Strategy Changes & Pre-match Discussion - Round 22 vs. Geelong, MCG, Fri 11/08, 7:50pm

[Jen2310]

Not sure if that's a good or bad thing for his chances. Elliott has been killing it as our small inside 50 - but perhaps they feel he's left a gaping contest and pressure hole higher up the ground.

Might just be to do with the fact they wanted him up there to generate something, given we were struggling at that point for scores.

 

[cfc19902010]

Frampton for murphy
cox for johnson
reef for mitchell
ginnivan for naicos
WHE for lipinski

mccreery in to the guts
Howe forward to man up on Stewart


Maynard Frampton IQ
noble Moore crisp
daicos. mccreery sidey
ginny. howe. miho
Elliott mcstay hill

cox
degoey
pendles

inter...Cameron
markov
Adams (last chance )
WHE

sub ..reef

 

[Big Bryza]

Frampton needs to come back in regardless of who Geelong puts on the park, to rebuild the necessary trust and chemistry because he has a big month or longer coming up.


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Billy must come in. Frees up Moore who is trying to play 2 different roles atm.

We need Bruzzy, Howe, IQ and Noble back to their best as well.

 

[Bianconeri]

Not sure if that's a good or bad thing for his chances. Elliott has been killing it as our small inside 50 - but perhaps they feel he's left a gaping contest and pressure hole higher up the ground.

Could be a good thing if they’re looking to move McCreery up the field.

 

[Sweeetleftfoot]

King has written us off. We are a team who relies upon one player to win us the flag apparently. Oh well. Season over. I much prefer this new attitude. Pies are done. We always seem to play better when written off.

Seems old mate king had a sneak peak on this forum after the game, amazing how people turn so quick.

 

[Big Bryza]

I cannot seeing us winning either of the next 2 games against Geelong & Melbourne, respectively. Then I reckon that the game against Essendon - given our current form - is totally line ball. It is quite possible that we could end the home & away season with 5 straight losses!!!!!

We'll win our next 6 and be premiers!

See, anyone can play the guessing game.

 

[TW Sherrin]

You’re not alone - desperation and hope, not logic, underpins the push by so many here for Ginnivans return.
At least you’re honest.

aside from his form etc, if they pick him it'll certainly amp up the vibe around the team and maybe give them a spark.

 

[Big Bryza]

But you play at the level the oppo allow. Hence, we've been worked out. Oppo aren't allowing us to play at our level.

So 16 times out of 20 we've disallowed the oppo to play the way they want then.

It's such a simplistic way to look at it.

 

[swoop42]

Fair to say the Brisbane game is already looming large and if we only win one more H&A game for the year that's the one we want.

Failure to win that match, with a single victory in either of the other 2 games, might well not be enough to secure a top 2 position given how close the percentage is between us, Melbourne and Brisbane.

Of course that relies on the assumption that Melbourne and Brisbane win their 3 remaining games.

Hate to say it but for 1 week only, go Blues!

 

[Prexm]

aside from his form etc, if they pick him it'll certainly amp up the vibe around the team and maybe give them a spark.

This is tongue-in-cheek for all those anti Ginnivan . Did not play Rd 4 = loss. Played Rds 5-12 wins. Did not play Rd 13 = loss. 8 from 8. Bring him in to get us back on track.

 

[Big Bryza]

Interesting you assume Geelong will continue their form line, when more often than not this season, it's been shown that teams pretty consistently "get up" to play us.

I said Hawthorn would play their best game this season before Saturday and they did

Geelong will 100% play the best game they've played for a while on Friday

This is the other reason I don't see us winning another game. Because we don't have the luxury of playing teams who are off (or extremely rarely, like Gold Coast). So we can't actually afford to be out of form and win. Yeah, we can be "off by 5-10%" and still win games, but we can't be in flat out poor form, which we are now.

Again, the only thing we have to hold onto right now, is an against the grain massive form turnaround. Which appears unlikely given the injuries we've just copped on Saturday.

The cup is half empty at your end i see...

 

[Johno9911]

I don't often agree with Matthew Lloyd - but I think he hit the nail on the head during AAA in regards to Tom Mitchell and Tay Adams. We need to accept what they are, they are center bounce and clearance midfielders, that combined for 18 center bounce stoppages on Saturday (but contrast Pendles, De Goey and about 5 hawthorn mids attended 20+ each). I often felt that having both in the team was like having a "bet each way", but they've shown that can't consistently impact games playing as forwards or on a flank, so I think it's about time we make the call on one or the other and commit to them as a pure inside mid (with the other playing VFL). Watching what Bevo has done with Libba this year should be the blueprint, they trialed him as a forward/out on a wing, it failed and he's back to being as important to the dogs as an inside mid as Bont is.

