Preview Carlton v Brisbane Lions Round 8 (Friday 5 May 7:50PM @Marvel)

[Monkey Daniel]

Do we know what sections are GA yet?

I’m in GA21, if that helps. Got ticket this morning

 

[buttermuffs]

Pretty simple take on the game from me this week. I just want to see 3 things:

1. Can we bring the energy in Zorko's absence? In Round 1 we were basically lifeless. It might be different for a home game where he can get around everyone in the change rooms etc, but you wouldn't expect he'll travel to Melbourne. So it's up to the lads that ARE playing to generate their own excitement.

2. Can we defend with the same discipline we showed last time in Melbourne against the Dogs? With our attack completely dysfunctional it was a super effort by our defence to keep the opposition to only 67.

3. Can we attack with more dare and adventure than we did in Round 3? To me a big part of this is whether our key forwards are able to present up field and make a contest consistently. If they are able to, it will draw Carlton defenders to their vicinity, giving us the opportunity to move the ball by hand and short passes through the corridor. It will also allow our smalls to play the pressure roles intended of them, instead of being expected to be marking targets.

If the answer is "yes" to all these 3 questions, we probably win, but I really think it's one of those games where the way/how well we play is more important than the result.

Was our attack really dysfunctional? We scored 115 and all 7 of our main forward players (Daniher, Hipwood, Gunston, Bailey, Rayner, Cameron, McCarthy) all managed a goal or more. Hardly call that dysfunctional.


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[Tom14]

Was our attack really dysfunctional? We scored 115 and all 7 of our main forward players (Daniher, Hipwood, Gunston, Bailey, Rayner, Cameron, McCarthy) all managed a goal or more. Hardly call that dysfunctional.


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Think the reference was to the attack in the round 3 game against the dogs.

 

[Section 5]

We kick 90 points i think that will give us a win.
So, 13 or 14 goals is the target.
I think our midfield and forwards can manage that.

 

[Nunez]

We kick 90 points i think that will give us a win.
So, 13 or 14 goals is the target.
I think our midfield and forwards can manage that.

Under 100? That's a bit low for us!

 

[Sanchez365]

Think the reference was to the attack in the round 3 game against the dogs.

I also dont think Grasshopper was saying our forward 6 were deplorable anyway, more the team wide transition into attack was poor giving our forwards little hope.

While they are part of that, I think it was more a team wide issue.

 

[McIvor]

Listened to the Roar Deal and am convinced by Dom that Cal Ah Chee would be my preference to replace Dan Rich - reasons Dom mentioned - although Jaxon would be my next preference.

In terms of replacing Zorks - Dev is my preference, with Lyons or Matho next in line.

Good to see Mr Ripper's post a few days was quoted comparing who we ve beaten to date b/w 2001 and 2023 - shame they didn't name you Mr Ripper - pretending it may have come from Reddit or BF -c'mon boys - we know you know where it was posted - got to give Mr Ripper the credit hes an icon round these parts.

 

[3KZ is Football]

Listened to the Roar Deal and am convinced by Dom that Cal Ah Chee would be my preference to replace Dan Rich - reasons Dom mentioned - although Jaxon would be my next preference.

In terms of replacing Zorks - Dev is my preference, with Lyons or Matho next in line.

Good to see Mr Ripper's post a few days was quoted comparing who we ve beaten to date b/w 2001 and 2023 - shame they didn't name you Mr Ripper - pretending it may have come from Reddit or BF -c'mon boys - we know you know where it was posted - got to give Mr Ripper the credit hes an icon round these parts.

We love Mr. Ripper In the Over 50’s Clique.

 

[Mr Ripper]

Listened to the Roar Deal and am convinced by Dom that Cal Ah Chee would be my preference to replace Dan Rich - reasons Dom mentioned - although Jaxon would be my next preference.

In terms of replacing Zorks - Dev is my preference, with Lyons or Matho next in line.

