Preview Changes: R3 vs Gold Coast

[Deaneus!]

Category #4 - Unwilling to Compete
Seedsman
Knight
Milera
Smith
Gibbs
Atkins
Gallucci

So much wasted potential in that group.

I'm not writing Gallucci off yet, I don't think he's been given a real chance. I'd love to see our starting midfield with only one of Crouch/Crouch/Sloane at opening bounces and rotating all the kids we have by quarter to give them a real look

 

[Golumless]

I think youre being a touch under dramatic.

When exactly do you think we will push for our next flag? Conservatively its going to be a solid 5-6 years. By then its goodbye to all of Tex, Talia, Sloane. Crouch bros wont be here either IMO. Thats our ~5 best players already, current day.

You need to look at the age of our players, go home factor and player movements and delisting in general.

Im curious of who you think will be around in our next prelim team in 5-6 years at least???

5 years?

At the moment, players I'm 100% confident will be in that side, if we rebound, that are already best 22.

ROB, Milera, M.Crouch, Jones, Doedee, McHenry, McAsey, Stengle and Fogarty

On our list, yet to cement themselves, but I'd give them a >50% chance of finding their way into any rebuilt side:

Hamill, Sholl, Butts, Worrell, Shoenburg, McAdam (if he can stay healthy)

<50% chance. I.e. too raw, too hard to tell at the moment.

Taylor, O'Connor (as much as I am his no.1 fan at the moment), Gollant.

<50% chance. Probably got the talent, but seems out of favour:

Gallucci, Poholke.

Likely to max out as role players, could survive depending on who or what we prioritise in the draft:

Davis, Murphy, Crocker, Keays.


Now, naturally, we're only at the start and drafts/FA/trade periods, as well as time can really upset the apple cart. After all, a M.Crouch might ask to be traded, a Stengle might get completely outgunned because we've brought in the best small forward since Betts, a Jones might decide to the be the captain of the Tasmanian Roos, we might sell a position of being one of the hottest young sides (in 2 years) to bring in a young gun mid elsewhere (I do think we get sucked into a victim complex with being in SA and probably treated a lot of obtainable talent as unobtainable), some role player might just expolde in our lineup, or a ROB might implode with injuries etc. None of that is factored in, we cross all those bridges as we're forced too (or chose too).

That said, I think right now, the whiteboard looks like this, including all of my >50% chances, and my favourite of the unknowns:

B: ??? - Butts - Doedee
HB: Sholl - McAsey - ???
C: Hamill - M.Crouch - Milera
HF: ??? - Fogarty - Davis/McAdam/Crocker/Murphy
F: Stengle - ??? - ???
R: O'Brien - Jones - McHenry
INT: Schoenberg - Worrell - ??? - O'Connor.

 

[1970crow]

Port were the 4th oldest team in the AFL last week.

There is of course a sense of excitement about youth because of their 2018 picks.

But they are in no way shape or form a rebuilding side. They are for the now.

Difference between them and us in 2017, is that there wasn't anything too exciting in our youth dept. CC had an average year, Lever was good as a 3rd tall and Milera looked ok from a couple of games, but couldn't hold his spot. Port have reason to be excited about what the next crack might be built around when this group is done. We had no such excitement.

 

[Golumless]

I think you're both right.

He's a notoriously slow starter, especially coming back from injury.

He can do a lot of good linking scoring, but he needs to be dragged into a game, I don't recall him ever starting fast and dragging the team along with him.

Lynch?

I reckon he's the opposite. His best game in crows colours was the one where he returned from a virus that caused massive amounts of fatigue. That said, his issue is his performance is completely reliant on the team around him. They do well, he'll do well. They don't, he won't.

 

[Betts are off]

I think youre being a touch under dramatic.

When exactly do you think we will push for our next flag? Conservatively its going to be a solid 5-6 years. By then its goodbye to all of Tex, Talia, Sloane. Crouch bros wont be here either IMO. Thats our ~5 best players already, current day.

You need to look at the age of our players, go home factor and player movements and delisting in general.

