Carlton v Essendon - Matchday thread

[Ryan Dixon Webb]

Probably shows how important Jamison is to our structure. When Jamison is in the team it allows Thornton to play 3rd tall and Waite to play loose.

I thought Joseph and Jacobs cemented their spots within the 22 in this match, Eddie Betts played brilliant and was almost a match winner. Simon Wiggins was great when he pushed up toward the wing and also through the middle. Hadley had a quiet night, but did O.K.

Shaun Grigg and Nick Stevens need to adapt to the pace of the game again, having said that though i think Nick Stevens did his job quite well especially as his first game of the season, he's an older bloke so it'll take a game or two for him to adjust. Garlett did pretty well but may need a rest this week, Robinson provided good pressure but went missing for large chunks of the game. Houlihan was great. I think Yarran will come in next week.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Quick sum up - we played like millionaires, and kicked like dollar donkeys.

 

[bowlrig]

Bower: - Can't kick, can't handball and can not make a decision under pressure. Can not count the amount of times he has panicked this season when the opposition is within 30 metres.

Garlett: - Needs a rest next week, did very little.

Stanton: - played a great game and with the Velvet Sledge Hammer, their pressure killed us.

Judd:- B O G

Wiggo:- Best season (3 games at least) of his career so far.

Gibbs: - Off game, can not see him having to many though.

Thornton: - Played off his man to much, may have done better with a bit more touch on his opponent.

Ratten: - reacted a bit slow with some of the match ups.

Scotland: - Poor game last week but man I think he would have been handy tonight.

Carlton: - Might just be the reallity check that is/was needed.

Just a little disappointed but there is always next week which is more than I would have said at the same time last year.

Umpires:- Not consistent and the soft free that cost us the bonus goal sucked.

 

[Loramarthalas]

Very disappointed not see some genuine praise for the Bombers on here.

They ran through our corridor almost at will. They were too fast to catch and delivered by hand and foot much better than we did. When we had the ball, they ran us down.

I'd say they are the better side at the moment.

 

[Blue Bawls]

We got done at our own game. Pointing the finger at individuals is pointless and ignorant - the simple fact is that we got out tackled and out intensified after those were the things that we brought to the game in our first two rounds. Gibbs was held, Judd was almost held, and was certainly quiet in the second quarter, they nullified other key players well - and the complaints that they didn't play Fletcher on Fev were unfounded. Fev kicked badly and will probably be pissing against a wall somewhere right now lamenting his performance. But at the end of the day, Carlton lost this match as much as Geelong lost the GF and we must surely be smarter for it.

 

[djudd]

Thornton made no more mistakes than Murphy and Fevola tonight. He is an A grade defender and your snapo judgement was wrong.

A grade defender
=Scarlett-Hodge-Fletcher etc
Thorton is c grade at best
Lloyd was bog(who was on him) i will give you a minute
Murphy made mistakes(you sure you was watching the same game as me?(2 goals solid game but not his best)

 

[Blue Bawls]

A grade defender
=Scarlett-Hodge-Fletcher etc
Thorton is c grade at best
Lloyd was bog(who was on him) i will give you a minute
Murphy made mistakes(you sure you was watching the same game as me?(2 goals solid game but not his best)

Watched every second. Murphy, after last week, seems to fancy himself as a goalkicker, to the detriment of recognising a good lead or forward option. His judgement was not fantastic tonight.

As for Thornton, Lloyd had a night out tonight after 2 poor games, and pinning his success on Thornton is ridiculous. Thornton is one ofn the, if not THE, best defenders we have. Your judgement of him is clearly based on his giving away the free kick.

 

[Flying_V]

It just shows where we are abouts. The last three weeks, we have beaten 2008's 9th and 10th quite easily and lost to 12th - the Bombers outplayed us and were harder at the ball and were more desperate. We're going to learn from it. We're not a top 6 side yet, because the great teams win games even when they don't play well and the opposition lift. The opposition lifted tonight and we couldn't match it. We nearly got there, but nearly isn't good enough. We've shown what we can do over the past three weeks but tonight was a good leveller - we're a 6 - 10 placed team in 2009 and were outplayed by a team that are similar to us. We've still got a long way to go. But we can only get better...

 

[blue gunslinger]

I just cannot understand how we can again not turn up to a game like tonight.
Judd did. So what is up with other professional footy players? OK you expect kids like Garlett to struggle and Grigg and Stevo being it their 1st games. But the rest. Kick straight, fundamentals, run hard, tackle hard, win damn it.
Not good enough

 

[Stig O'Hara]

I just cannot understand how we can again not turn up to a game like tonight.
Judd did. So what is up with other professional footy players? OK you expect kids like Garlett to struggle and Grigg and Stevo being it their 1st games. But the rest. Kick straight, fundamentals, run hard, tackle hard, win damn it.
Not good enough

Stagefright for the 3rd gamers.

Number 39 was terrific though.

 

[blue gunslinger]

v Essendon : stagefright???????HTFU!

 

[true blue boy]

I said it all week, drop Gartlett and Joseph. They were the difference tonight. Im shattered and mainly because of our team selection, how do they get game ahead of Scotland. Armfield was someone we needed tonight, his speed would of ran down some of the fast essendon players, and his a great tackler. The world isnt over i know we will bounce back this was a game we could of. Dont forget last year we lost our first 3 games of the year then got right up there with 10 wins.

Next week.
Armfield, Scotland in. Gartlett, Joseph out.
Carrazzo and Yarran should be considered.

 

[Silvagnis]

Who is that ranga ruckman? He's an absolute spud, Mark Blake MK2.

Because a third year ruckman should take it up to David Hille and beat him senseless in the ruck in just his third game?