Good to see Mr Ripper's post a few days was quoted comparing who we ve beaten to date b/w 2001 and 2023 - shame they didn't name you Mr Ripper - pretending it may have come from Reddit or BF -c'mon boys - we know you know where it was posted - got to give Mr Ripper the credit hes an icon round these parts.

I don't think that was me - other than highlighting the Carlton round 8 thing...

 

[M Malice]

It is such an interesting team announcement tonight, I really hope the match committee take the opportunity to insert some more pace/run both ways players into the side, I'd be very surprised if Jaxon Prior isn't one of the ins. On the other side of it I'd be disappointed if they go with a downgrade in that area of the game and opt for Jarryd Lyons

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Jarryd Lyons

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32

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4.8

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21.7

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14.7

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7.0

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3.4

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as one of the ins.

I am expecting there to be only the 2 forced changes due to injury, for me >

Ideal ins- Jaxon Prior + anyone of Dev Robertson/James Tunstill/James Madden.

Please no ins- Jarryd Lyons

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, Rhys Mathieson

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2.8

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[3KZ is Football]

It is such an interesting team announcement tonight, I really hope the match committee take the opportunity to insert some more pace/run both ways players into the side, I'd be very surprised if Jaxon Prior isn't one of the ins. On the other side of it I'd be disappointed if they go with a downgrade in that area of the game and opt for Jarryd Lyons as one of the ins.

I am expecting there to be only the 2 forced changes due to injury, for me >

Ideal ins- Jaxon Prior + anyone of Dev Robertson/James Tunstill/James Madden.

Please no ins- Jarryd Lyons, Rhys Mathieson.

I think including Lyons helps bolster the midfield, replacing Zorko. McCluggage has been tried there and failed, McCarthy gets the occasional run, but he is better up forward and Rayner can be good, but is also better forward. A inside midfield specialist and prolific ball getter like Lyons really provides a safeguard and makes it unlikely the Carlton mids will get on top. Midfield rotations based around Neale, Dunkley, Lyons and Ashcroft look good.

 

[Grasshopper17]

If it pans out that way I unfortunately expect Saad to get 20+ uncontested touches. Rayner wouldn't be able to keep up with him.
I think most likely McCarthy will be on Saad.

I would like this match up, but I suspect it will be quite tricky to organise. In this situation I suspect Saad more or less dictates by who he goes to... If Carlton are smart about it he goes to someone like Rayner. Then if we put McCarthy to him the best case scenario for us is it creates a ring-a-ring-a-Rosie scenario with 4 players all trying to play on each other. The worst case scenario is that the Carlton player assigned to McCarthy is able to float off and do what he likes.

So it becomes a battle of wills to a large extent. I mean ideally McCarthy is able to apply pressure on Saad while also keeping his own direct opponent under wraps, but that could be easier said than done.

 

[Grasshopper17]

Havent heard anything yet. Not sure when the club tends to send out stuff but seems absent this year

In fairness to the club, it was hardly relevant in Round 3 given the small crowd.

 

[Grasshopper17]

I’m in GA21, if that helps. Got ticket this morning

Yeah mine says GA17. But I'm not sure if these numbers really mean anything

 

[Grasshopper17]

Think the reference was to the attack in the round 3 game against the dogs.

Yes was referring to Round 3 buttermuffs, when coincidentally the dogs scored 67, the same as Freo on the weekend.

 

[Nunez]

Would rather see Rayner get Zorkos time on the ball.

 

[Grasshopper17]

I also dont think Grasshopper was saying our forward 6 were deplorable anyway, more the team wide transition into attack was poor giving our forwards little hope.

While they are part of that, I think it was more a team wide issue.

Yeah just the way we attacked in general. Static ball movement, up the line to packs of players. The only way we looked likely to score was from ball ups and throw ins, and even there the Bulldogs had the better of things.

Having only watched the game once (live at the ground) I'm hardly in a position to elaborate further, but then you read about the "3 ground ball gets inside 50 for the entire game" and see footage of Hipwood and Daniher jogging around forcing Cameron and McCarthy to be the long marking targets... You put 2 and 2 together and start to understand where the a large part of the problem was...

