Roast Bucks Starts The Booing Debate

[Monco Matt]

The assumption that booing is racially related is what gives me the shits. Sections, not all, but sections of the crowd may choose to boo an opposition player for a host of non-racial reasons. How else can a crowd of people try to affect an opposition player from the otherside of the fence? Booing or making loud noises is the only course of action outside of holding up a banner that says "FU Franklin!".

A crowd that is passionate and wants to help their team gain an advantage is going to do this and Collingwood crowds are the largest and most passionate of all AFL teams. It is so overblown. Yes, it doesn't sound great for a neutral observer or someone who follows the opposition but I understand why the crowd does it and I choose to believe it is not racial. It is a part of the game just as is the bronx cheer (I think it is called) when an opposition player misses a shot on goal.

If the AFL wants 71,000 people to sit quietly and waive their flags they have another thing coming. Personally, I like it when our supporters get stuck into an opposition player to put them off their game as long as it isn't offensive verbally and I don't view booing as offensive although some people do but these people find most things offensive.

The world has gone too soft and it needs to harden up.

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

Nice to see someone not tow the company line, well said Lloyd

Hutchy is a clown. He epitomises everything wrong with the AFL media.

Lloyd's pushback was decent, but you could see he was restraining himself to not say more on the matter.

 

[KillerMagpies]

Just shut up Nathan. Fancy having a crack at the fans that gave you nothing but love, even through your time as a failed coach. Don't mention the Papley boos or the physical intimidation tactics on a 20 year old superstar, whacking him off the ball. Virtue signalling oxygen thief!!

Well said.
Bucks, crapping on about “bigotry”.
It was all about gamesmanship. Trying to put a champion, who we envied and feared and had often caused us pain, off his game.
…btw, I didn’t and couldn’t boo him. However, it’s not to say that I didn’t understand WHY he was being booed.

 

[LuckyLee]

I wonder, before the media decided to make the narrative all about racism, did anyone actually think to maybe speak to Buddy about this? Maybe listen to the voice of the Indigenous man they’re supposedly looking out for in all this?

Oh well, glad to see this handled so brilliantly. I assume there’ll be no blow back, and the booing won’t intensify against the people who usually cop it, who might be struggling with it. Coz, you know, no better way to stamp out booing than by constantly telling people they can’t boo. Especially helps when it’s done in a real sanctimonious way, which throws around racism despite any evidence pointing towards ANY motivation at all.

Bloody hell. Booing, eh? Such strife from something that seems like it should be so meaningless. The reaction seems out of step with the though that people booing actually put into it.

Or maybe Buddy demanded the apology from the club?

Maybe he turned up to the game knowing full well that the last time the Swans played us at The G was the Adam Goodes incident and was already on edge about what might happen? And then the actions of some in the crowd confirmed his worst fears, leaving him hurt and angry? Quite plausible really.


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[magpies42]

Just shut up Nathan. Fancy having a crack at the fans that gave you nothing but love, even through your time as a failed coach. Don't mention the Papley boos or the physical intimidation tactics on a 20 year old superstar, whacking him off the ball. Virtue signalling oxygen thief!!

Whether you agree with his position or not, it’s authentic coming from Bucks.

 

[swoop42]

Did Hutchy think the booing of Papley was also "abhorrent" because I tell ya it came from the exact same place within people as the booing for Franklin and it had zero to do with race.

 

[sideswipe]

Did Hutchy think the booing of Papley was also "abhorrent" because I tell ya it came from the exact same place within people as the booing for Franklin and it had zero to do with race.

Even if not one “booer” was doing it out of racial motivation, that’s not the point. It is how other parties might perceive the booing.

It’s a sensitive enough topic, and countless people have gone through terrible enough times, that this is a pretty simple thing not to do.


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[ZEV]

Whether you agree with his position or not, it’s authentic coming from Bucks.

Potentially authentic but equal in hypocrisy.

He's thrown the supporters "under the bus".

 

[magpies42]

Potentially authentic but equal in hypocrisy.

He's thrown the supporters "under the bus".

He calls it as he sees it. It’s his opinion, doesn’t mean shit. Having read what he said, do I think everyone that booed is racist…no! He thinks it is, good for him. And I respect him even more for speaking his mind, it would have been especially hard for him given how much he loves Collingwood.

You all really should be getting angry at the club for going soft again.

I’ve sort of come to the conclusion that the battle is lost…we sold Eddie down the river and have been selling off bits of our soul ever since.

 

[NonPhixion]

Even if not one “booer” was doing it out of racial motivation, that’s not the point. It is how other parties might perceive the booing.

It’s a sensitive enough topic, and countless people have gone through terrible enough times, that this is a pretty simple thing not to do.


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maybe we should go down the U10's route and just not keep score. In fact while we are at it lets ask GPT to coach the game and send some AI robots out to play

 

[Markfs]

ask nathan buckley and he would say " i love the collingwood faithful BUT....."

ask darcy moore

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and he would say "I love the collingwood faithful BUT...."


some people would prefer to boo and have collingwood people feel less for the club....they dont care that collingwood players have to make excuses for them.

 

[Markfs]

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spoke to franklin after the match and felt that he had to make excuses for parts of the collingwood crowd....he was ashamed of them... and those fans couldnt give a stuff.....could not give one stuff...

 

[Markfs]

darcy moore spoke to franklin after the match and felt that he had to make excuses for parts of the collingwood crowd....he was ashamed of them... and those fans couldnt give a stuff.....could not give one stuff...

