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That is actually very debatable.

This season we have Jack Ison, Tyson Gresham and Harry Dean as real prospects. All are in their respective Metro and Country summer train on squads, so generally speaking are in the country’s top 100 prospects already. If all have prominent seasons, they could push in to second round calculations (at worst). With no first rounder, we could (hopefully) have the last pick in the second round to match THREE bids.

As for those who would casually suggest trading in future picks. Assuming Cody Walker attracts a top three pick, it will take SIGNIFICANTLY MORE than a late first rounder to match at the ‘26 draft.

Yes, we will be able to trade picks two years in advance, but that will not necessarily be a cure all. The rule changes will (potentially) affect us much more than people expect. The northern academy numbers at the pointy end will also dry up. One top 10 bid will virtually wipe out a club’s draft hand with the exception of late picks.

The changes have not been “minimal” the reduction from 20% to 10% discount and significant changes to the draft index will make considerable changes to the landscape.

I suspect Nick Austin will have a couple of candidates in each coming year to trade out for draft capital. Kennedy and Owies level trades may become a common thing (which I find sad, but inevitable)
Play well but not too well…
See what they can do up until the Champs and then cotton wool for the remainder of the year.
 

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My biggest pet pieve with the Northern Academies is that they were, to some extent, intriduced to offset the lack of f/s selections available to them but that access has never decreased.

I think the access to Academy players should be limited to a rolling 5 over a 5 year period, so they can take the best of the best but they can't get a CONSTANT influx of top 5-10 picks for effectively very little. It would also mean that their recruiters would need to take into consideration upcoming draft pools from their academies and possibly pass on GOOD prospects if GREAT ones are comming through they they would otherwise miss if they have met their limit.
 
My biggest pet pieve with the Northern Academies is that they were, to some extent, intriduced to offset the lack of f/s selections available to them but that access has never decreased.

I think the access to Academy players should be limited to a rolling 5 over a 5 year period, so they can take the best of the best but they can't get a CONSTANT influx of top 5-10 picks for effectively very little. It would also mean that their recruiters would need to take into consideration upcoming draft pools from their academies and possibly pass on GOOD prospects if GREAT ones are comming through they they would otherwise miss if they have met their limit.
They're about more than F/S matching. If that was the case, Adelaide, Port, Freo & WC would also have Academies. It is about developing local talent as they're in non-footy areas so getting local, and easily retainable, talent is part of it. As is growing the game, which I understand seems somewhat abstract to natural footy areas because you don't see the changes or benefits first hand and just get told "it's growing the game" and have to take others words for it.

As someone who has grown up on the Gold Coast and played footy here, I can say that the participation levels are way up, but so is the standard. The academies are doing their job in growing the participation and standard of talent on the Gold Coast at least. I have 2 cousins in the Suns academy and have of course followed their junior careers and the kids playing here now are 10x better than in my day. (Except for me, naturally :p ). Some schools even have footy programs now, which was never the case before.

I think if academy picks like what the Suns have had the last few years keep happening tweaks will certainly come - they are outside the norm, though. Academies have never provided the amount of picks the Suns have lately, so we'll see if that continues or if it's just been an anomalous couple of seasons. If it does, changes will certainly be coming.
 
Hope it continues at 4 first rounders a year, good for the game and no chance GC can get 3 of them let alone all 4…max I reckon would be 2

The problems will come when they start mothballing them a few months into their draft year to hide them or reduce significantly their exposure…just like we did with the Campo’s


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Hope it continues at 4 first rounders a year, good for the game and no chance GC can get 3 of them let alone all 4…max I reckon would be 2

The problems will come when they start mothballing them a few months into their draft year to hide them or reduce significantly their exposure…just like we did with the Campo’s


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I’ve posted about this before.
All juniors in the elite programs are restricted to a quota of games, including school, under 18/19s, rep games - the clubs are not hiding or stopping them playing - the AFL is managing it for them.
 
