Carlton’s soul exorcised, I am disappointed

[Thrawn]

Carlton is just stupidd, you don't need high picks to get good players. take Hirdy for example 79!!

Any comments about the actual post?

 

[Silvagnis]

What will bring them back is pride and a winning culture . Not a kid .

Who said anything about a kid and not striving for a winning culture?

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Tanking sucks when you've kept pick one and signed Judd.

Our soul has been exorcised by tanking and our culture has taken a battering.

How will we recover?

 

[SolidTiger]

After 5 years of copping regular thrashings you tend to become a bit desensitized to it.

Welcome to the life of a Richmond supporter.

 

[caligula]

Tanking sucks when you've kept pick one and signed Judd.

Our soul has been exorcised by tanking and our culture has taken a battering.

How will we recover?

 

[la47]

Screw Pick 1 and Judd I wish we'd beaten Melbourne

 

[Baroclinic instability]

Screw Pick 1 and Judd I wish we'd beaten Melbourne

Agreed

The memories of such a big win would have lasted forever

Now in 10 years time I'll be reminding others of the one that got away

My Melbourne supporting mates have been giving me so much shit about it

 

[marcmurphy3]

Screw Pick 1 and Judd I wish we'd beaten Melbourne

Are you joking. I seriously hope you are.

I usually use this sign for sarcasm:

 

[la47]

Are you joking. I seriously hope you are.

I usually use this sign for sarcasm:

No I'm not, I feel that my club has been irreparably torn apart...the Melbourne game will always be thought of by me as the one that got away.

I am ashamed

 

[Missing Doogs]

No I'm not, I feel that my club has been irreparably torn apart...the Melbourne game will always be thought of by me as the one that got away.

I am ashamed

Good on you mate, it shows you are a true supporter.

Those other "fans" laughing at you have just become so used to losing they have forgotten the stigma that goes with it.

If this blues side ever does win a flag, I think more than ever it will be remembered for the deceitful way in which it assembled it's list.

 

[Silvagnis]

Good on you mate, it shows you are a true supporter.

Those other "fans" laughing at you have just become so used to losing they have forgotten the stigma that goes with it.

If this blues side ever does win a flag, I think more than ever it will be remembered for the deceitful way in which it assembled it's list.

Did someone break your sarcasm detector?

Good on you mate, it shows you are a true supporter.

Those other "fans" laughing at you have just become so used to losing they have forgotten the stigma that goes with it.

If this blues side ever does win a flag, I think more than ever it will be remembered for the deceitful way in which it assembled it's list.

West Coast draft Judd as a PP and he won you a flag.

The AFL handed you your first two flags with the draft concessions you received on start up.

You didn't earn those flags because of good recruiting.

 

[gandaal]

No I'm not, I feel that my club has been irreparably torn apart...the Melbourne game will always be thought of by me as the one that got away.

I am ashamed

LOL

 

[rokket80]

No I'm not, I feel that my club has been irreparably torn apart...the Melbourne game will always be thought of by me as the one that got away.

I am ashamed

Think back to 1995 then mate, 2 weeks in a row, St Kilda and Sydney.. 2 bottom sides.. I think tanking may have been around alot longer than people think, Pretty sure we had quite a good end of season trip that year too.

 

[mediumsizered]

Good on you mate, it shows you are a true supporter.

Those other "fans" laughing at you have just become so used to losing they have forgotten the stigma that goes with it.

If this blues side ever does win a flag, I think more than ever it will be remembered for the deceitful way in which it assembled it's list.

It would be a shame if that is the case, because the majority of players that make up that side would have been the product of recruiting during the years when we actually were bad enough we didn't need to tank, which means the majority were acquired as per the AFL's quaint form of socialism.

I was devastated by what I saw from my club in the last month of the season. Not for a minute do I think the players tanked, because they didn't. Unfortunately the club chose to put players out to pasture & play kids for the sake of playing them, meaning the handful of experienced players left in the team had the odds stacked against them.

At the start of the season I predicted Carlton would win between 6-8 games for the season. I have no doubt if our best available players were selected in the last month of the season we would have at least beaten Essendon (lost by 10 points) & Melbourne (we selected the youngest team in the history of the club). That gives us 6 wins, instead of 4 & perhaps you could throw in the Collingwood game, where scores were level at the 23 minute mark of the last quarter & Fev was benched with an 'injury'. 6/7 wins for the season would have been a fair indicator of where the club is really at. I hope I never again have to witness what I saw in the last month of the season, & in particular the round 22 game.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

It would be a shame if that is the case, because the majority of players that make up that side would have been the product of recruiting during the years when we actually were bad enough we didn't need to tank, which means the majority were acquired as per the AFL's quaint form of socialism.

I was devastated by what I saw from my club in the last month of the season. Not for a minute do I think the players tanked, because they didn't. Unfortunately the club chose to put players out to pasture & play kids for the sake of playing them, meaning the handful of experienced players left in the team had the odds stacked against them.

At the start of the season I predicted Carlton would win between 6-8 games for the season. I have no doubt if our best available players were selected in the last month of the season we would have at least beaten Essendon (lost by 10 points) & Melbourne (we selected the youngest team in the history of the club). That gives us 6 wins, instead of 4 & perhaps you could throw in the Collingwood game, where scores were level at the 23 minute mark of the last quarter & Fev was benched with an 'injury'. 6/7 wins for the season would have been a fair indicator of where the club is really at. I hope I never again have to witness what I saw in the last month of the season, & in particular the round 22 game.

Like Old Dark Navys and a couple of other Blues supporters, you're a credit to your footy club. Top notch posting.

