Media Carlton in the Media (articles, podcasts etc) - Part IV

[jj1978]

This would seem to bode really well for us, as there's been a long-known correlation in AFL between team stability (i.e. number of used players) and ladder position.

This speaks obviously to both a team's injury status and it's form, as winning teams tend to swap around less players.

The fact that we've bucked the trend here, with being 7-2 and sitting 4th on the ladder despite using the second most players in the competition behind only West Coast (who are dead last) is very promising. The top team, Melbourne, have used the least players of any team. Brisbane have also been highly stable in their top 16.

If we can manage to get some stability in our line-up by getting something even closely resembling our best lineup on the park for multiple weeks, look out.

Imagine we hang onto top four with 7 rounds to go... and we are able to start to re-introduce Pito, Harry, Marchbank, Omac, Williams types back into the 22 with depth of Kemp, Dow, Cunningham, Carrol, Motlop, Setterfield, etc being able to be used to help rotate a bit of the strike to rest a few sore bodies here and there.

If we can keep Cripps, Walsh, Hewett, Curnow, Weitering, Saad and TDK/Pito fresh before finals we're a chance to cause some damage. Richmond in 2017 started off poorly and then wooshka, Dogs, etc. It's about who is in best form come September and you never know we've shown our best is damaging against the best.

 

[marcmurphy3]

Bolton was half coach/half teacher. He had mixed priorities in that he was trying to build a list while at the same time shaping boys into mature and professional young men, whilst shielding them from expectations and external criticism.

Teague's issue was that he was more concerned with the aesthetics of the gameplan than the outcome. He wanted fast, "attractive" football that was exciting to watch. Winning was the preferred result, sure, but he seemed somewhat content with exciting losses.

Voss has come in and forced the players to embrace the expectations that Bolton shied away from, and implemented a results-driven attitude instead of a brand-driven one. I don't think it's his "stature" as a player that has made the difference (though I'm sure that helps), it's that he has a completely different philosophy to the previous two coaches.

All good points.

The other thing I will add on Voss is his leadership. The senior coach job is not just coaching players to play football anymore but an all encompassing management role with accountability for an entire department. Its about setting direction & standards, building culture, effective delegation and bringing all aspects of the program together.

Being a high rated line coach doesn't necessarily set you up to be good at all that. If you look at Teague he doesn't come across as having strong leadership traits. I am sure he knows football and can teach but that's not enough these days. Voss on the other hand has those natural characteristics and has continued to learn the other stuff in his time at Port.

 

[jj1978]

• Loved hearing Voss telling them this week will be hard and you won't get 15 seconds to even breathe.
• Bolts was the hero we needed at the time, and his final season the expectation became a bit too much and he deviated somewhat and became a bit Clarko angry. He was respected as Doc and Cripps were deeply impacted by his departure.
• Teague, I was super hesitant and only really jumped on the train when it was inevitable he would be announced as coach (must support your new coach). The players jumped quickly off that train! Doubt many would still be in touch with him.
• Voss has really had a great learning experience. Played under the tutelage of Walls and Matthews, then after his failed stint under Hinkley. All 3 of those coaches he's been under are all direct, hard and tough task masters and old fashioned style coaches, who reward players who fulfil the mantra. Amazing to see that our players aren't as fragile as everyone worries about towards a hard coach, I just think Voss has learnt to balance the hard with relationship building.

 

[thylacine60]

• Loved hearing Voss telling them this week will be hard and you won't get 15 seconds to even breathe.
• Bolts was the hero we needed at the time, and his final season the expectation became a bit too much and he deviated somewhat and became a bit Clarko angry. He was respected as Doc and Cripps were deeply impacted by his departure.
• Teague, I was super hesitant and only really jumped on the train when it was inevitable he would be announced as coach (must support your new coach). The players jumped quickly off that train! Doubt many would still be in touch with him.
• Voss has really had a great learning experience. Played under the tutelage of Walls and Matthews, then after his failed stint under Hinkley. All 3 of those coaches he's been under are all direct, hard and tough task masters and old fashioned style coaches, who reward players who fulfil the mantra. Amazing to see that our players aren't as fragile as everyone worries about towards a hard coach, I just think Voss has learnt to balance the hard with relationship building.

nice post well put, bolded seems a little harsh.........

