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Don't know why anyone would feel sympathy for him.

Pretty transparent that's why he's on the show.

Drugs and booze aren't a reason for violence and acting like an arogant SOB, they're an excuse.

For the sake of the people around him I hope he gets his shit together but I won't hold my breathe.
 
when hinch was telling his story about carey and co shaking up the van with someone inside, the smirk on careys face looked like a smirk of 'reminiscing the good old days' and was trying to hold it back

I thought his faced expressed utter disbelief at the story that he had just heard...

I he had really pulled a gun out, do you really think he would of been let off?
 
Don't bother with it mate. You can't win.

Quite clearly, many of the people in this thread spent the most formative years of their childhoods devoid of a mother, stuck with an aggressive alcoholic father and were bought up by their big sisters.

Quite clearly these very same people have never told a lie.

Guess that makes it all ok then.
 

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waynes father kevin used to drink at same pub as my old man years ago and can tell you he likes the grog and can be a intimidating bloke.he know drinks at my wifes cousins pub she works at and seen him ther a couple of weeks ago sitting out the front drinking chatted to him for a bit but never really talk about wayne think its a touchy subject.wouldnt of wanted him to be my old man as he is hard,thought my old man was.so dont know if all the stories about his old man are true,i know that he always been a big drinker and got into trouble with cops a few times.so dont know if hes to blame for all his sons problems
 
Denton wasn't playing chief prosecutor, but that to his credit imho, I think he coaxed more from Carey that way. Rarely has the name "Enough Rope" been so apt. Too much didn't ring true- claimed to drink to oblivion, yet had a clear recollection of events leading to his current legal situation(s)?

The most poignant moment was Carey claiming he wasn't aggressive, then when Denton replied with a laundry list of his self-confessed actions- shouting, throwing glasses of wine, etc- "Well, I suppose when you put it like that..."

I have sympathy for how Carey got to where he is, but that isn't to excuse him for anything he has done as a legal, responsible adult. He clearly has plenty still to confront before he can genuinely claim to have turned a corner, but at least it looks like he is heading in the direction of a mirror.
 
Each individual has to ask themselves which stories they would like to belive. Journalists whos job it is to stir up trouble and sell newspapers. Or a man with a drug and alcohol problem who was the best footballer most of us have ever seen.

The most disapointing thing I found was that he spent his first four years in Melbourne hating the place and wanting to get back to Adelaide. Surely in 1991 the Crows could of made a strong attempt to lure him over. Early to mid 90s Carey at Adelaide would mean we would have more flags. Oh well.:rolleyes:
 
Dont believe he was being entirely honest with a lot of his answers though.
Always hard to tell with Carey - he's always looked uncomfortable in front of the camera. Clearly in denial about a few things but there was nothing that stood out as a lie

The New Idea thing still sounds suss but the rest of it isn't all that hard to believe.
Would New Idea really pay $180,000 and allow the ABC to have the same interview for free a day later?

And to the tools saying he didn't take responsibility for what he did, replay the interview because he said it was his fault about 20 times!
That wasn't entirely convincing. He still doesn't seem completely convinced it's his fault although he's improving.
 
I would think that appearing on a show like Denton's on the ABC would have been a suggestion of whoever he is seeing for help. Yes he seemed to smirk alot, YES his stories sounded dubious, and YES he shouldn't be excused for any of his actions due to relating them to alcohol/drugs/upbringing etc.

What I saw however, was a bloke that obviously wasn't entirely comfortable being there, and I think his smirk would be to cover a petrified feeling that few would be able to understand sitting in the studio where he was.

At the end of the interview where Denton asked him about his idea of what domestic violence is, and whether Carey deems himself to have trouble with aggression, Carey claimed he didn't belive he did. When Denton brought up the wine throwing incident (malicious or not) and said something along the lines of "is that not aggression?" Carey seemed to have some concession in that it was an issue that may need to be worked on. Not sure if it can be considered an admission of a violent personality, but much more significant I think than the "bombshell" claims on cocaine use and being an alcoholic that the media will sprawl on, and a glimps that the interview is for the better for him.

