LOL best example of an intended insult actually coming out like a big compliment. Nice fail.
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Cale Morton, is he the best young player in the game?
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LOL best example of an intended insult actually coming out like a big compliment. Nice fail.
You don't use stats to back up your "well informed opinions".
You use stats in every post as the base of your argument. You have then based your opinion on these stats and have the audacity to tell us to go and watch some games?
Get your hand of it.
Ok, my bad. It's just that out of your 9 posts in this thread you've posted one video of highlights, 2 posts targeted to me, 1 post denying you post just stats and 1 post denying that Morton is the best young player.
So in total that's 5 posts to which you have argued your point. In these 5 posts you have only used biased stats as a method of persuasion.
And as I know you like stats that would be 100% of your "arguing" posts have stats in them.
The problem with your argument mo is that you haven't read the posts that WL is responding to. For example, Northbuoy was having a dig and demanding to know how many i50's Morton had on the weekend, so wl educated him (incidentally only 3 kangaroo players got more than him on the weekend, not bad for a hack hbf).
OK. Let me get this straight.You don't use stats to back up your "well informed opinions".
You use stats in every post as the base of your argument. You have then based your opinion on these stats and have the audacity to tell us to go and watch some games?
Get your hand of it.
You're trying to tell me that i base my arguments on stats. Fair enough on that, as stats are the easiest way to win an argument so i often use them when they work in my favour. It's also hard to not use stats when posters like NorthBhoy demand them.
Then you go an say i BASE MY OPINION on these stats? Are you freaking serious? Are you trying to say i don't watch the games, but merely check Cale Mortons stats after i remember a game has been played, see the stats and go 'oh geeze this kids good'?
Yes. You are a dill. A massive one.
Ok, so 100% of his posts providing his point have view have all been filled with stats and nothing to do with actually watching a game of football?
Am I right? Or am I mistaken?
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That's exactly what I'm saying.
You can only argue a point by using useless stats. You then try to tell us to watch his game but can't provide any evidence or even opinion on the matter and stick to using "he had 0 clangers this week" instead?
Whose the dill? Tell me why Morton is the best young player or even a good young player without using stats! Please, it's actually hurting my eyes reading your posts. Numbers and percentage signs aren't going to persuade me.
How could you possibly know whether he watches games or not?
Oh really. What about this post?
So 100% of my posts have included stats and nothing to do with watching football?
Seems as though you have some blatantly wrong STATS in your post. Dill.
Argue what? The only reason i started posting in this thread was to correct moronic peoples opinions that his kicking is below par.
People like you.
Do you realise stats is the best way to argue that?
What am I going to say.. "oh no i have watched nearly every match of Mortons 26 game career and his kicking is indeed above par"
While that is true, what does it prove? Absofreakinglutely nothing.
Go it YET?
Poor kick.
Doesnt mean he wont be a good player, but with that big a limitation you have to be elite at a lot of other facets of the game to pan out really well.
Doesnt mean he wont be a good player, but with that big a limitation you have to be elite at a lot of other facets of the game to pan out really well.
how does that matter? aslong as it lands inside the forward 50, J. Watts will get his hands on it and put it through.
Not that your 'debate' with 'Mo isn't cute or interesting and by no means am I taking his side but surely your not telling me that your arguments are not based on stats.
You seem like yet another supporter which rates a good dream team game over a good game. Move away from his value to your dream team side and perhaps remove your red & blue goggles and you might be able to better analyse Cale's game.
Looks like it from my screen. After watching the game, while not intently as I would a Carlton match Morton was hardly noticeable and if given no stats I would have thought he had 15-20 disposals, and even then only 2-5 looked damaging. From a player who was said to be of the 'elite' decision making and skill execution categories pre-draft it was disappointing.
You seem like yet another supporter which rates a good dream team game over a good game. Move away from his value to your dream team side and perhaps remove your red & blue goggles and you might be able to better analyse Cale's game.
You're one-eyed, thats OK, but surely you are able to see the difference between a Gilbee kick that puts it to the advantage of a forward and a Morton kick that floats in and gives the 3 defenders hanging off Watts the chance to spoil. Both land in the 50, end up with completely different results.
Cant be bothered reading through 10 pages of this thread. But the answer is no he isnt the best youngster in the game. There are a few players comfortably ahead of him. He is going along very nicely though, and doesnt seem to get the big wraps on him that alot of other youngsters get, probably due to the fact he plays for Melbourne and we have a much lower media profile.
