C Judd - Carlton - Who won the trade now??

[Happy Mastenator]

The hole thread forgets one key point. WCE weren't rading from a postion of strength. We had to take the best we could get otherwise he would have gone in the preseason draft.

Carlton gave us pick 3 and JK for someone who was leaving no matter what we did.

As a result Carlton got the best player out of deal, but we won in the sense we got some decent assets for a player that was leaving.

Judd would have been wasted on our tema anyway after everyone els e left, got injured, retired, we would have been like Carlton aroudn the 8 but doing nothing. As it is we bottomed out and restocked with yulgn players, now we will rise and go past the Blues!

/hopeful thinking

 

[Westi3]

No one really wins because neither club is going anywhere. Carlton have not a won a final under him and don't look like heading to the top four. West Coast have obviously not won, losing a club legend like Judd, they were never going to win.

Being a West Coast supporter- this is kind of how I feel.

Depends if you want to look into the "butterfly effect" as well in regards to us bottoming out and getting Nick Naitanui as a result etc as well.

 

[The Magenius]

All Carlton won last night is having to pay Judd more when his contract runs out.

If he stays... the guy goes where the $ is...

 

[Vendrell]

judd, cousins, braun, jones, fletcher, hunter, wirrpanda and a fit kerr at wc good side...

Judd, cousins, braun, jones, fletcher, hunter, wirrpanda gone and a chronically injured kerr..... Wc a banana side.....!!!

Say again???

Lol

efa.

 

[kranky al]

i dont think theres any danger of judd leaving visy i mean carlton over money issues

 

[Oakland Raider]

Carlton Football Club haven't won anything since he arrived, so irrespective of West Coast's position it would be a long bow to draw which suggests they won.

Nil all draw.

Judd is at nil all without a wooden spoon.

 

[joeyavalanche]

Judd is the sort of guy who is more proud of brownlows than flags anyway.
he'd be stoked at last night.

couldnt give a **** about anyone but #1

 

[the_interloper]

Judd is the sort of guy who is more proud of brownlows than flags anyway.
he'd be stoked at last night.

couldnt give a **** about anyone but #1

Woo, the sour grapes are strong in this one! Kennedy is a shit player as well champ, you did not trade well there sunshine!

 

[HARKER]

stupid thread......

Agreed.

I still can't quite work out these, "mine is bigger than yours" threads.
When the washing is finished, there is only one thing that really matters and that is for the two clubs left, to fight out for, this coming weekend

 

[HARKER]

It all depends how you define success.

As a team I am undecided. Kennedy & Masten have 10 years to run yet. Judd maybe 3-5. Judd has actually prevented Carlton building up the depth they desperately needed and that is the reason they cannot yet be serious flag contenders and perhaps will mean they never will be. He uses up a large % of the cap so the club has to compromise their list at some point. Without Judd they may have been able to seriously rebuild their list and aim high rather than mediocre with a star.

That's not completely correct.
Judds contract was front loaded and so is reducing by the year.
Salary cap issues are not an issue for Carlton for at least the next 2-3 years unless we see fit to recruit heavily.

 

[SillyKent]

He hasn't got them a premiership yet and I highly doubt he ever will, so who cares?

True, but he's increased their supporter base, membership numbers, merchandise sales etc. AFL clubs are businesses too, not just football clubs.

On face value, most expected it to completely in Carlton's favour as 2007 was a modest draft after the first 2 selections, who were considered standout and seen as potential elite players of the AFL (1, 20 and Kennedy would've been the fairer trade, but there was no way Carlton were going to give up that 1st pick).

Only Rioli has really jumped out apart from the above 2 as a potential elite player, who no-one apart from Vic teams were going to touch (Dangerfield and Grant have looked promising at times too, but both were very iffy prospects when drafted).

Still early days and some good, honest players (high-end B graders) will come off it ... Masten I think will be one I'd put in that category if he can get over injuries, but certainly no-one close to the calibre of Judd.

Kennedy is another one that I think will be at best be a good, honest player (high end B grader) at his peak which he will reach in his next few years.

Notte they may re-rookie ... he has definite talent but his efforts have been quite uninspiring to date.

It should be noted that losing Judd (and Cousins + others like Hunter, Chick, Stenglein etc. in the coming years) did kick West Coast into a rebuild of their list.

From a football perspective I think we will see the true results over the next 5-10 years.

Will Judd's recruitment yield any premierships for Carlton?

Will West Coast's subsequent rebuild from Judd's departure yield any premierships for them?

 

[Jazzman17]

agree judd chases the money but i don't think winning the brownlow is what he is about. he was quite graceful in victory last night. the blues, however, will never win a flag with judd in the side. there are a long way off...