 

[jj1978]

nice post well put, bolded seems a little harsh.........

Perhaps, but I never felt like with Bolts that Teague had invested enough time building rapport and come his last 5-6 games there was definitely a feeling of distance between him and the playing group.

 

[Sector 7G]

All good points.

The other thing I will add on Voss is his leadership. The senior coach job is not just coaching players to play football anymore but an all encompassing management role with accountability for an entire department. Its about setting direction & standards, building culture, effective delegation and bringing all aspects of the program together.

Being a high rated line coach doesn't necessarily set you up to be good at all that. If you look at Teague he doesn't come across as having strong leadership traits. I am sure he knows football and can teach but that's not enough these days. Voss on the other hand has those natural characteristics and has continued to learn the other stuff in his time at Port.

I think the thing is that when Voss says something you believe it's true. After hearing some of Teague's pressers last year I am not sure he believed what he was saying let alone the players.

 

[ferrisb]

the day these media numbnuts appreciate our club they will never learn the players names hahaha

I can't believe how much Durdin has shrunk since he played for North....

 

[jj1978]

I think the thing is that when Voss says something you believe it's true. After hearing some of Teague's pressers last year I am not sure he believed what he was saying let alone the players.

All Teague's pre and post match pressers were just the same monotone, emotionless, yeah-nah style pressers. Watch Voss... he looks at the reporter he's answering in the eye, when he wants to make a point he's steely, when he wants to show appreciation and love for effort he smiles, eyes glisten and verbally shows his delight.

Teague was completely out of his depth.

 

[thylacine60]

Perhaps, but I never felt like with Bolts that Teague had invested enough time building rapport and come his last 5-6 games there was definitely a feeling of distance between him and the playing group.

they no longer have a player/coach connection - bet most players have something positive to say about previous coaches - not all - I reckon if you can't take something positive away from the relationship it may well be on yourself.........

 

[thylacine60]

I can't believe how much Durdin has shrunk since he played for North....

or how different isla fisher does her hair now...........

 

[marcmurphy3]

I think the decision to pull Curnow and Murphy out the midfield really cost Bolton in his last year.

We were rolling with a centre square rotation of Dow (2nd year), Fisher (3rd year), SPS (3rd year) and Cripps. In hindsight it was crazy to think that midfield could compete with anyone.

Despite that we still almost won several games. If he hadnt gone so hard down the development angle we probably win some of those games and he keeps his job.

Not a terrible coach at all. Just misread where some players were at at and the amount of losses he could get away with for the sake of "development"

Teague on the hand was way below the standard required to be a senior coach.

 

[thylacine60]

I think the decision to pull Curnow and Murphy out the midfield really cost Bolton in his last year.

We were rolling with a centre square rotation of Dow (2nd year), Fisher (3rd year), SPS (3rd year) and Cripps. In hindsight it was crazy to think that midfield could compete with anyone.

Despite that we still almost won several games. If he hadnt gone so hard down the development angle we probably win some of those games and he keeps his job.

you don't know that.......any thoughts on him sacrificing his career prospects by "going so hard down the development angle?"...........for our club?

 

[Sector 7G]

I think the decision to pull Curnow and Murphy out the midfield really cost Bolton in his last year.

We were rolling with a centre square rotation of Dow (2nd year), Fisher (3rd year), SPS (3rd year) and Cripps. In hindsight it was crazy to think that midfield could compete with anyone.

Despite that we still almost won several games. If he hadnt gone so hard down the development angle we probably win some of those games and he keeps his job.

Not a terrible coach at all. Just misread where some players were at at and the amount of losses he could get away with for the sake of "development"

Teague on the hand was way below the standard required to be a senior coach.

Losing Gibbs, Doc and Kruezer in 2018 set back Bolts progression as a coach. He really needed to get a couple of those close losses in 2019 to keep the belief going.

 

[F_therest]

The 23 guys we've been rolling out has us near the bottom for age and games played this year. Great signs.

Also good signs for Freo and Sydney. Cliff is coming for Geelong and West Coast.

Top-four surprise packets: Which teams are youngest this season? - Top-four surprise packets: Which teams are youngest this season?

