Official Club Stuff Carlton Academy - Next Gen & Father/Son/Daughter Discussion

[Coops93]

Plenty of fs players have gone to clubs their dads left on bad terms. Look at the 2 we just got.

Not a straight forward comparison tbf. Scott won a prem and played over 200 games here, there's a lot more connection than a few years in an amaemic side that never quite got on track.

Also, the opportunity for the boys to play together is a big attraction even if they weren't in love with the side prior to joining.

Would guarantee he stays in his home state and plays at a big club. Otherwise he just goes in a lottery. Could go anywhere.

Not exactly a lottery, he'll know the landscape of the draft before needing to commit. Knowing his rough draft spot and who's picking around there. If he's top 5/10 then it's fairly clear, but if he's in a 30-45 range then fair enough it could be fairly random and easier to commit to secure lifestyle.

 

[Blue and Silver]

He left us on bad terms though the best times of his career were also with us.

If we invest time into Nason and get him involved in the fs academy I think thered be a strong chance he nominates us. I wonder how early we do that?

Would guarantee he stays in his home state and plays at a big club. Otherwise he just goes in a lottery. Could go anywhere.

Plenty of fs players have gone to clubs their dads left on bad terms. Look at the 2 we just got.

As far as Eddies son, his parents both live in melbourne as does he. Big tick for us.

Mick Malthouse casts a long shadow at this club unfortunately

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[marcmurphy3]

Not a straight forward comparison tbf. Scott won a prem and played over 200 games here, there's a lot more connection than a few years in an amaemic side that never quite got on track.

Also, the opportunity for the boys to play together is a big attraction even if they weren't in love with the side prior to joining.

Not exactly a lottery, he'll know the landscape of the draft before needing to commit. Knowing his rough draft spot and who's picking around there. If he's top 5/10 then it's fairly clear, but if he's in a 30-45 range then fair enough it could be fairly random and easier to commit to secure lifestyle.

Disagree on the not exactly a lottery comments. I think if you are in the standout 1-2 players you might have certainty but beyond that alot can happen. Even in top 5-10 you'd normally have a few interstate sides and the likely order isnt clear until very late.

Even if he thought he could stay in Melbourne regardless why would he prefer other clubs over us?

Only if he actively hates the club. If he holds a grudge against us because of something that happened with his dad 20 years ago (who was no saint) I wouldnt want him anyway. Thats a red flag.

If hes part of our fs program he will get free merch, the chance to meet afl players, the chance to train in afl facilities. Can see that going a long way to winning him over.

Theres a reason its very rare for fs /academy to decline nominating.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Mick Malthouse casts a long shadow at this club unfortunately

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Exactly, I reckon it’s a pretty easy conversation.
We loved Jeffy, Robinson and Betts…the club, the supporters, everyone…it wasn’t like they did nothing to help bring things to a head but ultimately it was a maniac that made the decision


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[DangerousD]

Here it is MITSUHIRATO.

Official Club Stuff - Carlton Academy - Next Gen & Father/Son/Daughter Discussion

On a side note, 2 bits of f all representation from Vic Metro in that team Sent from my iPhone using BigFooty.com Arki Butler is in my son's year. Kicked the winning goal last weekend to beat Hailebury by a point to win the APS final. Playing as a Year 10 with mostly Year 12 boys (Levi...

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Can we get it stickied to the top of the page?

 

[DangerousD]

Thanks! Need to have that updated to include Nason.

Add Mingara Clark for next year too

 

[Bletch]

Add Mingara Clark for next year too

I did that spreadsheet - updated (with Nason, and a few other additions/corrections):

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[RPCB]

Mick Malthouse is irrelevant in football circles. He’s old news.

 

[Coops93]

Mick Malthouse is irrelevant in football circles. He’s old news.

When it comes to former players and their relationship with the club he set alight he's not.

 

[jooce8891]

garlett still loves the blues, i remember in 2023 before the syd final, he posted a photo on his story of the ikon park entrance with cmon baggers or something along those lines. i know its small, but if you didnt like the club anymore you wouldnt be posting that.