Im curious of who you think will be around in our next prelim team in 5-6 years at least???

Ok so you’re saying at least 5 people will not be on the list during our next tilt?

Cause your original statement was phrased like only 4 players maximum from today’s list will be on the team by our next tilt.

 

[1970crow]

So much wasted potential in that group.

I'm not writing Gallucci off yet, I don't think he's been given a real chance. I'd love to see our starting midfield with only one of Crouch/Crouch/Sloane at opening bounces and rotating all the kids we have by quarter to give them a real look

Same, Gooch has shown enough in glimpses from the graveyard as a sub 20 gamer to think he might have a career in him still. It's going to rely on him getting picked up by someone else at the end of the year though, because I think he's done with us. But look at the crap that was served up by nearly all our senior players on Saturday night and tell me how any of them don't belong in the same boat.

 

[fabs33]

Same, Gooch has shown enough in glimpses from the graveyard as a sub 20 gamer to think he might have a career in him still. It's going to rely on him getting picked up by someone else at the end of the year though, because I think he's done with us. But look at the crap that was served up by nearly all our senior players on Saturday night and tell me how any of them don't belong in the same boat.

The good thing about what was served up by our senior players is that it justifies playing the kids, without arousing suspicions of tanking.

 

[footy4ever]

While we're indeed an inferior team with an inferior list, to add insult to this 'injury', we know the AFL and the AFL media are always searching for, and accommodating, a fairytale, I bet we get royally worked over by the umpiring so Gold Coast can in these uncertain and difficult times overcome adversity and famously, miraculously, and unbelievably courageously, win their first ever match against the Crows.

 

[Murray2503]

Suns are *slowly* coming in, they were $1.83 two days ago

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GC 1-39 paying 2.10 on sb which looks very good value to me. 40plus out to 8 bucks.

 

[Samcro24]

Suns are *slowly* coming in, they were $1.83 two days ago

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Looks like free money. But I thought that when we played West Coast last year, and didnt lose by that much.

 

[Vader]

While we're indeed an inferior team with an inferior list, to add insult to this 'injury', we know the AFL and the AFL media are always searching for, and accommodating, a fairytale, I bet we get royally worked over by the umpiring so Gold Coast can in these uncertain and difficult times overcome adversity and famously, miraculously, and unbelievably courageously, win their first ever match against the Crows.

Gold Coast won't need a free ride from the umps. They will do us by 5+ goals, on our own (lack of) merits.

 

[footy4ever]

Gold Coast won't need a free ride from the umps. They will do us by 5+ goals, on our own (lack of) merits.

Yes I know, but GC will be aided and abetted when the game is there to be won anyway, regardless of our level of rubbish, and if we do look like stealing it, wait for the critical decisions to go every which way but our way.

 

[cleanhands]

Yes I know, but GC will be aided and abetted when the game is there to be won anyway, regardless of our level of rubbish, and if we do look like stealing it, wait for the critical decisions to go every which way but our way.

 

[jackster83]

Yes I know, but GC will be aided and abetted when the game is there to be won anyway, regardless of our level of rubbish, and if we do look like stealing it, wait for the critical decisions to go every which way but our way.

I'd be happy with a close loss, as long as our kids show a bit.

 

[1970crow]

The good thing about what was served up by our senior players is that it justifies playing the kids, without arousing suspicions of tanking.

And that's exactly what Nicks said. He's basically said that he will handle the kids being shit, but not the senior players. If he follows through with that attitude, we might be ok.

 

[Vader]

Yes I know, but GC will be aided and abetted when the game is there to be won anyway, regardless of our level of rubbish, and if we do look like stealing it, wait for the critical decisions to go every which way but our way.

We won't be in the frame when "the game is there to be won". They won't need any help.

 

[Alwaysacrow]

If we get belted again I hope Nicks lives up to his promise of dropping senior players. I've never been in favour of tanking but if you're ever going to do it in our predicament this is the time. If I was coach I'd play as many young players as we can for the rest of the year and say to them "Which ones of you want a contract for next year". We're going nowhere this year anyway so we may as well find out who will take us forward.

