Prediction Changes vs North

[Mattdougie]

Could you please tell us who you would bring in instead of these 7-8 blokes?

Omg did o say we had more options although I'd be playing Mino Adcock and Stevens this week instead of Jong Hrovat and Webb.

I said IMO the blokes playing arnt good enough as even depth. Yes some of them have to play but I'd rather get rid of them and try new blokes after this year

 

[AFDogs]

I'm usually pretty quiet selection night as I usually back in the MC, but I must admit I'm not a massive fan of this weeks inclusions.

Good to see Hrovat get a game, but at the expense of Stevens? North have Cunnington, Swallow and Ziebell who are all bulls and we've dropped our big body mid for a classy, pacey mid? Webb couldn't find the ball a few weeks ago.

I would have bought Honeychurch in and just made a mongrel of the game. We need some hardness at the contest and our ins this week don't bring that.

Questionable.

 

[adsum]

Well to start you don't drop Stevens and or Jong this week.

I hate Jong as a footballer but we need those bodies this week and Hrovat is a dwarf and Webb doesn't have a body yet....

Yet a couple of weeks ago you said "I don't rate the bloke (Jong) at all as best 40 let alone best 22..." The times they are a changin'.

 

[Mattdougie]

Yet a couple of weeks ago you said "I don't rate the bloke (Jong) at all as best 40 let alone best 22..." The times they are a changin'.

Yeah well we are down to 40 now mate and it's simply a size thing between Ikng and Hrovat as they are both no good. So if take the bigger one against a bigger side.

 

[dogsfan]

Omg did o say we had more options although I'd be playing Mino Adcock and Stevens this week instead of Jong Hrovat and Webb.

I said IMO the blokes playing arnt good enough as even depth. Yes some of them have to play but I'd rather get rid of them and try new blokes after this year

Fair enough I would have liked Minson in too only to allow Boyd to spend more time up forward but realistically Minson isn't part of our future.

Stevens is slow out of form has let tackles slip recently and really has only played a good game in Cairns. Adcock to me is really only suited to playing M Boyds role at half back so he's out. As much as you can't stand Jong And Hrovat etc.. You must admit that they do add pace to the side and if we are going to have any chance against a tall Norf it will be to run them off their legs.

 

[Mattdougie]

Fair enough I would have liked Minson in too only to allow Boyd to spend more time up forward but realistically Minson isn't part of our future.

Stevens is slow out of form has let tackles slip recently and really has only played a good game in Cairns. Adcock to me is really only suited to playing M Boyds role at half back so he's out. As much as you can't stand Jong And Hrovat etc.. You must admit that they do add pace to the side and if we are going to have any chance against a tall Norf it will be to run them off their legs.

No they add nothing.

Doesn't matter how fast you are of you don't have the footy or butcher it everytime u have it.

I would have left Adcock at HB and let Moyd play some midfield this week against a big slow Norf midfield. Hrovat is not fast either.

Goldstein has bad hips. Mino could have jumped into him all day like Trengrove did and negated him to basically zero.

It works for other teams why don't we try these things?

 

[fronkalicious]

cmon fronks youre better than that

Sorry doggies, I really really don't rate him, and never have. I think he really hurts us in lots of ways.

 

[DroopStDanny]

And now for something completely different.

 

[dogsfan]

No they add nothing.

Doesn't matter how fast you are of you don't have the footy or butcher it everytime u have it.

I would have left Adcock at HB and let Moyd play some midfield this week against a big slow Norf midfield. Hrovat is not fast either.

Goldstein has bad hips. Mino could have jumped into him all day like Trengrove did and negated him to basically zero.

It works for other teams why don't we try these things?

Good question.... But I guess Bevo and MC have different ideas and I'm happy to back them in after getting us to where we are with the injuries we've copped.

 

[Snarls Barkley]

Not sure why Minson is still on the outer. Roughy does his best work as a second ruck and can actually use his athleticism for the centre bounces. It's too big of a task for him to do alone.

A little surprised Stevens was omitted but his past fortnight has been terrible. He'll dominate the seconds and I'm expecting him to be straight back in next week.

Hamling struggled last week and I wasn't expecting him to get another gig, but good luck to him. From the sounds of things, his VFL form seemed pretty good so maybe he deserves a little run at it.

Happy to see Hrovat and Webb in, excited to see what they can bring. Webb should actually get some midfield minutes with the last couple of injuries. Thought we'd bring McLean in too, hopefully we'll see him soon.

 

[BrisDog]

No they add nothing.

Doesn't matter how fast you are of you don't have the footy or butcher it everytime u have it.