I'd say he is probably second best of his draft behind Rioli at this stage.
Cale's tank is massive, he reads the play well, he has a decent kick on him, and he takes great contested marks for someone of his size too. When he puts on abit more weight he will start developing more of an inside game and laying more tackles. That's limiting his game at the moment, making it purely outside. He is however a guy in his second season and turned 19 this year, so I'll cut him slack. Should be playing for another 10+ years yet, and it's looking like he'll be a star.
I'd say he is probably second best of his draft behind Rioli at this stage.
Cale's tank is massive, he reads the play well, he has a decent kick on him, and he takes great contested marks for someone of his size too. When he puts on abit more weight he will start developing more of an inside game and laying more tackles. That's limiting his game at the moment, making it purely outside. He is however a guy in his second season and turned 19 this year, so I'll cut him slack. Should be playing for another 10+ years yet, and it's looking like he'll be a star.
West Coast have erred not using their no3 pick on him, he loved the wide open spaces at Subiaco on the weekend, will be a fantatic player, and for those that are saying he cant kick, i suggest you have a look at some of the goals he has kicked 60 out on the run, very happy hes playing for Melbourne.
Cale Morton is nowhere near the "best young player in the game".
He applies little-to-no defensive pressure and isn't very damaging when he gets the ball. His upside is that he can read the play and get the pill, but until he learns how to be truly effective with his disposal and win the ball for himself, he's not going to have any effect on the outcome of games.
It's not that hard to run sideways after every contest and take a mark.
He applies little-to-no defensive pressure and isn't very damaging when he gets the ball. His upside is that he can read the play and get the pill, but until he learns how to be truly effective with his disposal and win the ball for himself, he's not going to have any effect on the outcome of games.
It's not that hard to run sideways after every contest and take a mark.
So you obviously haven't watched him much right? He nearly dragged us over the line against Essendon last year. It took Lloyd having his best game of the year and booting 6/8 goals (forget if it was 6 or 8) to drag the Dons over the line. Cale had 30 disposals and kicked 3 goals in the second half, 2 on the run from outside 50. He nearly single handedly pulled off a huge upset, and was the most influential player on the ground when it counted. He got 2 Brownlow votes, and had a massive impact on the game. He has done so multiple times now.
You clearly havent watched him play if you think he doesnt have any effect. Sure he hasnt done it every week, but he is young and consistency will come. But to say he doesnt/isnt going to effect games is just plain wrong. If it werent for Davey's amazing form, he'd likely be copping a tag weekly already.
Would like to see him revert back to his U18 style (less disposals, but greater hurt factor) ... which should happen as the Dees get better and have more guys rotating through HB so he can be released more fwd of the ball into a wing / HF role ... which IMO is best.
Similar to Andrew Embley (although Cale has greater potential as he is taller, has a bigger engine, has better ball use and isn't completely selfish i.e. can bring others into the game) ... very outside front runner, offers little defensively (but can drop back and take a big reliever pack mark), can be very damaging at best (long striders and booming kicks .... big meter gaining plays and running goals) but both playing cheaply ATM. Easy enough to shut out of a game with a tag as they don't get much of their own ball / poor at winning contested football.
Similar to Andrew Embley (although Cale has greater potential as he is taller, has a bigger engine, has better ball use and isn't completely selfish i.e. can bring others into the game) ... very outside front runner, offers little defensively (but can drop back and take a big reliever pack mark), can be very damaging at best (long striders and booming kicks .... big meter gaining plays and running goals) but both playing cheaply ATM. Easy enough to shut out of a game with a tag as they don't get much of their own ball / poor at winning contested football.
Ok, honestly Rioli and Selwood..........then a fairly sizeable gap then a bunch of promising youngsters including Morton, Kreuzer, Rich, Ziebell etc.
I believe that Grimes and Bennell will prove more valuable to the demons in the long run. Bennell has the makings of a very, very good player. Morton is unlikely to ever enter the elite ranks. Bennell could.
I believe that Grimes and Bennell will prove more valuable to the demons in the long run. Bennell has the makings of a very, very good player. Morton is unlikely to ever enter the elite ranks. Bennell could.
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Probably the best ball winner of the young players but not the most damaging as of yet.