 

[marcmurphy3]

Exactly, I reckon it’s a pretty easy conversation.
We loved Jeffy, Robinson and Betts…the club, the supporters, everyone…it wasn’t like they did nothing to help bring things to a head but ultimately it was a maniac that made the decision


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Not sure I'd put Eddie in the same catergory as those two. We didnt value Eddie enough to give him the right contract. It was a list management error. I think most the blame for that one falls on the club.

Both Robinson and Jeffy behaved pretty unproffesionally. Club should have handled it better, but those 2 were far from blameless. Im disappointed they left but blame belongs on both sides. Id be surprised if that isnt their reflection too.

 

[Dramoth]

I did that spreadsheet - updated (with Nason, and a few other additions/corrections):

View attachment 2174231

Mingara Clark is a NGA player for us. And if the footage I've seen of him is accurate, he is going to be a good pick up for us.

 

[Dramoth]

ison likely to be the best of the lot, someone made a rough ranking on the D&T board and had him somewhere in the 20s

Ison and Clark would be in the 20s I reckon. Gresham early 30s... and I haven't checked out any of our F/S's for next year.

 

[Dramoth]

He left us on bad terms though the best times of his career were also with us.

If we invest time into Nason and get him involved in the fs academy I think thered be a strong chance he nominates us. I wonder how early we do that?

Would guarantee he stays in his home state and plays at a big club. Otherwise he just goes in a lottery. Could go anywhere.

Plenty of fs players have gone to clubs their dads left on bad terms. Look at the 2 we just got.

As far as Eddies son, his parents both live in melbourne as does he. Big tick for us.

Lukas has been coming down to the club since he was about 10 I think.

 

[Bletch]

Bit more detail - with links to RMC data.

Year	NGA & F/S & F/D								Draft Birth Year
2025	Jack Ison (NGA)	Tyson Gresham (NGA)	Archer Hogg	Harvey Allan	Mingara Clark (NGA)	Charlie Beaumont	Harry Dean	Sunny Lappin	2007​
2026	Cody Walker								2008​
2027	Riley Scotland	Ahmad Abdallah (NGA)						​	2009
2028	Lukas Koutoufides	Darcy Johnston							2010​
2029	Oscar Judd	Tyler Scotland	Arli Walker						2011​
2030	Lewis Betts	Nason Lovett-Murray(Garlett)						​	2012
2031									2013​
2032	Chance Robinson								2014​
2033	Charlie Gibbs	Billy Betts							2015​
2034	Darcy Judd	Tom Judd	Teddy Waite						2016​
2035									2017​
2036	Max Murphy	William Curnow	Arlo Casboult						2018​
2037									2019​
2038	Eddie Betts IV								2020​
2039									2021​
2040									2022​
Boys	Harvey Allan	29/05/2007​	Sandringham Dragons
	Harry Dean	13/11/2007​	Murray Bushrangers
	Jack Ison (NGA)	26/02/2007​	Oakleigh Chargers
	Tyson Gresham (NGA)	21/06/2007​	Northern Knights/South Morang
	Mingara Clark (NGA)	29/04/2007​	Oakleigh Chargers
	Archer Hogg
	Charlie Beaumont		Sandringham Dragons/East Malvern
	Cody Walker	26/01/2008​	Bendigo Pioneers/Echuca
Girls	Sunny Lappin	28/11/2007​	Southport

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Harry Dean’s height was listed as 190.2 at the beginning of last season for Murray Bushrangers…

 

[Arr0w]

Bit more detail - with links to RMC data.