 

[ShadeyP]

I echo the sentiment in here of a lot of people regarding Sloane. His reputation was built as a extremely hard running flanker/wingman. Creating space and gut running to provide an option where there wasn’t any.

When Danger left I feel like we pressured him into a full time inside mid role, which to his credit he was great at. But he’s proven to not be able to handle the attention of a #1 mid when he gets closely checked, and his body would be far better off without the constant pounding that it’s taken since 2016.

To get the most out of him for the remainder of his career I think he needs to be sent to the wing/HFF for 90% of gametime with occasional stints on the ball. Id much rather see him get 20 high quality possessions then 32 low quality scrapping touches!

100% agreed .... start him on the Wing or HFF and let him roam .

 

[Sidthehat]

Assuming Sloane fit.

IN: Poholke, McAdam, McPherson
OUT: Atkins, Keays, Kelly

 

[BRL121]

I wonder if we're actually analyzing the GCS this week and developing specific tactics to counter them? This sort of thing would be a major improvement on the old "we'll just take care of our game".

 

[mcattack]

Just want to see some fight this week but ...

In: Burg, Miles
OUT: Atkins, Walker

Burg for next 3 games. Then Frampton 3 games.

 

[BunjiMac]

He should be playing the ‘Lynch’ role; Sloane has great endurance, is a quality mark, can actually apply some defensive pressure up forward, is a decent kick for goal and tackles hard.

Also creates some needed midfield time for Smith, Milera, Jones etc.

I have a problem with the whole concept of the "Lynch role" because I think it creates this idea that it's only one person's job to run hard up and down the field.

Everyone else can coast.

The sooner we eliminate that role and reexamine our forward strategy the better.

 

[GROTTO]

Suns are *slowly* coming in, they were $1.83 two days ago

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Imagine if you jumped on the Suns when they were paying $2.50 for the win.

 

[BunjiMac]

I posted this in the GBU thread. I thought it was also appropriate here:

Selection priority right now, for the senior players at least, should be based on:

1. Players who are willing (and able) to compete and not be lazy, and have good disposal
2. Players who are willing (and able) to compete and not be lazy, with poor disposal
3. Players who are willing but unable to compete and are not lazy (regardless of disposal)
4. Players who are unwilling to compete and are lazy (regardless of disposal)

Here's how I'd categorise them:

Category #1 - Willing & Able to Compete, Good Disposal
Sloane (maybe...)
Brown
Doedee

Category #2 - Willing & Able to Compete, Poor Disposal
Lynch
Laird
Matt Crouch ** compete offensively, poor defensively
Brad Crouch ** compete offensively, poor defensively
O'Brien
Talia

Category #3 - Willing but Unable to compete (players with limited ability, but who reliably give 100% on the field)
Walker
Murphy
Crocker
Keays
Mackay
Hartigan
Kelly

Category #4 - Unwilling to Compete
Seedsman
Knight
Milera
Smith
Gibbs
Atkins
Gallucci

** Only players with 20+ AFL games included. Youngsters get a free pass, due to the need to give them experience.

There's probably not a lot of difference in output between categories #3 and #4, but I have a lot more sympathy for players who are actually trying with limited ability, ahead of those who can't be bothered putting in the effort.

Players in category #4 can **** off and never be seen again in the red, blue & gold.

Feel free to debate my groupings. I've got a feeling that some of my cat #1 players really belong in cat #2.

Compete, not compete, to be honest I don't really care right now.

We must be playing only players that are on the right side of that bell curve. That means we need to have a really good read on where that player actually sits on that curve. Unfortunately the AFC has perhaps proven to be the worst in the league at that as it continually hangs in too long to it's senior players and constantly invest time in players who are clearly getting no better.

Who's truly on the up and has a great ceiling. Let's just play those guys and get games into them. Screw the rest, don't care about the result.

If needed, 1 senior guy in each part of the ground, ie back, middle and forward.

 

[BrissyCrow]

I hope youre wrong, thatll mean another 10 years without a flag

I'll be dead by then. Bloody hell. Thats a very sobering thought.