Traded Cameron McCarthy [traded to Fremantle with picks 7, 33 and 71 for pick 3]

[Bender571]

Everybody lost, not just GWS. McCarthy misses a whole year of AFL in a career of just 10 years, that's a big chunk. It will cost him future earnings (not worth as much as he would be had he played) plus experience. It wouldn't have calmed his mental demons at all and Freo still had nothing and will be getting a less experienced player than they would otherwise have got.

Nobody wins. The only difference is that had GWS done the trade, they would be put in this place repeatedly every year. At least now GWS players will think hard about signing contract extensions.

The biggest failure here was McCarthy's player manager, you'd assume he's been sacked. I'm tipping he told McCarthy to sign the extension knowing he wasn't entirely happy, but probably advised the kid that GWS would just 'let him go' if he wanted to anyway. He's done serious damage to his client's career and life.

Isn't this a bad thing for GWS? With McCarthy they had leverage in a trade, when pick 2 O'Rouke wanted out they had to take unders.

McCarthy (and Kelly and Barrett) extended their contracts just a few month after they were drafted. According to the GWS board not a single 2015 draftee has signed a contract extension. I'm not saying they're leaving or unhappy, but they might be a bit more reluctant to sign an extension knowing that GWS won't let them leave if their circumstances change.

 

[TheLastCall]

GWS wanted badly to be seen as 'tough' last year. They felt they had no choice. It soured a couple of other trades that they were willing to do: the Tomlinson to Carlton trade comes to mind.
But, like Saint, I cannot see anyone coming out of this one a winner. It is just that some will lose more than others.
If I were McCarthy, and I had NOT replaced my management, I would do so ASAP. They read everything wrong and hurt the player they are paid to look after, not to mention their own pockets. With some clearer thinking and some better negotiating, both sides could have salvaged something worthwhile and been, well, not happy, but much less unhappy.

Read somewhere that Cam did change his manager to Young after he'd resigned.

Still think is GWS wanted to make a stand they should have done it with a Melbourne club. Would have had more affect. Most Melbourne clubs don't care about Freo, so will have little affect on them. Besides Grubby wanted a distraction while he did a deal with Collingwood.

 

[The 747]

It might not be a huge drop in value but it's not a good look from a player management perspective. He's been living in Perth all year and they're still in the media talking about their chances of keeping him and how much they want him.

Anywy GWS are not a 'normal' club, if they want to have all these concessions and all the best kids in the country they've got to accept some will leave. Strangely enough they've been pretty nice about trading most of them, especially to their old mate silvagni at Carlton. For some reason not with cam.

Probably something do with a very promising season from Cam, plus that he had a contract for two more years. And no doubt Boyd leaving the year before had an influence. Anyways, what's done is done.

 

[Saint]

GWS are playing in a Prelim final, I doubt they really give a stuff if they stuffed up on Cam McCarthy, they made a point.

History shows that success is much more important for signing players than prior dealings with other players.

I think GWS got their back up with McCarthy because he issued the ultimatum. It didn't just send a message to McCarthy, but also to Freo and every other club not to convince players to issue ultimatums or it'll be bad for everyone.

 

[Cleric]

GWS wanted badly to be seen as 'tough' last year. They felt they had no choice. It soured a couple of other trades that they were willing to do: the Tomlinson to Carlton trade comes to mind.
But, like Saint, I cannot see anyone coming out of this one a winner. It is just that some will lose more than others.
If I were McCarthy, and I had NOT replaced my management, I would do so ASAP. They read everything wrong and hurt the player they are paid to look after, not to mention their own pockets. With some clearer thinking and some better negotiating, both sides could have salvaged something worthwhile and been, well, not happy, but much less unhappy.

A player manager only does what his player asks him to do.

 

[bombers55]

I've got a lot to this spring thank you, like debating whether brad Hill is a superstar or an ok player in a good team, trying to understand why mick Barlow is being let go and watching the wafc nerf the alignment model after peel wins the wafl premiership!

Brad Hill is just an OK player in a super team and if Hawthorn Con another team in thinking there players are great I will give up..

Examples are
Mitch Hallahan
Jed Anderson

They just have a good system I guarantee you Freemantle and the gold coast will get bent over by the hawks on these O'meara and Hill trades.

 

[dlanod]

A player manager only does what his player asks him to do.

If you believe that's exactly how it works I've got a bridge to sell you.

A player manager won't do stuff without the sign off of his player but it's a two way street - if the manager suggests he can get the guy a huge pay rise or that clubs have come knocking, the player is going to listen.

 

[Andy Brennan]

Brad Hill is just an OK player in a super team and if Hawthorn Con another team in thinking there players are great I will give up..

Examples are
Mitch Hallahan
Jed Anderson

They just have a good system I guarantee you Freemantle and the gold coast will get bent over by the hawks on these O'meara and Hill trades.

At least brads a first 22 player there and not a 'can't get a game at the Hawks but would anywhere else' player. Hope freo have the guts to walk away if it's too much

 

[freofc1994]

GWS are playing in a Prelim final, I doubt they really give a stuff if they stuffed up on Cam McCarthy, they made a point.

History shows that success is much more important for signing players than prior dealings with other players.

I think GWS got their back up with McCarthy because he issued the ultimatum. It didn't just send a message to McCarthy, but also to Freo and every other club not to convince players to issue ultimatums or it'll be bad for everyone.

