has a better polling history than boyd, who has only managed a solid vote count the last couple of years despite being a premium midfielder in a winning team.

As we are only half way through the season a lot depends on what happens for the next 11 games, but by my count they are pretty close at this point and Griff being at much longer odds represents the better value to me. Always happy to take note of others opinions though

Nice post,

Glad we both agree on Higgins can pretty much write him off imo, way to behind and is carrying an injury.
As for Griff I defiently think he represents value @ $11. I usually go to most games if not i at least watch them and from what ive personally seen i just think cooney and boyd have played better in our wins with cooney being a freak vote getter. As for him being a vote getter i may be wrong, ill dig out some statisictcs i was under the impression he was never an amazing poller though. Obviously there is much better value than the WBD though im loving pendles @ 5.50 for most team votes.

 

[fridge21]

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I am
Boyd had an amazing start to the season, then broke his hand and missed 2 games he looks to be getting back to his fine form, cooney has hit his straps and i have him 4 votes clear of the griffdog, im really not worried about higgins/griff. Higgins has a tendency to miss games, rumours are his been carrying an injury and he hasnt really had any huge games yet. Griff isnt the greatest poller and i have him 4 behind cooney and 1 behind boyd who both have seemed to find some good form and proven vote getters.
Griff offers value at $11 but i really cant see him pipping both cooney/boyd.
Even if u wanted to be safe u could put cash on them all and still make a profit
$3.50 cooney
$3.75 Boyd
$11 Griff
At least a 50c profit per $3 you put on. (still dont think its worth putting coin on griff)

mate you could stagger your bets if your confident the winner will come from one of these three so that you make a better return than 50cents profit per $3 outlay. perhaps 40% of outlay on both cooney and boyd and 20% griffen, or if you want griffen just as a saver then 45% on both boyd and griffen and 10% of griffen.

i can't see how judd was $9 last week, and is now $10 at the TAB!!??!! great odds at the moment and would be very surprised if he doesn't poll 2-3 votes on Saturday. Blokes working these odds out must just go off the stats

 

[VINCANITY]

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i can't see how judd was $9 last week, and is now $10 at the TAB!!??!! great odds at the moment and would be very surprised if he doesn't poll 2-3 votes on Saturday. Blokes working these odds out must just go off the stats

haha yeah i know what you mean, i went to the tab yesterday to chuck some on the brownlow (i usually dont put any money on it until round 17-18 though, but i was already in the pub so....) but i put a little cheeky $10 multi on
pavlich to win the colemen @ 4.50
carlton to make top four @ 3.00
judd to win the brownlow @ 10.00
adds up too $135

A but ambitious i agree but yeah thought id give it a go

 

[Athomas]

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haha yeah i know what you mean, i went to the tab yesterday to chuck some on the brownlow (i usually dont put any money on it until round 17-18 though, but i was already in the pub so....) but i put a little cheeky $10 multi on
pavlich to win the colemen @ 4.50
carlton to make top four @ 3.00
judd to win the brownlow @ 10.00
adds up too $135

A but ambitious i agree but yeah thought id give it a go

I like it, If Judd plays well we will make top 4 etc. Don't know about Pav but, the coleman is too close atm.

Good luck.

 

[AjsGuns]

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i cant find the brownlow odds for the TAB (vic)?
yeah thanks fidge21 will defo think about it, but with my limited "bankroll" i think there is better value around (pendles @ $5.50 for example)

 

[Walshy_The_Goat]

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Also looking forward to poster Walker The Star's take on that game. Enjoy his descriptions of each week on his website.

Thanks mate!

Here is my updated leaderboard post Round 11, and it's beginning to look very tight at the top:

Leaderboard
15 - G. Ablett
14 - C. Judd
14 - L. Hodge (+)
12 - L. Hayes
11 - M. Barlow (+)
10 - S. Pendlebury (+)
10 - J. Bartel (+)
9 - B. Goddard (+)
9 - J. Watson
9 - A. Swallow (+)
8 – P. Chapman (+)
8 - A. Cooney
8 - A. Sandilands
8 - D. Swan
7 - M. Boyd (+)
7 - T. Boak (+)
7 - B. Harvey (+)
7 – D. Mundy
7 - M. Pavlich
7 - R. O'Keefe
7 - J. Brennan*

For the full round wrap up, with each individual games' votes and discussion, visit:

http://www.brownlowtalk.blogspot.com

 

[Frankie23]

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I was surprised last year when Pendles beat Swanny for most votes at Collingwood.
So at the start of this year decided I'd invest in Pendles, from memory it was 15 or 20 each way at 41-1.