Agreed with Caro on Footy classified on the Herald Sun's gutter-British-style tabloid story on interviewing a half pissed Carey dad. Good to see Archer slam it as well despite working for the small paper. Hutchy moved the topic along pretty quickly after Arch expressed his dissapointment.
 
I would think that appearing on a show like Denton's on the ABC would have been a suggestion of whoever he is seeing for help. Yes he seemed to smirk alot, YES his stories sounded dubious, and YES he shouldn't be excused for any of his actions due to relating them to alcohol/drugs/upbringing etc.

What I saw however, was a bloke that obviously wasn't entirely comfortable being there, and I think his smirk would be to cover a petrified feeling that few would be able to understand sitting in the studio where he was.

At the end of the interview where Denton asked him about his idea of what domestic violence is, and whether Carey deems himself to have trouble with aggression, Carey claimed he didn't belive he did. When Denton brought up the wine throwing incident (malicious or not) and said something along the lines of "is that not aggression?" Carey seemed to have some concession in that it was an issue that may need to be worked on. Not sure if it can be considered an admission of a violent personality, but much more significant I think than the "bombshell" claims on cocaine use and being an alcoholic that the media will sprawl on, and a glimps that the interview is for the better for him.

Agreed with Caro on Footy classified on the Herald Sun's gutter-British-style tabloid story on interviewing a half pissed Carey dad. Good to see Archer slam it as well despite working for the small paper. Hutchy moved the topic along pretty quickly after Arch expressed his dissapointment.
Hutchy later has a go at Archer for not "backing" him when questioning Clarko over his contract negotiations. Who is Hutchy to question the great man Archer.
 

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Guess that makes it all ok then.


It doesn't make it ok because everybody makes their own decisions in life but one is more likely to turn out an alcoholic or abusive if this is how they were brought up. Some people are strong enough not to fall into the same trap whilst others are not. Carey's actions should not be condoned and he has taken full responsibility for them but everyone should just get over this and let him sort out his life. I am sure that most people that are bagging him out on BF have done things that they are not proud of.
 
Did anyone notice Terry Wallace in the audience? Had a note pad and was writing down "Advanced Spin Techniques and how to generate public sympathy" as the heading. Excellent work Terry. No rest for the wicked:thumbsu:

Didn't notice him. Maybe he was a little obscured by Clarko furiously jotting down notes about "Advanced Spin Techniques For Denial Of Over- Aggressiveness Despite The Multitude Of Evidence Just Outlined To Reinforce The Existence Of Such Behaviour"
 
I thought it was a great interview, some parts were uncomfortable to watch, and it was'nt the confident, arrogant Carey of old.

It seemed to me, (and I am not condoning his actions) he was just realising the magnitude of some of the poor decisions he had made, and the impact on those around him.

I hope for his daughter's sake he can get his life back on track.
 
Agreed with Caro on Footy classified on the Herald Sun's gutter-British-style tabloid story on interviewing a half pissed Carey dad. Good to see Archer slam it as well despite working for the small paper. Hutchy moved the topic along pretty quickly after Arch expressed his dissapointment.


My hat went off to Archer when he said that. I think most people could learn alot from Archer. He would be well within his right to get stuck into Carey yet he stated that people should just give him his space and let him sort his life out. I always thought Archer was a standup guy but my opinion of him went up tonight.
 
I would think that appearing on a show like Denton's on the ABC would have been a suggestion of whoever he is seeing for help. Yes he seemed to smirk alot, YES his stories sounded dubious, and YES he shouldn't be excused for any of his actions due to relating them to alcohol/drugs/upbringing etc.

What I saw however, was a bloke that obviously wasn't entirely comfortable being there, and I think his smirk would be to cover a petrified feeling that few would be able to understand sitting in the studio where he was.