Year	NGA & F/S & F/D								Draft Birth Year
2025	Jack Ison (NGA)	Tyson Gresham (NGA)	Archer Hogg	Harvey Allan	Mingara Clark (NGA)	Charlie Beaumont	Harry Dean	Sunny Lappin	2007​
2026	Cody Walker								2008​
2027	Riley Scotland	Ahmad Abdallah (NGA)						​	2009
2028	Lukas Koutoufides	Darcy Johnston							2010​
2029	Oscar Judd	Tyler Scotland	Arli Walker						2011​
2030	Lewis Betts	Nason Lovett-Murray(Garlett)						​	2012
2031									2013​
2032	Chance Robinson								2014​
2033	Charlie Gibbs	Billy Betts							2015​
2034	Darcy Judd	Tom Judd	Teddy Waite						2016​
2035									2017​
2036	Max Murphy	William Curnow	Arlo Casboult						2018​
2037									2019​
2038	Eddie Betts IV								2020​
2039									2021​
2040									2022​
Boys	Harvey Allan	29/05/2007​	Sandringham Dragons
	Harry Dean	13/11/2007​	Murray Bushrangers
	Jack Ison (NGA)	26/02/2007​	Oakleigh Chargers
	Tyson Gresham (NGA)	21/06/2007​	Northern Knights/South Morang
	Mingara Clark (NGA)	29/04/2007​	Oakleigh Chargers
	Archer Hogg
	Charlie Beaumont		Sandringham Dragons/East Malvern
	Cody Walker	26/01/2008​	Bendigo Pioneers/Echuca
Girls	Sunny Lappin	28/11/2007​	Southport

Great work again Bletch

 

[jj1978]

I'll start

Charlie Silvagni 2042

Hopefully I live long enough to see a 4th gen Silvagni don the 1.

 

[AT97]

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[MITSUHIRATO]

Harry Dean’s height was listed as 190.2 at the beginning of last season for Murray Bushrangers…

He’s easily 194 now. I saw him standing next to Luke Trainor and they were pretty much eye level.

 

[ferrisb]

Being able to find the pill is so underrated by recruiters it drives me nuts. They get lost in their spreadsheets.

I agree with you on recruiters overthinking things.

But the real Teddy Hopkins would not take a spreadsheet's name in vain!

 

[ferrisb]

I remember Ben last year winning a medal for the best on ground in the grand final...

Can't be that bad at all...

Looking forward to him doing the same again in a few years...

 

[ferrisb]

Bit more detail - with links to RMC data.

Year	NGA & F/S & F/D								Draft Birth Year
2025	Jack Ison (NGA)	Tyson Gresham (NGA)	Archer Hogg	Harvey Allan	Mingara Clark (NGA)	Charlie Beaumont	Harry Dean	Sunny Lappin	2007​
2026	Cody Walker								2008​
2027	Riley Scotland	Ahmad Abdallah (NGA)						​	2009
2028	Lukas Koutoufides	Darcy Johnston							2010​
2029	Oscar Judd	Tyler Scotland	Arli Walker						2011​
2030	Lewis Betts	Nason Lovett-Murray(Garlett)						​	2012
2031									2013​
2032	Chance Robinson								2014​
2033	Charlie Gibbs	Billy Betts							2015​
2034	Darcy Judd	Tom Judd	Teddy Waite						2016​
2035									2017​
2036	Max Murphy	William Curnow	Arlo Casboult						2018​
2037									2019​
2038	Eddie Betts IV								2020​
2039									2021​
2040									2022​
Boys	Harvey Allan	29/05/2007​	Sandringham Dragons
	Harry Dean	13/11/2007​	Murray Bushrangers
	Jack Ison (NGA)	26/02/2007​	Oakleigh Chargers
	Tyson Gresham (NGA)	21/06/2007​	Northern Knights/South Morang
	Mingara Clark (NGA)	29/04/2007​	Oakleigh Chargers
	Archer Hogg
	Charlie Beaumont		Sandringham Dragons/East Malvern
	Cody Walker	26/01/2008​	Bendigo Pioneers/Echuca
Girls	Sunny Lappin	28/11/2007​	Southport

Not sure if awesome resource or a bit stalkerish...

Porque no los dos?

 

[teddy-hopkins]

I agree with you on recruiters overthinking things.

But the real Teddy Hopkins would not take a spreadsheet's name in vain!

That is an excellent point. RIP Ted!

 

[SurreyBlue]

I still can’t get my head around how someone like Andy Walkers son can be an NGA prospect? Just illogical criteria. Nonsense.