Round 4 against Hawthorn he should poll 1-2
Round 5 against Essendon 3 votes
Round 6 against Carlton 1 vote
Round 8 against Freo 1-2 votes
Round 10 against Brisbane should sneek 1 vote.
Round 11 against Dogs 3 votes.

Knowing the Brownlow he won't poll in some of those and may surprise in others, so I would have him on 9-11.

Considering our run home is considerably easier, and the fact that Scotty is working into form well, I'm happy with my investment.
Firstly this thread was gold last year, it was a very useful tool when it came to betting time and helped me make a nice profit.

I posted this on the Collingwood Board in regard to Scotty Pendlebury. I would have him around 10-ish. However as evident last year the umps love him and to be quite honest I think he is only starting to hit his straps this season. I got on him at 51-1 but I saw 26 on Centrebet and that looks pretty good value.

Any questions on Collingwood players chances fire away....

 

[AhSteveSteve27]

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Pendlebury will win it if the Pies keep winning games IMO, has been extremely consistent this year, seems to be a great leader on the field and very talkative and supportive, especially around stoppages where he is usually first to the ball aswell. Definitely a huge show.

 

[Pumbi]

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I am also on the Pendlebury Bandwagon at $41. Most people would suggest that Swan was the standout candidate from Collingwood last year, despite Pendlebury having a pretty good season. This year, and very recently, Pendlebury has been just as, if not more dominant. Good omen.

 

[NatheM]

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Yea I was surprised also at Pendlebury out voting Swan last season.
And thus I have had my eye on Scotty this season, and he is absolutley flying, don't you worry about that, many many votes will come his way from the first half alone.

 

[Monte Carlo]

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Pendlebury is still at $41 on sportingbet. i got him at $67 at the start of the year which i though was mad by the bookies. Im interested to hear BK's thoughts on him, cos i know he has said previously he cant win; however pies could potentially win 17-18 games, and thats a lot of votes to be distributed...

 

[Athomas]

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I don't want to be a downer but Pendlebury won't have a chance imo.

I've done some analysis on how the votes are distributed to the winning side, based on last years votes.

Votes	Games	%	Average Votes
	176		5.18
6	93	52.84%	
5	36	20.45%	
4	34	19.32%	
3	12	6.82%	
2	1	0.57%

From 176 games last year, the winning team took ALL 6 votes more then half the time. Except for one game, the votes would always be split at least equally, 93% of the time in the winning team's favor. The one game was when Collingwood beat Adelaide by 21 points yet Mcleod got the 3 and Porplyzia the 1.

Games 60+	24		5.75
6	20	83.33%	
5	2	8.33%	
4	2	8.33%

As expected, in 60+ wins, 83% of the time the winning team will get all votes. Sylvia got 2 votes in a 66 point loss to Collingwood, While Haselby got 1 vote in a 85 point loss to Collingwood!

Games 30-60	59		5.68
6	45	76.27%	
5	9	15.25%	
4	5	8.47%

In 30+ point wins, still a huge % of votes going to the winning team.

Games 12-30	57		4.93
6	23	40.35%	
5	16	28.07%	
4	10	17.54%	
3	7	12.28%	
2	1	1.75%

Starting to even out now as expected. The game in which the losing team got more votes then the winning team was when Collingwood (geez, again ) beat Adelaide by 21 points but Mcleod got the 3 and Porplyzia the 1. Definitely an anomaly.

Games 1-12	36		4.47
6	6	16.67%	
5	10	27.78%	
4	15	41.67%	
3	5	13.89%

6 times the team who won by less then 12 points still got all the votes, but it is much closer here, with majority of the time 4 votes given to the winner and 2 to the loser.

I think this analysis shows winning is super important to who will be getting the votes. The winning team averages 5.18 votes a win. I've actually changed a couple of my votes around in games where I gave the losing team the 3 and the 1 as well.

Also did a large analysis based on how clubs poll based on their wins and winning margin, so which teams got more votes then they deserved and which didn't. Some very interesting results, will post up later if people think will be valuable.