At the end of the interview where Denton asked him about his idea of what domestic violence is, and whether Carey deems himself to have trouble with aggression, Carey claimed he didn't belive he did. When Denton brought up the wine throwing incident (malicious or not) and said something along the lines of "is that not aggression?" Carey seemed to have some concession in that it was an issue that may need to be worked on. Not sure if it can be considered an admission of a violent personality, but much more significant I think than the "bombshell" claims on cocaine use and being an alcoholic that the media will sprawl on, and a glimps that the interview is for the better for him.

Agreed with Caro on Footy classified on the Herald Sun's gutter-British-style tabloid story on interviewing a half pissed Carey dad. Good to see Archer slam it as well despite working for the small paper. Hutchy moved the topic along pretty quickly after Arch expressed his dissapointment.

Fair call. My amateur grasp of psychology read the smirk as a residual of his previously bullet proof self confidence, combined with an attempt to look comfortable with something that was extremely uncomfortable. Just a theory, but he didn't give me the impression of someone trying to bullshit his way through it
 
There is so much more to this than the surface "cheap shots" purvey.

Wayne Carey, was a legend footballer. Captain of his beloved shinboners, arguably the best modern day footballer, dual premiership winner, the world was his oyster. And then, as happens in thousands of everyday peoples' lives, he made one absolutely crap decision that changed his chosen path forever. The consequences of that one decision led to him being sacked from his beloved North Melbourne. Disgraced, embarrassed, Carey fled the country.

Allowing time for things to calm down, Carey made one final effort to redeem himself doing the only thing he knew how. He went "home" to Adelaide, and tried to recreate the magic he had once known, with the Adelaide Football Club. Alas, his body had other ideas. Now the once great man was forced to face life after football - something that he had probably never even started to contemplate before that fateful day in Glen Archers house. His fall from grace was so dramatic and so sudden. His one shining light was the fact that he wasn't hard on the eye, and had a pretty reasonable knowledge of the game. A job in the footballing media was a given, but I don't think he ever reconciled what it was that he lost and this was really evident in tonights interview.

How many stories have we heard about players suffering from depression once their playing careers ended? Can you imagine what he must have gone through as one of the most celebrated players of our time, to be shamed and humiliated, sacked and banished from a club he adored.... what must his mental state have been like? To put this in perspective, if Carey had had an affair with any woman outside of the footy club, the blokes - his team mates - probably would have slapped him on the back and grunted their approval and told him what a dick he was for getting caught.

There is a saying that goes: Before you throws stones of judgment, walk a mile in my shoes.

As for the interview tonight, that took a lot of guts. The man is so ashamed, so embarrassed. He couldn't even say out loud that he was seeing a counsellor (s) - all he could bring himself to say was that he was "talking about it". And is it so far from the realms of possibility that in their inebriated state that the throwing of wine in the girlfriend's face resulting in a cut lip because the glass made contact, wasn't the truth?

So many of you are so quick to judge a man who has bared himself to us. He didn't have to do that. But he did. AND he didn't pass the buck. He accepted full responsibility for his actions. He didn't blame his father or his crappy childhood, he didn't even blame alcohol/drugs. But he did say that in all the incidents highlighted by Denton, they were present.

Australia is famous for it's tall poppy syndrome. Interestingly it is still alive and well.
 
I love some of the tough guy responses in this thread. Wow he's a liar, wow he's pathetic, wow everything Wayne Carey says is false.

The story has tragedy written all over it from start to finish. You're saying he's a liar but I found lots of truths in much that he said. Sure there were some things that came across as a bit suss but who here can honestly say they've never gotten so drunk that they don't remember vividly details of certain events? I'm not condoning his actions and from what I saw nor was he. Everyone would do exactly the same thing when recounting their story and the bloke is sick, he's still in denial about elements of his personal life. This was a massive step for him and I hope he can turn it all around. Love to see half of the people flaming him on here be so condascending about Wayne to his face (or even his brothers for that matter).

