Strategy Changes & Pre-match Discussion - Round 17 vs. Western Bulldogs, Marvel Friday 07/07, 7:50pm

[Bianconeri]

IN: De Goey
OUT: Harrison
McCreery to sub

Is our current midfield setup good enough to play De Goey more up forward in a third tall role? Could be worth trialling for a week. Can always shift pieces around on game day if it's not working

B: Jeremy Howe - Billy Frampton - Brayden Maynard
HB: John Noble - Darcy Moore - Isaac Quaynor
C: Josh Daicos - Tom Mitchell - Will Hoskin-Elliott
R: Darcy Cameron - Jack Crisp - Nick Daicos
HF: Jordan De Goey - Brody Mihocek - Pat Lipinski
F: Jamie Elliott - Mason Cox - Bobby Hill
I: Scott Pendlebury - Taylor Adams - Oleg Markov - Mason Cox
Sub: Beau McCreery

I assume the Mason Cox on the bench spot is meant for Murphy?

 

[Big Bryza]

Actually don't mind Adams’ season to date. He does things that frustrate you and holds up play but you can't fault his effort and endeavour.

Averaging 18.6 disposals, almost a goal a game and is ranked elite for score involvements. Not bad for a high half-forward.

Even commentators and a couple of media personalities have commended his work this season.


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The suggestion on Adams being the one to go out isn't exactly a knock on him. We all know what he brings and we all know his limitations.

The reality is, if we somehow have a fit list to pick from, there's going to be 1-2 very unlucky players to miss or be relegated to sub.

it'll come from a pool of players such as Adams, WHE, Lipinski or Markov.

JDG and Sidey are absolute locks so someone is missing out.

The other debate is Frampton or McStay. Yes, McStay was important structurally at the start of the year, but even the club couldn't have foreseen how good a swingman Frampton would become. We're going to need him against the likes of Brisbane and Port come September, so you'd be reluctant to leave him out moving forward.

 

[Big Bryza]

His DE% for the season is 67.3%.

It’s the last QTR in the GF - If you don’t think Petracca, Oliver and Viney are not nervous with Adams AND JDG breathing down their necks you are kidding yourself.

We need his grunt - it’s a no brainer, especially now that he is also kicking and setting up goals.

They'll be sitting at home.

 

[Big Bryza]

IN: De Goey
OUT: Harrison
McCreery to sub

Is our current midfield setup good enough to play De Goey more up forward in a third tall role? Could be worth trialling for a week. Can always shift pieces around on game day if it's not working

B: Jeremy Howe - Billy Frampton - Brayden Maynard
HB: John Noble - Darcy Moore - Isaac Quaynor
C: Josh Daicos - Tom Mitchell - Will Hoskin-Elliott
R: Darcy Cameron - Jack Crisp - Nick Daicos
HF: Jordan De Goey - Brody Mihocek - Pat Lipinski
F: Jamie Elliott - Mason Cox - Bobby Hill
I: Scott Pendlebury - Taylor Adams - Oleg Markov - Mason Cox
Sub: Beau McCreery

With the move of Nick Daicos to a mid, i'd love to see us push De Goey forward more and let him have the 50m to himself, ala Dusty 2017-2020.

 

[Fruit]

The suggestion on Adams being the one to go out isn't exactly a knock on him. We all know what he brings and we all know his limitations.

The reality is, if we somehow have a fit list to pick from, there's going to be 1-2 very unlucky players to miss or be relegated to sub.

it'll come from a pool of players such as Adams, WHE, Lipinski or Markov.

JDG and Sidey are absolute locks so someone is missing out.

The other debate is Frampton or McStay. Yes, McStay was important structurally at the start of the year, but even the club couldn't have foreseen how good a swingman Frampton would become. We're going to need him against the likes of Brisbane and Port come September, so you'd be reluctant to leave him out moving forward.

I’ve said it before but I think one of Howe or Murphy could find themselves unlucky if we play Frampton.
I don’t want Howe or Murphy to miss out but we recruited Frampton to play on the really big guys and if he is to fit in the team I just suspect it will be at one of their expense, particularly if we want to keep some pace in the backline.

 

[FAIRANDBALANCED]

When Sidebottom comes back, aren't we all just arguing what's our best 22? I'd go with

Howe, Moore, Quaynor
Maynard, Murphy, Noble
Jaicos, Pendles, Sidebottom
Adams, Mihocek, Elliott
McReery, McStay, Hill/WHE

Cox, Naicos, DeGoey

Mitchell, Lipinski, Crisp, Cameron

Sub: WHE/Hill

I don't like putting Frampton in for flexibility. He has to beat out Murphy, Cox, Cameron or McStay to be in the side, which he may very well be capable of. WHE is an awesome sub, but is also a great aerobic athlete, so maybe Hill would make more impact coming on in that role. In this team Crisp/Naicos/Pendles are the 7th defender.