 

[Milux]

Would rather see Rayner get Zorkos time on the ball.

Don't mind this. Maybe a Lohmann type to replace Rayner forward.

 

[Nunez]

Don't mind this. Maybe a Lohmann type to replace Rayner forward.

Cockatoo for mine. Can run out games now and has been in solid form. Rayner only needs 10-15 CBAs to match Zorko.

Would look at Prior on the wing and Wilmot off half back.

 

[twhowler]

Cockatoo for mine. Can run out games now and has been in solid form. Rayner only needs 10-15 CBAs to match Zorko.

Would look at Prior on the wing and Wilmot off half back.

Cockatoo i like the idea of, does he have his zip back? 10-15 would be a fair few for Rayner but Berry can pick up the slack.

Wilmot is such a good runner i’d keep him wing, Prior was good as Rich replacement v pies so let’s minimise the positional changes.

Voss said today Motlop would play but less certain on Owies. Owies kicked 6 in the first 3 weeks so was a threat around goal.

 

[Gadzorks]

I'm ready to call one swap.

We have a heap of skilled players out on the park. What we lose the most with zorko out is the energy and the lift he gives the whole team.

They are going to bring in matho and he will die trying. Other players will recognise he is playing at 100% of his capacity and they will lift to the same level.

Lions by 32.

 

[Gadzorks]

So I'm a patreon supporter of the roar deal and want to listen to the selection thing tonight.

I have no idea how to go about it. I pay my money monthly but still listen to the roar deal when it comes out to the public on my podcast app.

Please help - what do I do?

So old and out of date

 

[Squizz89]

One would be safe to assume that with comments like these from Fages today Answerth will be one of the inclusions tonight. I wonder if they play him through the middle again. Could he play the Zorko pressure role perhaps?


“I thought Noah did well (against the Dockers),” Fagan said.

“He came on, played a quarter, had seven possessions, made three or four tackles, had a few score involvements … it was very good.

“He did his chances (of being selected this week) no harm.

“He played with a lot of energy, he’s a good tackler, he not frightened of anything – he’s a good young player.

“He’s played a fair bit of senior footy already. It has really only been injury that’s hurt him in the last few years in terms of playing a few more games.”

 

[Section 5]

Cockatoo for mine. Can run out games now and has been in solid form. Rayner only needs 10-15 CBAs to match Zorko.

Would look at Prior on the wing and Wilmot off half back.

I thought Cockatoo would be a chance if they want a forward that could do a few CBA's or someone else takes up the slack.
Zorko's midfield minutes were not big.
He slowly built his % up from O, 5, 16, 32, 42 then the injured game dropped back to 23%.

If they want a mid that can play as a pressure forward, then Answerth/Dev.
Not keen on eithers scoring ability though. Bailey could play more forward time.
If they decide on Lyons, then Bailey may not get much time in the midfield.

Going on Squizz89 comment it may be Ainsworth.

If Prior comes in i don't see the point in playing him wing over Wilmot.
Wilmot is starting to get the hang of that wing role so i would leave him there.

The rumor about Fletcher is a bit strange. The following two games v Bombers & Suns would be more suitable for someone's debut game.

 

[StevoJenkins]

One would be safe to assume that with comments like these from Fages today Answerth will be one of the inclusions tonight. I wonder if they play him through the middle again. Could he play the Zorko pressure role perhaps?


“I thought Noah did well (against the Dockers),” Fagan said.

“He came on, played a quarter, had seven possessions, made three or four tackles, had a few score involvements … it was very good.

“He did his chances (of being selected this week) no harm.

“He played with a lot of energy, he’s a good tackler, he not frightened of anything – he’s a good young player.

“He’s played a fair bit of senior footy already. It has really only been injury that’s hurt him in the last few years in terms of playing a few more games.”

Watching the game live at the Gabba last week and Answerth was really packing the pressure.
Was it because he came in for a quarter and a half? Can he sustain that pressure for a whole game?

Wouldn't mind seeing him play in Zork's spot, but he will probably replace Rich's spot if selected.