 

[Markfs]

"i want to apologise for the booing.....sorry mate....I'm a bit ashamed of them"

 

[Prestigerrycomo]

 

[jmac70]

Nice to see Caro thinks because Buddy is indigineous, its a no go. So if it was someone like Heeney, it's okay? Also, Buddy apparantely whacked Murphy on the wing, and those fans on that side of the ground saw it and started booing. It was not for no reason.

Anyone with a shred of decency would understand why booing Franklin is wrong.

The Goodes saga had a profound impact on the Swans and Indigenous players in general.

The leadership of our club recognise this and have done the right thing.

The alleged Murphy incident sounds like a flimsy excuse.

The broader issue of booing is also pretty straightforward. Sustained booing of a single player is vindictive. There is no need for it.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Sections, not all, but sections of the crowd may choose to boo an opposition player for a host of non-racial reasons. How else can a crowd of people try to affect an opposition player from the otherside of the fence? Booing or making loud noises is the only course of action outside of holding up a banner that says "FU Franklin!" …

… If the AFL wants 71,000 people to sit quietly and waive their flags they have another thing coming.

Our own Senior Coach, the one who has turned our club around through his cultural leadership, has time and again provided very consistent direction on this topic through positive validation (“I’d like to thank the fans …”), role modelling behaviour (“In my house …”), and sharing his personal opinions when asked. And it doesn’t involve booing, and it certainly doesn’t involve “71,000 people to sit quietly and waive their flags”.

Only a few weeks earlier the noise from 95,000 people at the MCG was universally celebrated. The topic around town was the wonderful crowd and our amazing win.

Not this week. Can you not see the difference?

The world has gone too soft and it needs to harden up.

The world today currently has Collingwood at the top of the ladder. And we didn’t get there by having an old school coach dishing out old school floggings. Maybe the world isn’t so bad?

 

[76woodenspooners]

ask nathan buckley and he would say " i love the collingwood faithful BUT....."

ask darcy moore and he would say "I love the collingwood faithful BUT...."


some people would prefer to boo and have collingwood people feel less for the club....they dont care that collingwood players have to make excuses for them.

Sigh.

This is why we can’t have nice things

 

[manicpie]

He calls it as he sees it. It’s his opinion, doesn’t mean s**t. Having read what he said, do I think everyone that booed is racist…no! He thinks it is, good for him. And I respect him even more for speaking his mind, it would have been especially hard for him given how much he loves Collingwood.

You all really should be getting angry at the club for going soft again.

I’ve sort of come to the conclusion that the battle is lost…we sold Eddie down the river and have been selling off bits of our soul ever since.

Bro, bucks was our coach for 10 of our supposed dark years of the do better report. he was in it up to his eyeballs. Maybe because he is a journo now, he's chucking out some click bait. He has no right to assume that anything that took place on Sunday was bigotry. He's a journo now and is just being a dick

 

[jmac70]

Did Hutchy think the booing of Papley was also "abhorrent" because I tell ya it came from the exact same place within people as the booing for Franklin and it had zero to do with race.

As an Indigenous man, Buddy has the right to feel culturally safe in his workplace.

Are the people booing him because he is Aboriginal? No.

Does it make him feel like they are? Maybe.

Should it have happened? No.

 

[FIGJAM]

Anyone with a shred of decency would understand why booing Franklin is wrong.

Get your hand off it pal!!

 

[sideswipe]

maybe we should go down the U10's route and just not keep score. In fact while we are at it lets ask GPT to coach the game and send some AI robots out to play

Not sure why you bothered


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[Doc1763]

It’s pretty simple really.

Not as simple as the dimwits who boo, clearly.

 

[gouki88]

I can't see how people are surprised at the potential sensitivity to this. The parallels with Goodes being booed towards the end of his career are there, the defences of the booing are quite similar ("he's a flog/campaigner/cheat/dirty player"), and there's a more conscious club and league-wide effort to combat these kinds of things. I think this kind of sensitivity is especially strong with recent displays, like the racism directed towards JUH and others, or the Pies efforts at reconciliation. So naturally we will want to distance and denounce.

That being said, it really is a bit of a storm in a teacup. Papley was getting booed earlier and louder than Buddy, especially after they all went at Daicos. There was seemingly some collective episode of amnesia regarding this, because no media members noticed.

I would have liked the Pies to frame the apology differently. The statement seemed to imply that if you're a shit player it's probably okay to boo you. I would also have liked them to incorporate an apology for the booing of Papley - not because the grub doesn't deserve to be reminded of his status at all times, but because it would highlight the non-discriminatory nature of the booing (unless you're a knob).

Longmire acting all shocked and disappointed really did shit me though. He and members of his leadership group, like Mills (captain), Papley, Franklin and Parker all made a concerted effort to target and intimidate our young star. Did he think we would be okay with this? If AJ had been trying to snipe Gulden and got booed at the SCG, would he have been so bemused?

 

[FIGJAM]

He calls it as he sees it. It’s his opinion, doesn’t mean s**t. Having read what he said, do I think everyone that booed is racist…no! He thinks it is, good for him. And I respect him even more for speaking his mind, it would have been especially hard for him given how much he loves Collingwood.

"At best, (the booing) was a begrudging acknowledgement of the sustained brilliance Franklin has brought against Collingwood, and at worst, it's ignorance and bigotry."

It's very clearly the first part in my view and definitely not the second.

I don't think Buckley was anything but measured in his comments.

I also don't think that this molehill needed to get to the mountain that it is, but that's the world we live in. We need to keep a keen eye on the freedom of speech and expression, not matter what your opinion is on the 'low to high brow' scale of communication.