I can’t imagine the club wanting to do the deal was the one issuing the ultimatum. That would be coming from the players manager either from the player himself or the manager hoping to get a deal moving. In this case it wasn't a good manoeuvre by McCarthy/Young especially going public with it. These ultimatums are made all the time, it’s just done quietly behind closed doors

 

[Saint]

I can’t imagine the club wanting to do the deal was the one issuing the ultimatum. That would be coming from the players manager either from the player himself or the manager hoping to get a deal moving. In this case it wasn't a good manoeuvre by McCarthy/Young especially going public with it. These ultimatums are made all the time, it’s just done quietly behind closed doors

You would think Freo would have had prior knowledge of it, since they must have spoken with the manager and come to an in-principle agreement. The kid isn't going to drop an ultimatum about being traded to a preferred club if that club has no idea he's doing it.

 

[Saint]

Isn't this a bad thing for GWS? With McCarthy they had leverage in a trade, when pick 2 O'Rouke wanted out they had to take unders.

McCarthy (and Kelly and Barrett) extended their contracts just a few month after they were drafted. According to the GWS board not a single 2015 draftee has signed a contract extension. I'm not saying they're leaving or unhappy, but they might be a bit more reluctant to sign an extension knowing that GWS won't let them leave if their circumstances change.

Hopper's the only 2015 draftee getting a game and he's an academy pick from Ballarat, the other draft picks from 2015 are NSW academy players also, so they're probably not too fussed about them wanting to go home so there wouldn't be much need to sign contract extensions for local kids who have barely played a game.

Plus, pick 19 for O'Rourke is looking like a pretty good trade for the Giants, O'Rourke can't get a game.

 

[freofc1994]

You would think Freo would have had prior knowledge of it, since they must have spoken with the manager and come to an in-principle agreement. The kid isn't going to drop an ultimatum about being traded to a preferred club if that club has no idea he's doing it.

Of course Freo reached an in principle arrangement in terms of contract with the players manager, however no ultimatum would have come from Freo on the matter and it didn't. Colin Young made the statement...Fremantle were in no position to make ultimatums to a club who held a player on contract

 

[Cleric]

If you believe that's exactly how it works I've got a bridge to sell you.

A player manager won't do stuff without the sign off of his player but it's a two way street - if the manager suggests he can get the guy a huge pay rise or that clubs have come knocking, the player is going to listen.

Wether or not he wants to move clubs to go home or decides to sit the year out is 100% player.

 

[beowulf]

A player manager only does what his player asks him to do.

Not the good ones. The player may have to agree, but the manager has a LOT of power in helping the player make up his mind. Especially if the player has a tendency to change his mind. McCarthy certainly did.

 

[Cleric]

Not the good ones. The player may have to agree, but the manager has a LOT of power in helping the player make up his mind. Especially if the player has a tendency to change his mind. McCarthy certainly did.

Obviously Cam was indeed suffering from mental health issues and wanted to go home to be with his family, his manager tried to get him home and GWS said no. So he then is unable to play football due to his health issues and goes on leave.
I cannot see what his manager has done wrong.

 

[mightymouse75]

Would have been interesting to see if he had even got many games this year. I guess we will never know. The best thing about doing so shit this year is knowing gws won't get our number 3 pick))

 

[Tony_Clifton]

If we got cam last year we might have done better and not finished third last. All hypothetical.

.....also

Done with his thread till after finals.

Welcome back

 

[Colonial]

If we got cam last year we might have done better and not finished third last. All hypothetical.

.....also
Welcome back

Well that happened quicker than id hoped.

Now where were we?

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[craffles]

Anyone who has seen cam lately comment on his physical condition? Last I'd heard he had gone back to WA and was looking rather skinny from his "issues".

 

[Moist Biscuit]

Well that happened quicker than id hoped.

Now where were we?

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Freo Poster " you will get less this year haha"
GWS Poster "So what it was worth it"
Freo Poster " no it wasn't"
GWS Poster " Yes it was"
Rinse, Repeat, Thread.

 

[mightymouse75]

Haha. As if anyone on big footy actually knows anything

 

[mtooler]

I dont mind the stance GWS took, unless the original offer was amazing, the kid can pout for a year and play in 2017.

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

If you believe that's exactly how it works I've got a bridge to sell you.

A player manager won't do stuff without the sign off of his player but it's a two way street - if the manager suggests he can get the guy a huge pay rise or that clubs have come knocking, the player is going to listen.

Yes. And then after he's listened and his options are known, the player makes his decision.

 

[Nenks]

GWS wanted badly to be seen as 'tough' last year. They felt they had no choice. It soured a couple of other trades that they were willing to do: the Tomlinson to Carlton trade comes to mind.
But, like Saint, I cannot see anyone coming out of this one a winner. It is just that some will lose more than others.
If I were McCarthy, and I had NOT replaced my management, I would do so ASAP. They read everything wrong and hurt the player they are paid to look after, not to mention their own pockets. With some clearer thinking and some better negotiating, both sides could have salvaged something worthwhile and been, well, not happy, but much less unhappy.

A part of me feels sorry for GWS, the media scrutiny last year was intense. Practically every media report coming out of Melbourne said that GWS had to stand firm following the Boyd trade to Bulldogs. Simply put, they were pressured by the media to stand firm.

But then I remember all those 1st round draft concessions, salary cap concessions, initial enlarged squad sizes, academy picks, COLA, and it's like.... Meh. Why should I care for a team that has possibly been handed a future premiership cup without doing it the hard way like freo did in its early years. Or like the Bulldogs are doing now through smart drafting and hard work.

It's hard to have respect for a team with a silver spoon in its mouth.

 

[dlanod]

Yes. And then after he's listened and his options are known, the player makes his decision.

Yep, "a player manager won't do stuff without the sign off of his player".

I think it's a worthy distinction from "A player manager only does what his player asks him to do."