Anyway, we would need to be extremely lucky to have all the above players fit at the same time for a long period, so other players will get their chance., coz we ain't a lucky club.

 

[3rdMan]

The other debate is Frampton or McStay. Yes, McStay was important structurally at the start of the year, but even the club couldn't have foreseen how good a swingman Frampton would become. We're going to need him against the likes of Brisbane and Port come September, so you'd be reluctant to leave him out moving forward.

How good of a swingman has he become though? He was quite good in the ruck and quite good in defence. Has only spent about a half up forward, so we don't have enough data there.

So far he's not managed to lock down any spot. He'll need to do that to make the team. McStay is a forward and knows how to play that role. We need another full time tall forward alongside Mihocek, not part timers. McStay is definitely coming in, when he's ready, just a matter of who goes out.

 

[manicpie]

How good of a swingman has he become though? He was quite good in the ruck and quite good in defence. Has only spent about a half up forward, so we don't have enough data there.

So far he's not managed to lock down any spot. He'll need to do that to make the team. McStay is a forward and knows how to play that role. We need another full time tall forward alongside Mihocek, not part timers. McStay is definitely coming in, when he's ready, just a matter of who goes out.

But Frampton kicked 2 goals in half a game as forward, McStay kicked 3 goals in 4 games

 

[Finnishpie]

There is a chance that if he trains well he could be selected.

A chance. Like 5%.

 

[Finnishpie]

The suggestion on Adams being the one to go out isn't exactly a knock on him. We all know what he brings and we all know his limitations.

The reality is, if we somehow have a fit list to pick from, there's going to be 1-2 very unlucky players to miss or be relegated to sub.

it'll come from a pool of players such as Adams, WHE, Lipinski or Markov.

JDG and Sidey are absolute locks so someone is missing out.

The other debate is Frampton or McStay. Yes, McStay was important structurally at the start of the year, but even the club couldn't have foreseen how good a swingman Frampton would become. We're going to need him against the likes of Brisbane and Port come September, so you'd be reluctant to leave him out moving forward.

“McStay was important structuralLy” is pretty damning praise.

 

[adammania9]

I assume the Mason Cox on the bench spot is meant for Murphy?

Yea correct

 

[domus]

The suggestion on Adams being the one to go out isn't exactly a knock on him. We all know what he brings and we all know his limitations.

The reality is, if we somehow have a fit list to pick from, there's going to be 1-2 very unlucky players to miss or be relegated to sub.

it'll come from a pool of players such as Adams, WHE, Lipinski or Markov.

JDG and Sidey are absolute locks so someone is missing out.

The other debate is Frampton or McStay. Yes, McStay was important structurally at the start of the year, but even the club couldn't have foreseen how good a swingman Frampton would become. We're going to need him against the likes of Brisbane and Port come September, so you'd be reluctant to leave him out moving forward.

Adam's is another player who will not be going anywhere. Why do people insist on throwing up the names of players who may have to go and it is always a player who is an integral part of the machine?

 

[Mark W]

But Frampton kicked 2 goals in half a game as forward, McStay kicked 3 goals in 4 games

Yes I agree, you make a great point. Far too small a sample size to draw any conclusions

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Adam's is another player who will not be going anywhere. Why do people insist on throwing up the names of players who may have to go and it is always a player who is an integral part of the machine?

Some supporters are just obsessed with either dropping a player every week...or resting a player every week. Seems bizarre when you're sitting on top of the ladder with a great percentage.

 

[magpies42]

Out Harrison in De Goey

Out cameron/Cox in mcstay

Rest mcreery in ginnivan

Rest Maynard in ruscoe

I’d give Pendles a spell, he’s no spring chicken. Making uncharacteristic errors, looking really slow. He needs a week to freshen up.

Was a week where everyone contributed, hard to make changes.

Maynard should be rested, save him from himself. I said it last week, just repeating it again…unfortunately I’m right.

A foot injury for someone as agile and tenacious as Mcreery is a danger, we should be conservative…we have the players waiting in the wings bring them in!

McStay needs to play in the VFL is what the coaches determined, I back them in.

In Degoey, Macrae and Mcinnes
Out Pendles, Maynard and Mcreery

 

[magpies42]

Yes I agree, you make a great point. Far too small a sample size to draw any conclusions

And Gold Coast were witches hats

 

[3rdMan]

But Frampton kicked 2 goals in half a game as forward, McStay kicked 3 goals in 4 games

One goal as a forward from a free kick. Took zero marks.
The other goal was from defence.

Not the only measure for the role. And one half is not enough data, especially against a team who performed terribly.

McStay kicked 3 goals in 3 games playing forward. Again not enough data and goals is not the key metric for his role, it's contests and bringing the ball to the ground. Mihocek and McStay are our two options for this role, the bigger guys don't get to enough contests.