I would have left Adcock at HB and let Moyd play some midfield this week against a big slow Norf midfield. Hrovat is not fast either.

Goldstein has bad hips. Mino could have jumped into him all day like Trengrove did and negated him to basically zero.

It works for other teams why don't we try these things?

I agree on the Minno kneeing Goldy sentiment

 

[Maddog1980]

Lol MD - Lin Jong is statistically better in almost every category than M Boyd at same age.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compareplayerStatus1=A&tid1=8&playerStatus2=A&tid2=8&type=A&pid1=3714&pid2=210&fid1=O&fid2=O

How did Moyds career turn out?

 

[Mattdougie]

Lol MD - Lin Jong is statistically better in almost every category than M Boyd at same age.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compareplayerStatus1=A&tid1=8&playerStatus2=A&tid2=8&type=A&pid1=3714&pid2=210&fid1=O&fid2=O

How did Moyds career turn out?

Mate open your eyes and look at the two players

Stats can prove I have a 12 inch penis if I pull it out as far as I can. It's look impressive on paper but in reality ain't so special.

Anyone that uses stats and only stats to prove who can and can't play footy has no idea. Remember guys called Mark McGough and Simpn Powell? Both had very very good stats all the way through their careers but both struggled to get games consistently and in the end were delisted. It's what u do with the ball once you get it mate

And let's get something clear Jong ain't a pimple of Moyds a$$ as a footy player and never will be, that's insulting to a past Captain

 

[dogwatch]

That's assuming that it's not heavily subject to groupthink.

Can't think of too many voting awards not "heavily subject to groupthink".

One is the AFLCA award. I think the Sutton Medal is probably another. But the Brownlow and Rising Star are good examples of groupthink awards.

In most years the Ching has been as good a guide as any. Last year it was not.

Anyway it's an interesting conjecture on Stevens. Do you mean he'd be top 5 if all players were fully fit? Or do you mean if injury-free he'd be ahead of the likes of Murphy, JJ, Wood, Dahl, etc because they've been injured for extended periods?

In my view he can play the occasional very good game and is a solid workhorse but lacks the class to be consistently up among our best five. Could possibly scrape into our best 10 if he has a good season (and is injury-free).

In his three seasons at the WB he's never finished in the top 10 in the Sutton Medal and - for what it's worth - he has only 2 Brownlow votes for his career. That's a bit disappointing because the Brownlow is usually skewed toward midfielders (groupthink, you know).

 

[boydsno1]

While im a big fan of Stevens i have no doubt he is still playing sore. Got no issue with him taking it easy for a couple weeks then pushing for a finals spot.

 

[immortalmike]

Can't think of too many voting awards not "heavily subject to groupthink".

One is the AFLCA award. I think the Sutton Medal is probably another. But the Brownlow and Rising Star are good examples of groupthink awards.

In most years the Ching has been as good a guide as any. Last year it was not.

Anyway it's an interesting conjecture on Stevens. Do you mean he'd be top 5 if all players were fully fit? Or do you mean if injury-free he'd be ahead of the likes of Murphy, JJ, Wood, Dahl, etc because they've been injured for extended periods?

In my view he can play the occasional very good game and is a solid workhorse but lacks the class to be consistently up among our best five. Could possibly scrape into our best 10 if he has a good season (and is injury-free).

In his three seasons at the WB he's never finished in the top 10 in the Sutton Medal and - for what it's worth - he has only 2 Brownlow votes for his career. That's a bit disappointing because the Brownlow is usually skewed toward midfielders (groupthink, you know).

In the first 6 rounds before his ab injury I think he was amongst our most consistent contributors before Bonti, Wood and others hit their straps. No more and no less.

As for the AFLCA award he has polled fifth best this year amongst Bulldogs despite missing most of the year. Probably helps my point a little.

 

[Maddog1980]

Mate open your eyes and look at the two players

Stats can prove I have a 12 inch penis if I pull it out as far as I can. It's look impressive on paper but in reality ain't so special.

Anyone that uses stats and only stays to prove who can and can't play footy has no idea. Remember guys called Mark McGough and Simpn Powell? Both had very very good stats all the way through their careers but both struggled to get games consistently and in the end were delisted. It's what u do with the ball once you get it mate

Not sure what your second paragraph has to do with anything, but well done for taking it too that level. Let me rephrase this one for you...did you know that in Hrovats last injury free year the FACTS state that statistically Hrovat was far more influential on a game than Sam Mitchell was....How did Sams career pan out?

