perhaps my memory is failing me, but I thought crawf won that one by a record margin, or something...
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Buckley V Crawford
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perhaps my memory is failing me, but I thought crawf won that one by a record margin, or something...
travelmate1975
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Both Champions but I would lean to Buckley based on 2 areas:
1. Flexibility - Bucks could play CHB, FF, etc...similar to the role Hodge plays for us.
2. Better use of the ball.
You wouldn't be upset if you had either though....
1. Flexibility - Bucks could play CHB, FF, etc...similar to the role Hodge plays for us.
2. Better use of the ball.
You wouldn't be upset if you had either though....
Should have been, but wasn't. Interchange was Roy Simmonds, Paul Salmon, Langford and Ian Law
Exactly what a lot of people hate hearing.
When u win a premiership it doesnt make u a better player.
Crawford's flag is a fantastic reward to top off a great career...not everyone is lucky enough and injury could have forced retirement before he got his chance. Hawthorn would have won this flag with or without him.
Crawford was/is a great midfielder but not in the Buckley/Harvey/Hird/Voss league. One notch down...a champion rover around the late 90's and turn of the century but one who hasnt produced great footy consistently for a long time now.
You are correct. The pies sides of 1994-2002 were absolute crap. The problem is of course that they still are, and poor old Nathan never got to hold up the silverware.
You could just hear the poor bastard grinding his teeth during the GF commentary.
Anyway, how could you vote for a punter who calls his kid Ayce. He should give back the Brownlow
buckley was far better and had far more impact
time for some facts.
ok, so crawford won the medal by a 6 vote margin, 8 votes ahead of buckley. in 2003 buckley finished level with goodes and ricciuto, and only one vote ahead of crawford. I would say that buckley was probably luckier to have won his brownlow than crawford was...
Thats where Buckley was most of his career! In the back half, getting handball receives out trhe back from Licca, Burns and Obree!!!
No seriously great player. Just shades Crawf, largely thru consistency.
Widely felt that Hird Voss and Buckley are the best 3 from modern era.
Prob right, but ricciuto crawf harvey mcleod are not far behind.
Anyone saying they are miles ahead is exaggerating.
I've certainly seen the players from the secondary list beat the big 3 on more than one ooccasion so they cant be too far behind.
Crawf in his day was a hard running machine, by saying that Buckley was better of the field, Crawf enjoyd the spot light and media bit too much
magpie10
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i think one thing we can all agree on is just how much we miss these champions. The likes of HIRD, VOSS, BUCKLEY, CRAWF, HARVEY AND KOUTA will never be seen again. Sure nowadays we have franklin and ablett, but its just not the same without those guys.
i was watching buckley's highlight videos on youtube yesterday and it hit me how much i missed his leadership and him kicking goals from 65 on the run....
ON TOPIC: Buckley, but not by much. His leadeship, flexibility and professionalism, as will as his superb kicking skills do it for me. This guy was determined to succeed from the very beginning and it just kills me that he never got his medallion...
PS: don't even think about rating neitz with these champions
i was watching buckley's highlight videos on youtube yesterday and it hit me how much i missed his leadership and him kicking goals from 65 on the run....
ON TOPIC: Buckley, but not by much. His leadeship, flexibility and professionalism, as will as his superb kicking skills do it for me. This guy was determined to succeed from the very beginning and it just kills me that he never got his medallion...
PS: don't even think about rating neitz with these champions
In 05 Cousins went in as the shortest priced favourite of all time, beating the previous record held by Crawford
Not to be pedantic or anything
Well judging by his username he is obviously good judge of a great players
Its a hard one, but I am gonna say Crawford. For no reason other than this posts seems like Magpie Mick is fishing for Buckley compliments.
Animosity1989
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Well i'm a Hawthorn supporter and i'll admit that whilst both are champions, i would definetly say that Buckley has been the overall better player.
Buckley is a better footballer.
Crawford is a better bloke.
Crawford is a better bloke.
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Well lets see...