We had the three academy guys up in QLD. Now Harry is down there at the club. We're exposing them to top level training already to assess how they'll fit into the side :D
 
There was a mention of Harry now being at 193cm in an article somewhere, can’t exactly recall where i read it, but wasn’t that long ago…
Hopefully at 17yrs still has some nice growth in him, looks to have a bit of muscle shape in the shoulders from that pic which is encouraging…
 

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There was a mention of Harry now being at 193cm in an article somewhere, can’t exactly recall where i read it, but wasn’t that long ago…
Hopefully at 17yrs still has some nice growth in him, looks to have a bit of muscle shape in the shoulders from that pic which is encouraging…
Yep. 193cmin VIC Country train on squad.

Ideal case scenario matures 196/197cm, has a good, not great season at rep level and lands at IKON Park to form a long term partnership with HOF for the cost of (say) a third rounder.

There are a couple of likely lads in our Academy too, who may make our 2025 draft a very “easy” exercise for our recruiters.
 
Yep. 193cmin VIC Country train on squad.

Ideal case scenario matures 196/197cm, has a good, not great season at rep level and lands at IKON Park to form a long term partnership with HOF for the cost of (say) a third rounder.

There are a couple of likely lads in our Academy too, who may make our 2025 draft a very “easy” exercise for our recruiters.
Seeing Harry have a good consistent year, hopefully playing championships for VC, whilst displaying some encouraging potential as a future KPD draftee for us would be a great outcome…

I’ll guess that we will see how it all plays out for him…

Hopefully not coming at a high price, same draft range as HOF would be nice, Ison from people’s reports and my limited viewing seems to have some good potential as a Academy kid…
Might be a year we could get a little lucky with potential F/S’s and NGA’s…
 
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Seeing Harry have a good consistent year, hopefully playing championships for VC, whilst displaying some encouraging potential as a future KPD draftee for us would be a great outcome…

I’ll guess that we will see how it all plays out for him…

Hopefully not coming at a high price, same draft range as HOF would be nice, Ison from people’s reports but limited viewing seems to have some good potential as a Academy kid…
Might be a year we could get a little lucky with potential F/S’s and NGA’s…
The other “perfect fit” if he grown a bit is Tyson Gresham
 
The other “perfect fit” if he grown a bit is Tyson Gresham
Yeah his an interesting player, quite a bit smaller than his brother height wise, he is a touch smaller than the Wizard, he’ll need some tricks or a POD in maximising he’s chances in being drafted you would assume…

Haven’t seen him or the others play yet, so really can’t comment too much, hope the kid can have a good season and displays something good enough to have him in the conversation…
 
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Yeah his an interesting player, quite a bit smaller than his brother height wise, he is a touch smaller than the Wizard, he’ll need some tricks or a POD in maximising he’s chances in being drafted you would assume…

Haven’t seen him or the others play yet, so really can’t comment too much, hope the kid can have a good season and displays something good enough to have him in the conversation…
Gresham is in the NGA, so could potentially come in as a Category B rookie if he isn't bid on at the draft (like Malakai Champion this recent draft).

This is probably the best case scenario if he remains a bit undersized, gives him a couple seasons to grow into his body and AFL life.

You'd say Gresham as a Cat B is more likely to come on than Monahan and makes better use of that list provision.
 
Gresham is in the NGA, so could potentially come in as a Category B rookie if he isn't bid on at the draft (like Malakai Champion this recent draft).

This is probably the best case scenario if he remains a bit undersized, gives him a couple seasons to grow into his body and AFL life.

You'd say Gresham as a Cat B is more likely to come on than Monahan and makes better use of that list provision.
Will not be a Cat B. Last height I heard was 167cm. Entering his 18th year. Not saying he will, but remember Crippa’s growth during and post his draft year. 180cm not impossible. Kid had some monster games statistically as an underager.
Forward/wing, nit a one trick pony. Is in Metro train on squad, so well regarded in his cohort.

Hopefully won’t command a high pick, but will be amazed if not in the National Draft.
 
Gresh is coming from a long way back fitness wise after recovering from a bad bout of glandular fever which set him back.
Interested to see how he and jack Ison come on. Both have done good things as juniors.
Munkara Clark, on the other hand, is very much an unknown quantity. Interesting to see if he comes on as well.
 

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