FWIW One of my rellies used to knock around at a pub that Carey's old man drank at and the blokes reputation follows him wherever he goes. Even the bouncers wouldn't touch him when he was in his late 50's and that's not exactly in his prime. Wayne has made some terrible decisions in his life but for his family and his daughters sake i hope he can escape the eyes of the media and turn it all around.

Good luck duck, you've got a long road ahead
 
It does seem as though Carey has finally realised he really can't get any lower, and needs to change his behaviour, and he felt this was a good step to take.

Unfortunately he still has to lie to cover his tracks, because despite wanting to accept that he has made huge mistakes, he simply doesn't want to go to jail for anything he has done, so will do everything he can to avoid it.

Plus he remains an arrogant ********.

Very interesting interview. One thing in particular that I noticed - his sister said that Wayne on the football field was different to the Wayne she knew. The question is, did drugs play a part in this change? I'm not convinced by any means that he never took drugs before he retired. Wouldn't be surprised if that drops a few Crows in hot water as well, if the truth came out.
 
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you obviously don't know a good and sincere interview when you come across one, right?

Denton definitely put the pressure on and Carey seemed honest and sincere in his replies but very nervous. I thought it was a fantastic interview about the real Wayne Carey and Denton coaxed a fair amount out of him...respect to Carey for putting himself on the line like that with the best in the business and I'd like to think he's getting the appropriate help with his life, god knows this game doesn't need another Ablett snr or Chris Mainwairing!
 
thought it was a good interview and likely an important step for the duck to sort out his life and head in the right direction.

Or do people just want him to hit rock bottom and neck himself so they can read about it in the paper?
 
There is so much more to this than the surface "cheap shots" purvey.

Wayne Carey, was a legend footballer. Captain of his beloved shinboners, arguably the best modern day footballer, dual premiership winner, the world was his oyster. And then, as happens in thousands of everyday peoples' lives, he made one absolutely crap decision that changed his chosen path forever. The consequences of that one decision led to him being sacked from his beloved North Melbourne. Disgraced, embarrassed, Carey fled the country.

Allowing time for things to calm down, Carey made one final effort to redeem himself doing the only thing he knew how. He went "home" to Adelaide, and tried to recreate the magic he had once known, with the Adelaide Football Club. Alas, his body had other ideas. Now the once great man was forced to face life after football - something that he had probably never even started to contemplate before that fateful day in Glen Archers house. His fall from grace was so dramatic and so sudden. His one shining light was the fact that he wasn't hard on the eye, and had a pretty reasonable knowledge of the game. A job in the footballing media was a given, but I don't think he ever reconciled what it was that he lost and this was really evident in tonights interview.

How many stories have we heard about players suffering from depression once their playing careers ended? Can you imagine what he must have gone through as one of the most celebrated players of our time, to be shamed and humiliated, sacked and banished from a club he adored.... what must his mental state have been like? To put this in perspective, if Carey had had an affair with any woman outside of the footy club, the blokes - his team mates - probably would have slapped him on the back and grunted their approval and told him what a dick he was for getting caught.

There is a saying that goes: Before you throws stones of judgment, walk a mile in my shoes.

As for the interview tonight, that took a lot of guts. The man is so ashamed, so embarrassed. He couldn't even say out loud that he was seeing a counsellor (s) - all he could bring himself to say was that he was "talking about it". And is it so far from the realms of possibility that in their inebriated state that the throwing of wine in the girlfriend's face resulting in a cut lip because the glass made contact, wasn't the truth?

So many of you are so quick to judge a man who has bared himself to us. He didn't have to do that. But he did. AND he didn't pass the buck. He accepted full responsibility for his actions. He didn't blame his father or his crappy childhood, he didn't even blame alcohol/drugs. But he did say that in all the incidents highlighted by Denton, they were present.

Australia is famous for it's tall poppy syndrome. Interestingly it is still alive and well.

best post i've read on this site in a long time :thumbsu::thumbsu::thumbsu:
 

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