 

[ferrisb]

I'll tell you the differences between the coaches... we finally have a coherent ******* gameplan!!!

Now obviously our squad is more mature and talented than previous years. And of course the best gameplan can fail unless the players buy in.

But the obvious difference to me is the clarity of what is happening on the field. The players know what they are supposed to be doing and seem to always know where their teammates are. That comes from understanding and trust in the gameplan.

 

[Blue Ratts]

Inside the game: How Carlton under Michael Voss is closing the gaps in Blues' gameplan

It's been a long time without success for the Carlton club but now, under new coach Michael Voss, it looks like the Blues have arrived. But what's changed, and is it real this time? Cody Atkinson and Sean Lawson investigate.

www.abc.net.au

 

[thylacine60]

never saw peter dean's stumble off the podium used symbolically that way before - very clever..........


























bastards!!!

 

[Blue Ratts]

Kindof backs up ferrisb's thoughts last post

 

[blues4flag]

I'll tell you the differences between the coaches... we finally have a coherent ******* gameplan!!!

Now obviously our squad is more mature and talented than previous years. And of course the best gameplan can fail unless the players buy in.

But the obvious difference to me is the clarity of what is happening on the field. The players know what they are supposed to be doing and seem to always know where their teammates are. That comes from understanding and trust in the gameplan.

Exactly. For the first time in years I go to the footy and it's obvious to me how we're trying to play. Teague's gameplan was evident during the takeover period, but it got progressively murkier and murkier.

 

[agro]

I think the decision to pull Curnow and Murphy out the midfield really cost Bolton in his last year.

We were rolling with a centre square rotation of Dow (2nd year), Fisher (3rd year), SPS (3rd year) and Cripps. In hindsight it was crazy to think that midfield could compete with anyone.

Despite that we still almost won several games. If he hadnt gone so hard down the development angle we probably win some of those games and he keeps his job.

Not a terrible coach at all. Just misread where some players were at at and the amount of losses he could get away with for the sake of "development"

Teague on the hand was way below the standard required to be a senior coach.

Buts Teague’s decision to put Curnow and Murphy back in the midfield whilst he was caretaker coach won him the job and set us back 2 years as a result.

 

[thylacine60]

The 23 guys we've been rolling out has us near the bottom for age and games played this year. Great signs.

Also good signs for Freo and Sydney. Cliff is coming for West Coast.

Top-four surprise packets: Which teams are youngest this season? - Top-four surprise packets: Which teams are youngest this season?

elvis will be making fewer live performances...........

 

[thylacine60]

Buts Teague’s decision to put Curnow and Murphy back in the midfield whilst he was caretaker coach won him the job and set us back 2 years as a result.

garbage

 

[F_therest]

I'll tell you the differences between the coaches... we finally have a coherent ******* gameplan!!!

Now obviously our squad is more mature and talented than previous years. And of course the best gameplan can fail unless the players buy in.

But the obvious difference to me is the clarity of what is happening on the field. The players know what they are supposed to be doing and seem to always know where their teammates are. That comes from understanding and trust in the gameplan.

Yep, how often have we bemoaned that our guys looked lost out on the field? No connection.

Crazy how fast the improvement has been. Particularly developing our handball game...guys just know where to run and the ball carrier knows where teammates will be so they can execute under pressure.

 

[Coops93]

Perhaps, but I never felt like with Bolts that Teague had invested enough time building rapport and come his last 5-6 games there was definitely a feeling of distance between him and the playing group.

I got the same feeling towards the send, seemed a real divide between Teague & the players.

It really jumped out at me right at the end when Teague and his manager both questioned Cripps' efforts. A coach and his manager both openly criticising his captain suggest things absolutely were not rosy.

 

[skadoosh]

Inside the game: How Carlton under Michael Voss is closing the gaps in Blues' gameplan

It's been a long time without success for the Carlton club but now, under new coach Michael Voss, it looks like the Blues have arrived. But what's changed, and is it real this time? Cody Atkinson and Sean Lawson investigate.

www.abc.net.au

ABC always have top tier analysis. Great article and nailed it. Bringing in Cerra and Hewett along with the re-emergence of Kennedy in the middle has allowed the load to be shared more evenly and resulted in a prospering Cripps and a well-balanced Carlton.