Unofficial Preview Changes/prematch discussion vs West Coast (FINAL TEAM: Swallow, SMac, Jacobs for Atley, LMac, KT)

[Black2Blue]

Player performs in the VFL and not picked = outrage

Player performs in the VFL and is picked = outrage

We is a traumatized BigFooty board. The suffering is taking its toll.

 

[LT Smash]

Fair point, but I more meant from a team balance perspective. McMahon and Firrito are more similar than McMahon and Atley in terms of age, game style, etc.

If I was going to bring a player in for Atley, for instance, it would be Mullet

I guess with all this hand wringing over a 28 year old and the specious argument that team balance is age related, we won't be bringing back Wells and dal Santo unless we drop Boomer and Drew. Wouldn't want to upset our age quota.

 

[ansonholt]

Are you serious?

Is that you Gibbo?

Yes, I'm serious, and no I'm not Sam Gibson.

You are perfectly entitled to your opinion and I can even understand it. I just disagree with you and 90% of the posters on this forum.

He frustrates me at times too, but he is critical to us at the moment. I recall some time recently when he was dropped and people (strangely enough) began noticing what we were missing - run and link up options. Sometimes he is the *only* one who does it. As with Jarad Waite, you have to take the bad with the good.

 

[Spitta09]

Scott's job is on the line and the changes demonstrate it. Refusal to give daw a game all year. Play anyone old and experienced-this may get the job short term but long term its a recipe for disaster.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

In: McMahon.

Out: Winning.

 

[niko11]

Missing from our best 22 for injury or poor form..

Dal, Wells, Mullet, Atley.. Just to put it in percpective these players are our fastest and silkiest players when in form and all of a sudden we look really slow can't wait till they are all back and firing!

Also players who are our future in Mcdonald,Wood,Turner,Brown and Dumont,Daw. Bad form aside we need all these players in our best 22 fit and in form to challenge the best sides imo..

Once all these players are back give or take one or two i think North can afford to carry a Wood or a Turner till they find their feet as no 21 and sub.. Till then i wont be expecting much from the current list...

 

[Donkey Chop]

I'm going to put it out there and say McMahon will surprise a lot on this board and show he's up to it.
He's in the best shape of his career, he's smart, disciplined and can actually use the footy really well, but most importantly he's hungry and he's earnt his call up.

on ya fatty McMahon

 

[ansonholt]

I'm going to put it out there and say McMahon will surprise a lot on this board and show he's up to it.
He's in the best shape of his career, he's smart, disciplined and can actually use the footy really well, but most importantly he's hungry and he's earnt his call up.

on ya fatty McMahon

Yep, I'm on this train. I hope he does a Firrito, circa 2014.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

happy for mcmahon. would have been nice to see the club walk the walk after talking the talk.

 

[EDFL follower]

Yes, I'm serious, and no I'm not Sam Gibson.

You are perfectly entitled to your opinion and I can even understand it. I just disagree with you and 90% of the posters on this forum.

He frustrates me at times too, but he is critical to us at the moment. I recall some time recently when he was dropped and people (strangely enough) began noticing what we were missing - run and link up options. Sometimes he is the *only* one who does it. As with Jarad Waite, you have to take the bad with the good.

I'm with you on Gibson but I agree that we are in the minority. Luckily the selectors agree with us. Without his great last quarter against the drug cheats we may well have lost 3 in a row. Imagine this board then.

 

[EDFL follower]

100% Agree..... If this pick is the NMFC going forward then WTF.

It's a blight on the clubs recruitment process that a slow 28yo who has played 16 of the last 50 games gets the nod ahead of the future in Mason Wood.

How is this looking toward the future Crocker???

This club is turned into the laughing stock in the space of 9 rounds. Frikken Joke !!!!

Why would we pick someone for the future? We have to win this week so the selectors have picked the best side possible to win on Sunday. Seems reasonable to me. Who knows if we had have had another experienced head like Mcmahon down back in the 3rd last week we might have been better organised and the result could have been different.

 

[LB2Snake]

There is a lot of that going around.

Sack Clarko!!

#swapclarko ?

 

[Egga]

Just to clarify two points:

1. McMahon was selected because Atley has stunk it up all year. Mullett is not yet match fit and McMahon is our best performed defender in the VFL. There is no-one else playing well at VFL level. Yes, McMahon is not the future and it is a sad state of affairs if he is getting a game. Unfortunately that's just where we're at right now. Mullett will come in as soon as he is fit if he is in any kind of form. In the meantime, get yourself some Kleenex, have a cry and suck it up. Let's hope McMahon plays well. He's a better user of the ball than most in the team.

2. Daw was not selected because we already have three tall forwards and three tall defenders. Adding Daw at either end would make us too tall and the match committee believe none of our other talls have yet played themselves into getting dropped. Some may disagree with this, but that's the rationale. I hope our talls play well, but if not, I also hope to see what Maj can do at some point during the season.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Just to clarify two points:

1. McMahon was selected because Atley has stunk it up all year. Mullett is not yet match fit and McMahon is our best performed defender in the VFL. There is no-one else playing well at VFL level. Yes, McMahon is not the future and it is a sad state of affairs if he is getting a game. Unfortunately that's just where we're at right now. Mullett will come in as soon as he is fit if he is in any kind of form. In the meantime, get yourself some Kleenex, have a cry and suck it up. Let's hope McMahon plays well. He's a better user of the ball than most in the team.