Buckley had;
2 more Best & Fairests at a club that apparently 'had players to support him'.
3 more All-Australians.
A Norm Smith medal.
A Rising Star award.
Around 20 more Brownlow votes.
60 more goals in 25 less games.
Aswell as averaging over 2 disposals a game more throughout his career, whilst having a far superior disposal skills.
Thats way the majority are stating Buckley was the better footballer.
Crawford is a champion of the game and an absolute superstar, but its definitely fair to have Buckley well above him with the Michael Voss' and James Hirds.
In 05 Cousins went in as the shortest priced favourite of all time, beating the previous record held by Crawford
Not to be pedantic or anything
Can you prove that.
I know Crawf was $1.50 before the night.
Can't remember cousins being that short.
Buckley was better than Crawford in the following areas
Footskills.....Bucks the best in the business
Marking.....Buckley much better over head
Tackling.....laid more tackles and laid heavier tackles
Centre Clearance.....Bucks holds the league record in 03, better than Judd!
Goals.....Bucks kicked more goals in less games
Versatility......Bucks played CHB against Carey, and played FF and could kick a bag of 6
Leadership.....Bucks longer serving captain and turned the club around......Hawthorn as a club turned around when crawf gave up the captaincy
The only area crawf was better than bucks was his running ability
Hodge is the new Buckley......big bodied midfielder that can pinch hit in a KP, is a brilliant leader, has awesome footskills.....only difference being Hodge is in a good team
Crawf v Cousins would be a tough debate tho.......very similar style of players
worthy
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I think Buckley was a better player through his career.
There are two levels:
Mathews has his own level.
Level 1: Buckley, Hird, Voss - with maybe Judd, Ablett and possibly Hodge to reach this level. Roo maybe?
Level 2: Crawford, Cousins, Harvey, Black, West, Bartel and others.
Level 2 are great players, champions of their era, there's not a lot in it between level 1 & 2, but level 1 just had that little something extra.
The disappointing thing with these comparisons is when people say "easily", this is simply not true, or when people feel the need to put one player down in order to make the other player seem better.
Both Champions with Buckley generally regarded a little higher.
There are two levels:
Mathews has his own level.
Level 1: Buckley, Hird, Voss - with maybe Judd, Ablett and possibly Hodge to reach this level. Roo maybe?
Level 2: Crawford, Cousins, Harvey, Black, West, Bartel and others.
Level 2 are great players, champions of their era, there's not a lot in it between level 1 & 2, but level 1 just had that little something extra.
The disappointing thing with these comparisons is when people say "easily", this is simply not true, or when people feel the need to put one player down in order to make the other player seem better.
Both Champions with Buckley generally regarded a little higher.
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Nope. I think Crawf's best - circa brownlow year - was better than Bucks' best. However throughout their careers, Buckley was better, particularly when we take into acccount 'the Shane Crawford, all about Shane Crawford years' for the 2 - 3 after he won the brownlow when his media commitments increased and his form plummetted.
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Crawford was loyal to 1 CLUB and eventually won a premiership medal .
Chasing a premiership medal as Buckley did doesnt say much for his character.
They both played different roles for their club.
I would go for Crawford as better player who didnt mind getting the hard ball unlike Buckley .
Crawford was also a better team player.
Chasing a premiership medal as Buckley did doesnt say much for his character.
They both played different roles for their club.
I would go for Crawford as better player who didnt mind getting the hard ball unlike Buckley .
Crawford was also a better team player.
Crawford inspired his team mates to a premiership 
, Buckley did not 
I know this is not the question, but it speaks volumes to the type of player/characters they both are
I'd take Crawf at his best over Buckley at his best anyday
, Buckley did not I know this is not the question, but it speaks volumes to the type of player/characters they both are
I'd take Crawf at his best over Buckley at his best anyday
RandB
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I agree.
IMO Crawford played for Hawthorn his whole career. Buckley played for Collingwood for the first half of his career (there) and then Collingwood played for Buckley through the second half of his career.