Not saying he isn't effective though; I see him as a bit of a linkman.
Not saying he isn't effective though; I see him as a bit of a linkman.
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Having watched Cale since his days at Hale I'd like to think I can coment on his the strength's and weakness's in his game.
Obviously, his aerobic capacity is exceptional, inevitably this sees alot of people equate him to being the link man, or outside runner. This isnt the case, Cale demonstrated an ability as a marking forward during his junior career capitlising on his height and superior workrate.
I'd actually like to see the Dee's fill him out and plonk at CHF or on a flank and watch him run his opponents into the ground. His top speed is good and his ability to repeat sustained bursts allowed him to a strong marking forward for Hale and the Claremont colts.
I'd like to think Cale has a workrate defensively, he is generally fairly accountable to his direct opponent. His high workrate however generally leads to his opponent following him rather than working off him simply because they are stuffed.
Cale was a go to player his entire junior career much like Jarryd and Mitch before him, when this occurs the focus shifts from defensive pressure to finding footy. He can tackle, he can spoil and he is accountable, shifting the focus should be Bailey's focus over the next two years to find the correct balance. Unlike Mitch and to a lesser degree, Jarryd, Cale is a fairly humble character and appears to be extremely coachable.
Those labelling him an outside soft receiver should consider the above points and realise he is still only 19 playing in the boys body against men. He has the courage, but at the moment he is being asked to play as a loose man.
In regards to his kicking skills, you generally do not delagate kicking in duties to poor kicks, nor do you make them sweeper across half back. Having said that, Cale appears to have taken some of the dare out of his game, before being drafted he backed his skills and would turn to the corridor on most occasions. Since his time at the Dee's, it may be part of the gameplan he tends to spot up the easy option. Were he to revert to the more dangerous options I think we would all sit up and take notice.
To summarise, I dont think he is the best young talent in the game at the moment, that is a label quite easily held by the nephew of Maurice Rioli. His upside is very good, but I'd hate to see him used soley behind the ball, his vision as a foward and forward nouse is very good and he can play as a leading forward target.
Obviously, his aerobic capacity is exceptional, inevitably this sees alot of people equate him to being the link man, or outside runner. This isnt the case, Cale demonstrated an ability as a marking forward during his junior career capitlising on his height and superior workrate.
I'd actually like to see the Dee's fill him out and plonk at CHF or on a flank and watch him run his opponents into the ground. His top speed is good and his ability to repeat sustained bursts allowed him to a strong marking forward for Hale and the Claremont colts.
I'd like to think Cale has a workrate defensively, he is generally fairly accountable to his direct opponent. His high workrate however generally leads to his opponent following him rather than working off him simply because they are stuffed.
Cale was a go to player his entire junior career much like Jarryd and Mitch before him, when this occurs the focus shifts from defensive pressure to finding footy. He can tackle, he can spoil and he is accountable, shifting the focus should be Bailey's focus over the next two years to find the correct balance. Unlike Mitch and to a lesser degree, Jarryd, Cale is a fairly humble character and appears to be extremely coachable.
Those labelling him an outside soft receiver should consider the above points and realise he is still only 19 playing in the boys body against men. He has the courage, but at the moment he is being asked to play as a loose man.
In regards to his kicking skills, you generally do not delagate kicking in duties to poor kicks, nor do you make them sweeper across half back. Having said that, Cale appears to have taken some of the dare out of his game, before being drafted he backed his skills and would turn to the corridor on most occasions. Since his time at the Dee's, it may be part of the gameplan he tends to spot up the easy option. Were he to revert to the more dangerous options I think we would all sit up and take notice.
To summarise, I dont think he is the best young talent in the game at the moment, that is a label quite easily held by the nephew of Maurice Rioli. His upside is very good, but I'd hate to see him used soley behind the ball, his vision as a foward and forward nouse is very good and he can play as a leading forward target.
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Regardless of how often you watch him, you couldn't be more wrong in your assessment of him.
As i've said earlier, he reminds me a hell of a lot of Keith Grieg in the way he goes about it, and Griegy was a bloke who went OK as a league footballer.
Cale Morton will be a 200+ game player, AA, B&F winner and a champion by the time he's done. You can bookmark that too if you like.
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Hes not even the best in that draft...
i think cotchin and kruezer are a mile ahead...
i think cotchin and kruezer are a mile ahead...
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