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compareplayerStatus1=A&tid1=8&playerStatus2=A&tid2=11&type=A&pid1=3815&pid2=266&fid1=A&fopt1=20&fid2=A&fopt2=20

You really need to back off on the vitriol you spill about our players. They work hard, give their all and don't deserve to be spoken about in the manner in which you do. These players will keep on working hard, maybe they'll make it, maybe they'll be traded, maybe they'll just be delisted. Whatever happens these blokes have a great attitude and work hard for their team mates, they deserve our respect no matter how up to it you or others think they are.

Now that's not to say don't question or debate the issue, but don't disrespect them or continually ram your opinions down others throats.

 

[Braybrook Son]

Sorry I struggle to take anyone who describes one of our players as "a hack" seriously.

We've had plenty of hacks over the years. You watching the same Western Bulldogs team as I am?

 

[immortalmike]

We've had plenty of hacks over the years. You watching the same Western Bulldogs team as I am?

Evidently not.

 

[Braybrook Son]

Evidently not.

So, you don't think we've had any 'hacks' over the last 10 to 15 years? Remember Jordan McMahon, Jade Rawlings, Sam Power?

 

[Mattdougie]

Not sure what your second paragraph has to do with anything, but well done for taking it too that level. Let me rephrase this one for you...did you know that in Hrovats last injury free year the FACTS state that statistically Hrovat was far more influential on a game than Sam Mitchell was....How did Sams career pan out?

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compareplayerStatus1=A&tid1=8&playerStatus2=A&tid2=11&type=A&pid1=3815&pid2=266&fid1=A&fopt1=20&fid2=A&fopt2=20

You really need to back off on the vitriol you spill about our players. They work hard, give their all and don't deserve to be spoken about in the manner in which you do. These players will keep on working hard, maybe they'll make it, maybe they'll be traded, maybe they'll just be delisted. Whatever happens these blokes have a great attitude and work hard for their team mates, they deserve our respect no matter how up to it you or others think they are.

Now that's not to say don't question or debate the issue, but don't disrespect them or continually ram your opinions down others throats.

Ahhhh you live by the simplistic idea that if someone works hard we must ignore their deficiencies and applaud them which is admirable.

Sorry I don't work that way. I've never said every single player on our list doesn't work hard but unfortunately that doesn't mean they are any good. I have utter respect for Jong and his endeavour to get where he is and have stated that several times, still doesn't mean he is any good.


The vitriol people went at Jones and Cordy and Griffen on here was similar to what I say but no one spoke about those blokes do they? When I defended Jones and Griffen and Grant from abuse why wasn't that noted? Not that I care I just find it amusing that people on here think because blokes play for the dogs they can do no wrong.

You just compared Hrovat to Mitchell?? Really? Haha ok fair enough. Hrovat is average and injury prone and won't make it IMO so sorry I have no time for wasting games on maybes. That's me right or wrong but at the moment we have no choice I guess. I'm black or white mate I don't live in the rainbow coloured world of today where a strong opinion isn't allowed.

And just so there is no confusing I respect Jong. For the work he has done but have zero for him as a footy player and lost the tiny bit I had when he went to the pies.

 

[immortalmike]

So, you don't think we've had any 'hacks' over the last 10 to 15 years? Remember Jordan McMahon, Jade Rawlings, Sam Power?

I prefer to respect anyone that puts on our jumper by at least not calling them names. If I don't like the way they play I explain my problem with that. I try my best not to publicly denigrate them.

 

[stefoid]

And now for something completely different.

on so many levels

 

[ScottyDogg]

Norf arnt tall? And we bring in two small blokes?

This isn't the weakest midfield we have had in years?

But hey let's pretend it isn't so we can all talk cr@p and ignore reality

Man you over exaggerate. Check out the below midfield against Port Adelaide last year. No Libba, no Bont and no Picken, no Clay, no Dunks, no Daniel

I will take Bont, Picken and Dahl over Macrae, Wallis and Dahl any day. You add Clay, Dunks and Daniel in there and your argument falls to crap.

http://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2015/10/port-v-wb

 

[dogwatch]

In the first 6 rounds before his ab injury I think he was amongst our most consistent contributors before Bonti, Wood and others hit their straps. No more and no less.

As for the AFLCA award he has polled fifth best this year amongst Bulldogs despite missing most of the year. Probably helps my point a little.

Only a little.
17 of his 21 votes came in just two games where he was outstanding (R5, 10 votes and R17, 7 votes). That tends to support my view that he plays the occasional very good game but doesn't seem able to do it week after week, which I find frustrating. Is it just injury or is it something mental?