 

[Thrawn]

I feel vindicated.

Several years later, despite all these high picks, we are looking like wooden spooners. So much for this "throw the game for pick X" bullshit.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

I feel vindicated.

Several years later, despite all these high picks, we are looking like wooden spooners. So much for this "throw the game for pick X" bullshit.

It's funny how many regular people (like yourself) could see it at the time.

 

[JeffDunne]

I feel vindicated.

Me too.

 

[BALKAN]

Good thread. Winning culture isn't a switch you can flick on and off. Gonna be many years before we get the 'loser' out of our playing list.

 

[E Shed]

Terrific OP. very prescient!

 

[Thrawn]

It's funny how many regular people (like yourself) could see it at the time.

I was criticised for it too, because apparently it got in the way of some people's pipe dreams that getting Gibbs, Kruezer, etc meant we'd be competing for top four spot, possibly a premiership.

 

[blaze036]

Carlton and Melbourne have done more to ward off tanking than anything the AFL could ever do

 

[BM123]

Carlton used to be a club that emphasised passion and pride, above all else. Even the odd touch of arrogance was there but it was there for a reason because we used to be respected and feared. Now I see my club in its current state, struggling for the past six years and barely showing a whimper. It hurts my mind. It hurts my soul. What have we become, that even our very own supporters wished for a spoon earlier this week just to get one place higher in the draft, and/or an extra pick? What has made this club so great over the best part of a hundred years is that it had pride, passion and the will to win. Even when the odds were great against us and the wins would do nothing for the seasons in question.

Call me an old school supporter if you will, but I do not believe a PP or any draft pick for that matter is worth destroying this pride for. The general idea of dropping games for one extra teenager who may or may not even turn out a superstar is quite disgusting, and embraces a losing mentality. Such a mentality should not be exposed to the younger playing group because such attitudes destroy confidence, it destroys their own belief that the club can go places with them contributing.

It also destroys cultures.

I admit that the PP will help, to an extent, but there have been many overly optimistic and even ridiculous claims. He will be the best player in the competition, he will be a 200 gamer, he will set us back 5 years if we miss him, he will instantly inspire those around him, he will turn water into wine, etc. But I am being a realist here – well, I think I am… this teenager may have a lot of potential but he has never played at senior level. He will need to be developed properly, in a good environment and nurtured by people who know what they are doing. All in all though, he will be a fresh fish and a nervous one at that, with the pressure of the entire club and supporter base on his shoulders. The bright white hope, at 18 years of age, taking the team and the club off the bottom - what expectation. I feel incredibly sorry for the kid. It is no good introducing kids in a team that thinks losing is OK – what good will that do to his confidence? What chance does he have to develop properly or at a faster rate when his team mates don’t give a damn about the jumper? Any kid will find it very hard to perform if he gets little support and is down on confidence, no matter how talented he is.

Is a single PP worth destroying our soul over? I don’t think it is – in fact, I think we can build a good team and have some success without the PP. Yes it will help, but retaining our pride and missing out won’t ruin our future. After all, it is only one individual. It all comes back to the players and the club having the right attitude – a winning one, like Carlton of old. Only then will we start seeing success if we begin to cut out this rot. I think we have a good young core already, and we can build on that. But some of the attitudes represented on this site disgusts me – one supporter even had a go with me for cheering for a win, and singing the song loudly if we do. So this is what we have become… over one pick? Using the excuse of tanking no doubt, which I think is simply an excuse supporters like to use to justify why their team is so crap. I don’t believe for a nanosecond players want to tank – they want to win. The Essendon game is proof in itself, just look at their genuine reactions at losing. Kouta can have his opinion on losing (seeing his reactions after losing, I don’t think he likes it either), so can Rhys-Jones – but I don’t think such talk would’ve been tolerated 10 years ago. I wonder what other legends like Nicholls, Doull, Southby, etc would think. Would they have supported losing? I’d assume not.

Opposition supporters can talk about us tanking all they want, but I am in the belief that you’re either good enough to win or you’re not. And those of you who think Carlton supporters here have no pride – well, you’re wrong. At least some of us do. If we are in the same position next year, I will be fighting the same fight.

Pride. Passion. Never let that go.

Seven years on and we are back at square one looking for more draft picks to solve our self-inflicted woes.

It's a endless cycle.......

 

[E Shed]

the only thing that is logically inconsistent about your post is that its Melbourne that beat you. The modern day standard bearer for playing to lose.
I don't deny one bit the truth of what you wrote but I'd suggest Carlton's appalling drafting of late is as much to blame as anything that happened back then.

 

[Thrawn]

Seven years on and we are back at square one looking for more draft picks to solve our self-inflicted woes.

It's a endless cycle.......

We shouldn't be looking for draft picks. We should be playing the kids and trying to win every game we can. The mentality of putting in effort is going to do us better than an unknown teenager. Improvement will come from work ethic and a never say die attitude, not "well there goes the season, let's relax and try to get the highest pick we can".

 

[H2F]

I feel vindicated.

Several years later, despite all these high picks, we are looking like wooden spooners. So much for this "throw the game for pick X" bullshit.

What am amazing OP to read in hindsight ...

I actually don't recall ever reading a more insightful and accurate glimpse into the future on this site.

You could not be more right mate. Even this week I was staggered to hear things from Malthouse and Kernahan that to me sounded like they were going back to tanking philosophically ...

Kernahan has to go. He was behind this crap when you started tanking ... It ruined your powerful culture and has caused massive damage. I also think Malthouse is past it too.

Feel for you broheim.