Oppo Camp Caleb Poulter (Bulldogs MSD 2023)

[jonmacTrag]

If we see no improvement in 2 or 3 seasons time we may be surprised who gets itchy feet (I did not think Beams would leave in 2013 but ne did just a pity he ever came back) we have to be improving as even young players who clubs want to keep do actually leave. Beams was 22 when he left and the club wanted to keep him believe me.

As I say you just have give players hope things will get better.

2 or 3 seasons time?

Seriously??

FFS we were viewed as upper middle rank after the 2007 failure against the Cats in that PF and won the flag 3 years later.

 

[Jen2310]

This group is very close.

In the time we were crap in 2014-2017 only a select few left and not because we were crap. We have no reason to be worried.


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[TradeDraft]

This group is very close.

In the time we were crap in 2014-2017 only a select few left and not because we were crap. We have no reason to be worried.


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Just Shit Coaching then?

 

[Jen2310]

Just sh*t Coaching then?

Probably


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[Gone Critical]

The money for leaving was also quite good TD do not forget. He also did not want to go to the Gold Coast where father lived at that time.

He was 25 when he started at Brisbane. His Dad had cancer that eventually claimed him within a few years. I find it poor taste to question Beams motives when you know that was the outcome.

Would you have stayed in Melbourne if you were in his situation?

 

[Gone Critical]

I'm not concerned. Players dont tend to leave of their own free will that we want to keep. Plus, I think we'll improve quicker than people think.
A 19 year is not gonna leave because there was one bad year lol

I agree them leaving is not an issue. Enough of the class of 19/20 drafts becoming best 22 is the big issue. Fingers crossed its plenty.

 

[Gone Critical]

If only his more senior team mates had that care factor when they make a blue, if that were the case, Grundy would be p1ssed off with himself over a dozen times a match. hardly ever seen him dirty on himself in his whole playing career, kind of reflects his attitude on football, very little care factor. Poulter has it all before him, will play a major and pivotal part in restoring some pride back in our team, Go forth young man, you have all the required skill set and more importantly the mindset to be the best you can be.

Really

My impression of Grundy is he is ultra competitive and professional. I don't think anyone at the club would question his playing attitude

 

[jonmacTrag]

He was 25 when he started at Brisbane. His Dad had cancer that eventually claimed him within a few years. I find it poor taste to question Beams motives when you know that was the outcome.

Would you have stayed in Melbourne if you were in his situation?

I have no issue with him leaving and would have done the same thing.
However . . .
I wouldn't have insisted on a single club - that he had been talking to during the preceding season either.

 

[Copeland]

Really

My impression of Grundy is he is ultra competitive and professional. I don't think anyone at the club would question his playing attitude

So thats why Dave didnt get a gig at the Pies

 

[Kappa]

This group is very close.

In the time we were crap in 2014-2017 only a select few left and not because we were crap. We have no reason to be worried.


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If they are so close wouldn’t they be furious with how treloar Stephenson and philips were treated?

 

[ipswichpies]

He was 25 when he started at Brisbane. His Dad had cancer that eventually claimed him within a few years. I find it poor taste to question Beams motives when you know that was the outcome.

Would you have stayed in Melbourne if you were in his situation?

No you are right I would have gone home to be with my dad, I would question his motives for returning when he knew his mental health was fragile to say the least but did he not come back to be close to his wife,s family and that turned out well for the club did it not.

He was 24 when left the 1st time also.

 

[jackcass]

The money for leaving was also quite good TD do not forget. He also did not want to go to the Gold Coast where father lived at that time.

You thinking he’d have been on a significantly lesser salary if he’d have stayed?

 

[Jen2310]

If they are so close wouldn’t they be furious with how treloar Stephenson and philips were treated?

I wouldn't think Poulter, chugg, mcmahon, Henry, Macrae, reef or Ginnivan knew Stevo, Treloar or Phillips... so doubt they care too much.

 

[jackcass]

I wouldn't think Poulter, chugg, mcmahon, Henry, Macrae, reef or Ginnivan knew Stevo, Treloar or Phillips... so doubt they care too much.

Shirley you can’t be serious? Shirley they’d get with the program and fully embrace the BF poster rage?

 

[La Dispute]

Always look like an interesting package in his draft year.

Tall, but agile with a decent kick. These kind of players often slip because recruiters have issues typecasting them. Charlie Ballard slid in his draft for similar reasons - how do you reliably take a player who could realistically develop in a whole lot of different directions?

Collingwood probably just need to persist with him as a winger to get games into him, but the ultimate aim is to develop him into an inside midfielder. Best case is a poor man’s Fyfe, worst case he becomes a rich man’s Kyle Langford.

 

[mike123]

I have no issue with him leaving and would have done the same thing.
However . . .
I wouldn't have insisted on a single club - that he had been talking to during the preceding season either.

His brother was playing for Brisbane and they gave him a better offer and the deal Brisbane gave us was fair. I can’t see the issue here.

 

[Jen2310]

Shirley you can’t be serious? Shirley they’d get with the program and fully embrace the BF poster rage?

heh not sure my mum would enjoy using her name in vain lol
Kidding, she would actually quite like her name being raised in such topics.

 

[ipswichpies]

2 or 3 seasons time?

Seriously??

FFS we were viewed as upper middle rank after the 2007 failure against the Cats in that PF and won the flag 3 years later.

I hope you are right but I am not so sure about it and I think we are in a far worse position than after 2007 PF tbh so yes I am serious.

After 07 we still had a core of senior players who had 3 or 4 seasons left something we do not have this time and I do not think I am overly cautious here, like you I would like it sooner but I do not think it will happen.