 

[Dangas]

wonderful game of football tonight! commenting on an outside POV i think carlton deserved the win but inaccuracy let them down (FEVOLA), but well done to the bombers. SEE YOU IN SYDNEY NEXT WEEK!

 

[CJudd3Votes]

No point in talking what should've been.

 

[Dramoth]

I think the main points have been summed up thus far. Stevens didn't deserve to be in the side and played like it. No heart whatsoever and i think Scotland will be licking his lips knowing he'll be back next week. Gibbs was very poor. Too much left to Judd and Murphy (who i had never really rated until tonight). Who is that ranga ruckman? He's an absolute spud, Mark Blake MK2. Anyways, as much as i hate Carlton i still think you guys will play finals, however it'll just be making up numbers.

While the west coke e-girls will be propping up the ladder yet again...

Get used to it loser.

 

[blue gunslinger]

No point in talking what should've been.

we should have won
we did not
nobody to blame but ourselves

 

[bomberstomake8]

wonderful game of football tonight! commenting on an outside POV i think carlton deserved the win but inaccuracy let them down (FEVOLA), but well done to the bombers. SEE YOU IN SYDNEY NEXT WEEK!

the common theme in this thread seems to be all focus on fevola and how if he had of kicked straight you would have won.

firstly what about the umpiring in the last quarter? deliberate out of bounds resulting in a murphy goal? no chance that was a deliberate out of bounds. Then the ruck contest just after where your boy i think it was jacobs from memory hit in straight over for a rushed behind- no free kick just counted as one point, just there thats a 2 goal difference... there are so many ifs and buts in footy, carlton did not deserve to win, they should have as they according to everyone have a much better list but i think the bombers were better on the night.

fevs in accurate goal kicking - 4.7
david hille- 0.2
lovett- 0.1
jetta - 0.2

we kicked 17.14 compared to your 16.16- not exactly a huge diference

 

[thylacine60]

the common theme in this thread seems to be all focus on fevola and how if he had of kicked straight you would have won.

firstly what about the umpiring in the last quarter? deliberate out of bounds resulting in a murphy goal? no chance that was a deliberate out of bounds. Then the ruck contest just after where your boy i think it was jacobs from memory hit in straight over for a rushed behind- no free kick just counted as one point, just there thats a 2 goal difference... there are so many ifs and buts in footy, carlton did not deserve to win, they should have as they according to everyone have a much better list but i think the bombers were better on the night.

fevs in accurate goal kicking - 4.7
david hille- 0.2
lovett- 0.1
jetta - 0.2

we kicked 17.14 compared to your 16.16- not exactly a huge diference

Mate don't go leaving here thinking we all bleat about umps. We lost fair and square. That punch through the goals (thought it was Kreuzer actually) was mystifying - as deliberate as it gets. The crowd just looked around in bewilderment - me included.

 

[DamianBis]

Thy. There's no deliberate with punches. Same as when the ball is being spoilt and gets punched out of bounds. never gets called deliberate

 

[thylacine60]

Thy. There's no deliberate with punches. Same as when the ball is being spoilt and gets punched out of bounds. never gets called deliberate

Cheers, DB. Try to keep up with all the changes but I'm one man.

 

[mediumsizered]

Mate don't go leaving here thinking we all bleat about umps. We lost fair and square. That punch through the goals (thought it was Kreuzer actually) was mystifying - as deliberate as it gets. The crowd just looked around in bewilderment - me included.

The ball is allowed to be punched through for a behind, if it occurs as part of a contest, whether it be a marking contest or ruck contest. If it had been uncontested it would have been a free kick.

The deliberate out of bounds paid against Slattery was correct, as his eyes were looking straight at the boundary line when he disposed of the ball & there was no Essendon player between Slattery & the boundary line.

 

[CJudd3Votes]

we should have won
we did not
nobody to blame but ourselves

Are you agreeing, disagreeing or just elaborating on my comment? Because if you're disagreeing that's pretty much what I meant.

 

[Corrosion]

the common theme in this thread seems to be all focus on fevola and how if he had of kicked straight you would have won.

firstly what about the umpiring in the last quarter? deliberate out of bounds resulting in a murphy goal? no chance that was a deliberate out of bounds. Then the ruck contest just after where your boy i think it was jacobs from memory hit in straight over for a rushed behind- no free kick just counted as one point, just there thats a 2 goal difference... there are so many ifs and buts in footy, carlton did not deserve to win, they should have as they according to everyone have a much better list but i think the bombers were better on the night.

fevs in accurate goal kicking - 4.7
david hille- 0.2
lovett- 0.1
jetta - 0.2

we kicked 17.14 compared to your 16.16- not exactly a huge diference

Just like it should've never been a free kick to Lloyd in the 3rd qtr when Thornton had his eyes on the ball and performed a terrific spoil. But hey, funny how you convieniantly forget to mention that umpiring mishap.

 

[Bee]

the common theme in this thread seems to be all focus on fevola and how if he had of kicked straight you would have won.

firstly what about the umpiring in the last quarter? deliberate out of bounds resulting in a murphy goal? no chance that was a deliberate out of bounds. Then the ruck contest just after where your boy i think it was jacobs from memory hit in straight over for a rushed behind- no free kick just counted as one point, just there thats a 2 goal difference... there are so many ifs and buts in footy, carlton did not deserve to win, they should have as they according to everyone have a much better list but i think the bombers were better on the night.

fevs in accurate goal kicking - 4.7
david hille- 0.2
lovett- 0.1
jetta - 0.2

we kicked 17.14 compared to your 16.16- not exactly a huge diference

Xcuse us, but that free kick to Lloyd was bullshit. The same thing happened to Fevola down the other end of the ground - no free kick!
Just Crap!
Davey provoked what happened with Thornton. It should have been a kick at the centre not another kick on goal.