 

[sherrinorburley]

Judd is at nil all without a wooden spoon.

Carlton wont win a spoon while Judd is playing for them

 

[John Dorian]

A Brownlow isn't a premiership buddy.

Individuals don't make the team.

 

[sherrinorburley]

Thanks for pointing that out genius.

 

[lewigie]

He hasn't brought his team to a premiership, he hasn't won a Norm Smith. He probably wouldn't have taken us to a premiership.

We still have Kennedy and Masten.

Unless Carlton wins a premiership with Judd, then we stil lwin.

 

[sherrinorburley]

Without Judd, eagles got the spoon. Simple. Carlton have won BIG.

 

[KaLL]

Got to be honest, i think if Cousins had remained at the club and Judd had left we would not be in the position we are in now. What Cousins drug addiction did to the club had a much harsher effect than Judd leaving - Ben was the heart and soul of the club, his suspension and dropping divided the club in halves, and we tummelled into a period of having to please the AFL, and criticize many facets of our operation.

 

[gregboy55]

Who WON the judd trade??

I dont remember any of us wanting to play ..

It wasnt a game.. he left.. we got fu*k all

 

[4#Didak#4]

That's not completely correct.
Judds contract was front loaded and so is reducing by the year.
Salary cap issues are not an issue for Carlton for at least the next 2-3 years unless we see fit to recruit heavily.

Thats really the point, you needed to recruit a host of players to have some depth rather than a one man plan. There is no salary cap issues just major holes in your playing list that if not rectified mean you cannot win a flag.

Whichever way you look at it he has sucked major dollars out of your player budget, as well as needing to keep your young guns happy in Murphy, Gibbs, Kreuzer etc. The bottom end of your list is where you are losing games.

Front loading can be a good idea but it does mean you are basically giving your list no chance early on then hoping you can recruit & top up as his contract declines. But in reality the young guys mentioned above will quickly suck up the slack & you have gone nowhere. Gold Coast & GWS will not help this situation much either now as they inflate recruitable player prices.

What is more useful - One superstar or five good players? The marketing department says the superstar but most coaches would take the players.

 

[mjd75]

Got to be honest, i think if Cousins had remained at the club and Judd had left we would not be in the position we are in now. What Cousins drug addiction did to the club had a much harsher effect than Judd leaving - Ben was the heart and soul of the club, his suspension and dropping divided the club in halves, and we tummelled into a period of having to please the AFL, and criticize many facets of our operation.

Sorry to disagree but taking away the Drug additiction, I think the few years before Judd left the Eagles he had taken over the mantle of being the heart and soul of your club.

I'm pretty sure if in 2007 the Eagles had to make a choice to trade either Cuz or Juddy, Cuz would have been traded but you would have been happy to keep Judd.

 

[KaLL]

Trust me man, Cousins was far more inbred into the club than Judd was.

You just need to look at the amount of Weagles supporters defecting to Richmond, or purchasing RFC memberships purely because of Cousins.

Did you see this with Judds move to Carlton? No. And i know there are some differring factors, but take it from me. The clubs love for cousins was far greater than our love for Judd.

 

[kranky al]

gotta agree with kall

judd=respected

cousins=loved

 

[mjd75]

Trust me man, Cousins was far more inbred into the club than Judd was.

You just need to look at the amount of Weagles supporters defecting to Richmond, or purchasing RFC memberships purely because of Cousins.

Did you see this with Judds move to Carlton? No. And i know there are some differring factors, but take it from me. The clubs love for cousins was far greater than our love for Judd.

No argument about how much the WCE love Cuz. A totally different situation between Juddy leaving for Carlton and Cuz getting sacked.

Unfortunately Weagles fan's thought Cuz was hard done by and that's part of the reason they followed him to RFC. I wouldn't expect the same for a player who decided to leave himself.

I just wonder if Juddy was still at the Eagles if there would have been as big an outcry over Cuz getting suspended and the sacked. I'm thinking that after Juddy left then Cuz got suspended the WCE fans started to think the club was falling to pieces. With Judd still around there was still alot to get excited about.

So in my ficticious trade would you have liked to keep Judd or Cuz?

 

[Dominator_7]

All Carlton won last night is having to pay Judd more when his contract runs out.

Still got 3 years to run on his current contract...
Nice try though..

Trust me man, Cousins was far more inbred into the club than Judd was.

You just need to look at the amount of Weagles supporters defecting to Richmond, or purchasing RFC memberships purely because of Cousins.

Did you see this with Judds move to Carlton? No. And i know there are some differring factors, but take it from me. The clubs love for cousins was far greater than our love for Judd.

The very fact that this happened doesnt show just how much Cousins was loved, but just how pathetic some of your so called 'supporters' actually are!!!