 

[jonmacTrag]

I hope you are right but I am not so sure about it and I think we are in a far worse position than after 2007 PF tbh so yes I am serious.

After 07 we still had a core of senior players who had 3 or 4 seasons left something we do not have this time and I do not think I am overly cautious here, like you I would like it sooner but I do not think it will happen.

I don't profess to have a crystal ball but I've been a supporter of this club for over half a century and I remember both 1976 and 1977.
1976 we were spooners.
1977 we missed the flag by a kick.

There is far too much histrionics surrounding our current position - driven mostly by the idiot media.

Do yourself a favour and don't buy into it - it's like feeding a troll.

 

[Chrispiesssss]

Always look like an interesting package in his draft year.

Tall, but agile with a decent kick. These kind of players often slip because recruiters have issues typecasting them. Charlie Ballard slid in his draft for similar reasons - how do you reliably take a player who could realistically develop in a whole lot of different directions?

Collingwood probably just need to persist with him as a winger to get games into him, but the ultimate aim is to develop him into an inside midfielder. Best case is a poor man’s Fyfe, worst case he becomes a rich man’s Kyle Langford.

He’s the next Bont. Lock it in.

 

[slugger01]

I don't profess to have a crystal ball but I've been a supporter of this club for over half a century and I remember both 1976 and 1977.
1976 we were spooners.
1977 we missed the flag by a kick.

There is far too much histrionics surrounding our current position - driven mostly by the idiot media.

Do yourself a favour and don't buy into it - it's like feeding a troll.

Yes, but it took an extraordinary move to make that happen.

Weideman was sacked as coach, after thinking the best way to train players was to go to the races and trots on a Thursday, and get on the beers, instead of practicing football. The list was full of quality players (Thompson, the Richardsons, Carmen, Picken, Twiggy, Manassa, Kink, P Moore, etc.) and were far better than the ladder position of wooden spooners.

Then, the Board did something that had never been done before - Appointed a coach from outside the Collingwood Football Club for the 1977 season. Hafey was the first outsider to coach CFC. Many people thought that was the end of the Collingwood tradition..

Maybe history needs to be repeated?
New Board, Come on down, Clarkson...

 

[ipswichpies]

I don't profess to have a crystal ball but I've been a supporter of this club for over half a century and I remember both 1976 and 1977.
1976 we were spooners.
1977 we missed the flag by a kick.

There is far too much histrionics surrounding our current position - driven mostly by the idiot media.

Do yourself a favour and don't buy into it - it's like feeding a troll.

Let me ask you something do you think we are in a better or worse position than 07 currently, I am also of an age where I recall 76 and 77 as well and as such I do not recall to many instances of a club finishing bottom and winning the next season it rarely happens in any sport anywhere.

I also am not influenced by the media I just make my judgments on what I see with my own eyes and experience.

 

[jonmacTrag]

Yes, but it took an extraordinary move to make that happen.

Weideman was sacked as coach, after thinking the best way to train players was to go to the races and trots on a Thursday, and get on the beers, instead of practicing football. The list was full of quality players (Thompson, the Richardsons, Carmen, Picken, Twiggy, Manassa, Kink, P Moore, etc.) and were far better than the ladder position of wooden spooners.

Then, the Board did something that had never been done before - Appointed a coach from outside the Collingwood Football Club for the 1977 season. Hafey was the first outsider to coach CFC. Many people thought that was the end of the Collingwood tradition..

Maybe history needs to be repeated?
New Board, Come on down, Clarkson...

It doesn't have to happen in a year but it needs to happen in the short term.

What needs to happen in a year is for the club to become more accountable from the Pres down to the boot studder. Transparency isn't the full answer or for that matter the only correct answer but lack of it allows malcontents and incompetents to hide behind the veil.

I have no opinions as to head coaches but I sincerely doubt Clarkson will touch us with a barge pole, likewise any well established head coach. There has been too much bloodletting splashed all over the media.

We need to get our house in order before we can even think of luring a Clarkson type to the club.

A general meeting with a public spill for board positions would be lovely but that will never happen - however there needs to be a clean out and that will come now.

 

[jonmacTrag]

Let me ask you something do you think we are in a better or worse position than 07 currently, I am also of an age where I recall 76 and 77 as well and as such I do not recall to many instances of a club finishing bottom and winning the next season it rarely happens in any sport anywhere.

I also am not influenced by the media I just make my judgments on what I see with my own eyes and experience.

Let me ask you something do you think we are in a better or worse position than 07 currently, I am also of an age where I recall 76 and 77 as well and as such I do not recall to many instances of a club finishing bottom and winning the next season it rarely happens in any sport anywhere.

I also am not influenced by the media I just make my judgments on what I see with my own eyes and experience.

The rarity is exactly my point - I was too young to remember it but my father remembered '58 clearly - if you are unfamiliar with that flag it was the year we stopped Melbourne from equaling our 4pete - make no mistake that Melbourne team was a true team of champions and Norm Smith was a deserved legendary coach - almost as good as our own legend. Our team were good but talent wise not in the same league.

2018 was much along the same lines - that side with a 2nd and 3rd string backline and players carrying injuries had no right to be within a bulls roar of West Coast that day.

When this club is playing for pride we do remarkable things.

We need to rediscover that more than any other improvement I can think of.

 

[mike123]

2 or 3 seasons time?

Seriously??

FFS we were viewed as upper middle rank after the 2007 failure against the Cats in that PF and won the flag 3 years later.

Our 2007 team was allot better than our 2020 team and the 2007 team didn’t lose three best 22 players in their prime.