 

[Effes]

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Would be interested in those results Athomas.

One I remember from a few years back (BUddy's 100 goal game) was Murphy getting 2 votes when the Hawks thumped us by 78 points.

 

[stuziman]

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thats why all this talk of hodge dominating is stupid

barlow has a better chance to be ahead imo

would love to see the anaylisis Athom

 

[Effes]

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PLayers in their first year even if they do very well seem to struggle to get votes.

 

[Athomas]

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Ok, well based on my analysis from before with the margins (60+ wins = 5.75 votes, 1-12 votes = 4.47 votes and so on) I've compared what each team 'should' have got compared to what they did.


Difference

16.60	Sydney
7.63	Brisbane
4.30	Geelong 
4.01	Port
3.64	Adelaide
3.04	Richmond
0.61	Fremantle
0.36	Carlton
-0.12	Melbourne
-0.31	St Kilda 
-1.81	West Coast
-3.53	North
-5.61	Essendon
-6.25	Hawthorn
-10.64	Bulldogs
-12.29	Collingwood

This is the basic summary (with all the actual results below).

From what I have found, Sydney got 16 more votes then they should have. Was trying to work out why, I would say the 'Goodes Factor' can accomodate at least 5 votes worth probably. For the next best Brisbane, you could almost say the 'Black Factor' would explain the same reason!

For the teams that polled badly, I think it is pretty clear why, they are extremely even. Collingwood as a whole do not have too many standouts and have a lot of players who play as a team for their wins. Pendlebury, Didak, Swan and Davis all got within 10-13 votes with a lot of other votes shared around the team.

The bulldogs are also a very even team, with 17 different players polling and the votes very evenly distributed.

Expected Votes	Actual Votes	Difference	
			
110.31	110.00	-0.31	St Kilda 
93.70	98	4.30	Geelong 
77.37	85	7.63	Brisbane
79.36	83	3.64	Adelaide
88.64	78	-10.64	Bulldogs
77.64	78	0.36	Carlton
87.29	75	-12.29	Collingwood
53.40	70	16.60	Sydney
55.99	60	4.01	Port
63.61	58	-5.61	Essendon
54.81	53	-1.81	West Coast
56.25	50	-6.25	Hawthorn
47.53	44	-3.53	North
41.39	42	0.61	Fremantle
37.96	41	3.04	Richmond
31.12	31	-0.12	Melbourne

These are the actual numbers. Carlton only won 13 games compared to Collingwood's 15 but managed to poll 3 more votes.

I don't think this data is too significant, however I do think it plays a bit of a part in showing that some teams poll better then others (Syd/Bris v Coll/Bull) and that the winning team will get more votes 93% of the time.

Did some analysis on my count this year (based on winning margins again) and I have Collingwood getting less votes then they deserve again which makes me smile.

Don't think it's too crucial, just thought I'd share it. If I can be bothered I'd do 2008 as well, maybe after exams.

 

[asanque]

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Thanks Athomas, great analysis

I'm taking it a bit easier on the brownlow this year but still keeping track of this thread.

Currently on Ablett, Judd and Hodge for small amounts.

 

[stuziman]

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I would love to see 08 results to see if any of these tends continue

 

[FootyStar#1]

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thats why all this talk of hodge dominating is stupid

barlow has a better chance to be ahead imo

would love to see the anaylisis Athom

i agree with you stuziman, i think hodge will definitely win hawthorns most votes and he will poll well in most of their wins but at this stage, i dont think hawthorn will win enough games for him to compete with judd / ablett / hayes etc. Hawthorn will come back to reality after facing the cats, bulldogs and saints in the next 5 weeks. 3 of their last 4 wins have been far from convincing.

 

[stuziman]

Re: Brownlow Medal 2010

i agree with you stuziman, i think hodge will definitely win hawthorns most votes and he will poll well in most of their wins but at this stage, i dont think hawthorn will win enough games for him to compete with judd / ablett / hayes etc. Hawthorn will come back to reality after facing the cats, bulldogs and saints in the next 5 weeks. 3 of their last 4 wins have been far from convincing.

Yep, they will come crashing back to earth. I think its a combination of other teams working out their rolling zone, suspensions and general bad work ethic is why they have struggled. It will be really hard to turn these things around late in the year, especially against quality sides.