Out: N Daicos, Murphy, Adams/Mitchell (whichever the coaching panel feels has performed the least), Lipinski
In: Ginnivan, Frampton, Markov, WHE

Howe, Frampton, Quaynor
Maynard, Moore, Noble

Cameron, Mitchell/Adams, De Goey,
Daicos, Crisp, Sidebottom

Hill, Mihocek, Elliott
Ginnivan, McStay, Johnson

Pendlebury, Markov, WHE, McCreery
Sub (Lipinski)

Get Beau and Crisp into the middle more to provide some much needed speed and pressure around the stoppages. Hawthorn just walked it into our D50 far to easily and put our usually resilient backline under far too much pressure. Sadly we lose the flexibility of Frampton/Howe, but with syndesmosis injuries often ones that can linger around, we need to get as much chemistry between the three of Moore/Howe/Frampton as we can in the event Murphy isn't right comes finals time.

I'll persist with the forward trio of AJ, Mihocek and McStay for now - as I think it can work, but it needs to turn around quick (especially for AJ with Cox and Kreuger breathing down his neck). While Ginni isn't the greatest of form atm, he's a known goal threat and spark type player, and with my proposal of using Beau through the middle more than we need to fill the threat i50 with someone dangerous around the sticks.

 

[Big Bryza]

King has written us off. We are a team who relies upon one player to win us the flag apparently. Oh well. Season over. I much prefer this new attitude. Pies are done. We always seem to play better when written off.

He's just salty coz he put his salary on Naicos for the Brownlow.

 

[Big Bryza]

Way to completely (and conveniently) ignore all context

"Always up" who said teams are always up? I said teams seem to get up for us. Us specifically. We (almost) always seem to get the best version of each team on the day. Particularly this season as the ladder leader. Hell, even Whateley alluded to it this morning when dissecting our situation.

Yeah, our form has been poor for a while. But as I've also said, we've been getting away with it because we've been winning by blowing teams away in a quarter of football (sometimes less). Maybe you and I differ on how form is viewed? Maybe you just look at the Win? I tend to look a little deeper than that.

But that poor form has now culminated in two really bad losses where we looked nowhere near the Top side we're supposed to be, a month out from finals. Which is the time you should probably be in pretty decent form wouldn't you think?

Throw in injuries to a couple of pretty important players and it doesn't seem wholly unreasonable to think we won't win a game for the rest of the season.

Outside Essendon, we're playing nothing but Top sides for the remainder of the season. Given what third last just did to us, not sure why anyone would be confident against fellow top sides (and the reigning premier)

You are aware where Geelong sit on the ladder?

 

[swoop42]

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[ElliottsMaggies]

It's only been 16 days since one of our best wins of the season and now we're not going to win another game for the rest of the year?

Can you imagine if the players thought like this!

It's ludicrous isn't it? Have a look at all the sides below us who have played poorly for many more matches than us, in fact some have been downright diabolical..yet they managed to turn their form around & most are now fighting for a spot in the eight. We have 2 losses in a row whilst looking flat & fumbly & our season is apparently over? Why wouldn't we be able to turn it around too?

 

[YouBeauty]

David King is a ****ing piece of shit although I'm enjoying the pile on. We need to be the hunters again.

 

[HFF]

We have to believe in the manager and what the plan is.
I refuse to believe there isn’t a plan that they’re sticking to irrespective of what the noise is like n the outside.

Here’s hoping McRae and co can steer the ship.

 

[pz5151]

Load training block in July creates heavy legs will have them cherry ripe in the finals.

I’ve been hoping this is the case also but has there been any evidence that it has happened?

 

[swoop42]

I actually thought Kings analysis was reasonable and something we need to be brave enough to consider.

 

[anshell]

Billy must come in. Frees up Moore who is trying to play 2 different roles atm.

We need Bruzzy, Howe, IQ and Noble back to their best as well.

Exactly.I don’t think Frampton should have been dropped in the first place.We need another lock down defender and a big one at that.Murphy and Howe can’t play that role,and that’s why Moore’s game has suffered in recent weeks.

 

[neilk]

Surely sitting out the last quarter means he is playing next week?

So Frampton in for Murphy and Ginnivan in for Daicos, at least.

 

[danielnajdek]

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King lost me when he named Pendlebury.

 

[Soaring Magpie]

Have you read this board?

Of course, but you’d expect better from people in the Industry

 

[unplugged]

It's a shame they made Cox play out the entirety of the VFL game.

Ideally I'd probably go:

Frampton for Murphy

Markov into the 22 for Nick Daicos

Cox for Johnson

And give WHE another go as sub.