Don't see any way that McStay doesn't come in when he's ready. There's a clear gap to be filled.

 

[Kappa]

Some supporters are just obsessed with either dropping a player every week...or resting a player every week. Seems bizarre when you're sitting on top of the ladder with a great percentage.

We have a lot of quite old players. Geelong rested their older players and won a premiership. AFL footy is a brutal sport, why is it a bad idea exactly to freshen players up before finals?

 

[SwanBet]

IN: J.DeGoey
OUT: H.Harrison (omitted), W.Hoskin-Elliott (sub)

B: B.Maynard - D.Moore - N.Murphy
HB: J.Crisp - J.Howe - I.Quaynor
C: O.Markov - J.DeGoey - J.Daicos
HF: T.Adams - B.Mihocek - P.Lipinski
F: J.Elliott - M.Cox - B.Hill
R: D.Cameron - T.Mitchell - N.Daicos
I: J.Noble - S.Pendlebury - B.Frampton - B.McCreery
S: W.Hoskin-Elliott

McStay will play VFL this week. If he was meant to get VFL minutes this week and was a late out there, I fully expect him to be named there again this week. It also gives us another chance to get a look at Billy again, and see if there is a real role for him in this side moving forward (at the expense of Cox).

I have shifted Crispy back to defence, and I hope he plays there in the back end of this season. Daicos has been sensational in the midfield and I really want to see him in there with DeGoey and Mitchell. Crisp is a proven player coming out of the backline and will fit seamlessly back there. Markov obviously keeps his spot, however I am shifting him to a wing in place of Hosk in the 22.

Beyond this week it's only Sidebottom & McStay that will come into the best 23 imo. McStay will end up coming in for Cox/Frampton and Sidebottom I expect to come in for either Markov/Beau, with whoever misses out of those 2 to be the sub.

 

[jmac70]

We have a lot of quite old players. Geelong rested their older players and won a premiership. AFL footy is a brutal sport, why is it a bad idea exactly to freshen players up before finals?

“In terms of managing our players, I'm not sure if that's the language we want to use. There's times where like tonight there's opportunities to take Darcy Moore off the ground and then Jeremy Howe and whatever it looks like. We'll take those opportunities when they present themselves. Week to week we're presenting to keep improving and we might even choose to manage players throughout the week, but there's a lot to be said about chemistry and time spent together on the field. We don't want to lose sight of that opportunity to use those times".
- Fly

 

[Gambit78]

Funnily enough I was actually pondering whether it’s the perfect role for McCreery. Use the sub genuinely tactically and role the dice on getting through the second half unscathed injury wise.

Release McCreery into the middle ten minutes into the third and use his pace and power to fatigue the opposition’s key movers further, and then let him play his defensive forward role (or push further afield) in the fourth as required.

The injection of energy might go someway to arresting the lethargy we otherwise seem to possess.

I also feel the opposition has a say too. For instance, Lions are a bigger bodied team, having Pendles and Beau starting makes sense, and someone like Markov as sub.

Against Port, who are quick across the ground, I'd consider a Frampton as sub and have legspeed on the field.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

We have a lot of quite old players. Geelong rested their older players and won a premiership. AFL footy is a brutal sport, why is it a bad idea exactly to freshen players up before finals?

Which old players? Pendles? He's been injured this year and subbed off. Sidebottom? He's been injured for weeks. Cox? He's been injured and had weeks off. Mitchell? He gets managed during the week at training. Who needs a rest? Miss whole games so the team is more unsettled whilst we have senior players missing each week through injury or suspension? We've hardly had a settled team all year and you want players to miss whole matches? We manage their training loads during the week. We have rotations during a game. We have a tactical sub. What's this obsession with resting players? We've just come off a bye. They get a bye before the finals. Keep winning during the finals, they get another bye before the GF. How many weeks off do you want?

Cats had many more older players..and they had hardly any injuries during last year.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

With the move of Nick Daicos to a mid, i'd love to see us push De Goey forward more and let him have the 50m to himself, ala Dusty 2017-2020.

Why wouldn't we just have Mitchell, De Goey and Daicos as the starting midfield?

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Why wouldn't we just have Mitchell, De Goey and Daicos as the starting midfield?

Fairness clause

 

[Finnishpie]

I’ve said it before but I think one of Howe or Murphy could find themselves unlucky if we play Frampton.
I don’t want Howe or Murphy to miss out but we recruited Frampton to play on the really big guys and if he is to fit in the team I just suspect it will be at one of their expense, particularly if we want to keep some pace in the backline.

Howe?

Maybe next year but otherwise he's easily best 22. Can play small and tall, is one of the fastest on the list, great interceptor, elite kick and shows no real signs of slowing down. So that's just weird.

Murphy maybe but he seems to have secured his spot.

More likely it's Cameron or Cox to miss out if we play Frampton (and McStay).