2. Daw was not selected because we already have three tall forwards and three tall defenders. Adding Daw at either end would make us too tall and the match committee believe none of our other talls have yet played themselves into getting dropped. Some may disagree with this, but that's the rationale. I hope our talls play well, but if not, I also hope to see what Maj can do at some point during the season.

Brown looks like he can barely run.

He needs to sit.

 

[Egga]

Brown looks like he can barely run.

He needs to sit.

Maybe. If that's the case, expect a good return on your rubles at the late change market.

 

[north_lad]

I guess with all this hand wringing over a 28 year old and the specious argument that team balance is age related, we won't be bringing back Wells and dal Santo unless we drop Boomer and Drew. Wouldn't want to upset our age quota.

Look personally I do think age is a factor in team balance. Wells and Dal are a good example, I am concerned that our best outside ball users are both in their 30s (and in the case of Wells, is struggling to stay fit and maintain continuity in his football.)

Meanwhile Richmond are beating Freo by 50 points

 

[Gasometer]

Looked at the first 4 games of 1999 (researching for BF) and we lost 3/4....i wonder what BF would have been like if it existed back thenzzz.

 

[Winter]

In: McMahon.

Out: Winning.

What 22 would you select for Sunday?

 

[archereleven]

Just to clarify two points:

1. McMahon was selected because Atley has stunk it up all year. Mullett is not yet match fit and McMahon is our best performed defender in the VFL. There is no-one else playing well at VFL level. Yes, McMahon is not the future and it is a sad state of affairs if he is getting a game. Unfortunately that's just where we're at right now. Mullett will come in as soon as he is fit if he is in any kind of form. In the meantime, get yourself some Kleenex, have a cry and suck it up. Let's hope McMahon plays well. He's a better user of the ball than most in the team.

2. Daw was not selected because we already have three tall forwards and three tall defenders. Adding Daw at either end would make us too tall and the match committee believe none of our other talls have yet played themselves into getting dropped. Some may disagree with this, but that's the rationale. I hope our talls play well, but if not, I also hope to see what Maj can do at some point during the season.

I actually think this is the biggest reason he is back in the team. Most of our players cannot hit the side of a barn when they get it.

 

[CBSlogger]

Players have been given opportunities over the last 18 months. Some have stepped up and maintained a presence in and around the 22 (Brown, Turner, Jacobs and now Dumont), others haven't (Wood, Currie, Tippett, Warren).

I could go into a selection breakdown but I couldn't be stuffed trying to bring logic to the table in this thread, its too far gone. In short we have been hamstrung by injury through the middle, and our key replacements have had injury and form concerns. Is their complacency amongst the group over their job security? Maybe. But I'd put money on their being more changes made if Adams, Harper, Garner and Mullett were fit over the last few weeks. I mean, what do we want? Brad McKenzie in off an injury lay off when he struggles to find the pill at VFL level? Another hack it forward midfield player in Jacobs into the midfield rotation?

I'm all for making changes but not at the cost of losing games as a consequence.

Turner and McDonald deserve a rest. Swallow and Jacobs deserve a run.

Daw deserves a run, and Brown/Waite could make way. I'd be happy either way.

Atley deserves to be dropped but is including McMahon into an already now snail like back line the best move?

Will Wood, who has been middling at best in the VFL provide a better game than Gibson? Less turn overs for sure but a better game?

Would a fit Mullett be a good inclusion? A fit Adams? Garner? Harper? Wells? Dal Santo? I'd say they would all likely provide more that McKenzie, McMahon and probably Wood on form.

We are scraping the barrel and I want us to win. Don't get me wrong, sending a strong message to the group is important but getting 4 points even more so. Playing guys who ain't showing a great deal at VFL level is worse than playing guys who go missing for periods at AFL level. Not by much, but it is worse.

I was enjoying this thread far more this morning BTron, before you butted in with all of your reason and logic.

 

[D23D]

Why would we pick someone for the future? We have to win this week so the selectors have picked the best side possible to win on Sunday. Seems reasonable to me. Who knows if we had have had another experienced head like Mcmahon down back in the 3rd last week we might have been better organised and the result could have been different.

Completely agree. A couple here have said he is not the way forward, not the future.
I don't give a sh!t. All I care about today is 4 points this weekend via a confidence lifting win against WC.
That's our immediate future. 4 points. If CrOcks reckons McMahon will assist with that, then fine with me.
I just want the next 4 points

 

[Dirty_11]

I agree with all that except Warren.

He held Mayes to none/one goal (iirc) and didn't do a lot wrong. He is a battler no doubt but he was nowhere near as bad as some on here like to remember.....plus his defensive discipline/application is what some of our more talented players could learn from.

Anyway, spot on about Loose. I'm just happy we actually made a thoughtful change regardless what happens to be honest.

Can kick too.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

What 22 would you select for Sunday?

I'm still having nightmares of his last few games.

 

[Dodecahedron]

Dear North,

If you pick Daw in the squad, then actually play him you spineless, over-cautious cretins.
Or stop ****ing posting highlights packages of him on the NMFC website.
Jeeeezuz. You can't have it both ways FFS.
I don't give a crap if he plays on a wing if you're too chicken to drop Waite or Brown (with a dodgy knee.)
If he plays a couple of bad games I'll then shut up.

Regards,
DDH

 

[Orange Peanut]

****ing hell I think this might be the worst thread I've ever read in 15-odd years on this board.

So many whingeing little ****s making bullshit statements as though they are sprouting known facts instead of their own ignorant clueless biases.

And the lack of respect for a couple of our players is mind boggling/ embarrassing / disgusting.