Changes Vs. Saints

[daneswan]

i hope didak can have a big one, with cj following him everywere.
ditto davis. We need a quick start with this game, show saints we mean business so were not chasing tail all night. BIG BIG emphasis on having a 2nd, 3rd man up spoiling roo i think will be important, with kosi out one less big man to worry about, even though he'll prob still kick a bag.

In: Goldsack (we need more pace/dash)
Presti(fingers crossed)

Out: Bj
Reid

 

[doppleganger]

Sidey, Beams, Thomas actually had a dip on Satdee....they shouldn't be dropped as that sets a bad precedent.

Guys like Heater, Swan, Didak, and Medhurst had no influence on the game.....but they all have accumulated enough tickets to get them a ticket in the 22 as it aint the norm with them.

Jolly and Ball, poor to ordinary again.......senior blokes who expect more from, patience starting to run thin.

Cloke, Anthony, Fraser, L.Brown......pretty much get a pardon, when we cant beat Melbourne in the middle, how can we expect our key forwards to win??

Reid, he was one of our better backmen.

Perhaps need some more run, so out B.Johnson and Anthony........in Macaffer and O'Bree.

Pies will be fired up and beat the saints this week.......get on board at some good value.

 

[stfan]

More likely it'll go like this if we set-up the first 6 like this;

Dawson-Anthony
Blake-Cloke
Gwilt-Medhurst
Young-Didak
Baker-Davis
Goddard-Lockyer

Not sure who Young is?

Lyon will be pleased if you leave Gilbert free.

I think Clinton Jones will be set on Swan this week.
Goddard will probably play midfield pushing forward.

 

[rose jam]

Not sure who Young is?

Lyon will be pleased if you leave Gilbert free.

I think Clinton Jones will be set on Swan this week.
Goddard will probably play midfield pushing forward.

I mean't Clinton Jones for some reason was thinking the name Clinton Young.
That's just how I assumed Lyon would try and set-up to give Gilbert a free run.

Every match these days starts with a loose man in defence, and whoever is losing then goes to 1 on 1 and it's too late. Why not just start 1 on 1.

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

A few players need to get some game time in the VFL, particulary to get some confidence. This week l would change -

In's - Dawes, McCarthy, Presti (if fit /N Brown)
Out's - Anthony, Ball, Johnson (inj)

I don't think O'Bree will play this week either.

 

[LeisureSuitLori]

If Presti doesn't come in and get Riewoldt, we are in big trouble.

Reid is clearly not ready for senior footy.

I'd also love to see Rusling come in and left at full forward one out. Could be an X-Factor.

 

[ozpie]

How bout we just replace the whole team while we're at it?
I honestly don't understand the logic behind some of the the statements around here. The reason we don't bring In rusling, jmac and Dawes is because between them they haven't played more than 10 games in 2 years, plus only Dawes has really shown any preseason form, teams are better when there is competition for spots which there is, but just making changes based on a few quarters of footy disrupts team chemistry.
Cheesey In for Johnson, presti In for Reid if fit, and maybe Dawes In for Anthony if the coaching staff feel Anthony needs a spell.

P.S DTM you are an absolute animal mate, I saw footage of you on YouTube going off your head at the footy, hailing a storm of insults and colourful language! You got passion mate I give u that but I think you need to chill a bit, maybe get off the collingwood website, and go for a walk in the park or something

 

[the mighty T]

If Presti doesn't come in and get Riewoldt, we are in big trouble.

Reid is clearly not ready for senior footy.

I'd also love to see Rusling come in and left at full forward one out. Could be an X-Factor.

nor will he be if he doesnt get game time...
all those who criticise Reid for his game on the weekend must be lost. first game as a CHB at AFL level and i think he was only beaten 3-4 times. Not to mention the fact that his disposal was far better than ive seen N. Brown in the past two seasons.

Also, no offense intended but anyone who thinks that Trav on Roo is a good idea really has to watch the saints play more. IF this matchup was to occur, what he did to the kangaroos this weekend will be an entree to what he'd do to us. People thinking that Trav is a better option than reid are kidding themselves

Outs: BJ, Anthony, Tooves
Ins: Jmac, Dawes, Presti

B O'brien - Prestigiacomo - Maxwell
HB Shaw, Reid, Wellingham
C Dids, Swan, Thomas
HF Davis Cloke Beams
F Lockyer, Dawes, Medhurst
Foll Jolly, Pendles, Ball

INT: Sidebottom - O'Bree - L. Brown - Fraser

Didak has to play deep to have any impact if CJ goes onto him.

 

[Medders123]

B: Tarkyn Lockyer, Simon Prestigiacomo, Tyson Goldsack
HB: Harry O’Brien, Nick Maxwell, Heath Shaw
C: Luke Ball, Dane Swan, Alan Didak
HF: Josh Fraser, John Anthony, John McCarthy
F: Paul Medhurst, Travis Cloke, Leon Davis
Foll: Darren Jolly, Scott Pendlebury, Dale Thomas
Int: Leigh Brown, Shane O’Bree, Steele Sidebottom, Sharrod Wellingham

Emg: Alan Toovey, Dayne Beams, Chris Dawes

But, you could flip a coin between:
Toovey and Goldsack
Beams and Wellingham
Dawes and Anthony

 

[Invigoration]

Out: Fraser, Johnson
In: Obie, Presti

Leroy can chop Jolly out in the ruck, and the extra responsibility won't hurt Jolly anyway. Needs to fire the **** up this weekend.
We're too top heavy at the moment, especially when Fraser and Brown are playing as woeful as they did. Fraser needs to get some touch back, he was embarrassing on the weekend. MM rants on about how the best team will front up each week, no gifted games, but Fraser continually gets a free pass where others wouldn't. Needs to go back to the VFL and prove he actually deserves a spot, because he is nowhere near it at the moment.

O'Bree walks back in after the annihilation that took place at the clearances. We also need two tall defenders for the Saints, so Reid (who played well) stays in and takes the resting ruck whether it be McEvoy or Stanley. Presti still goes to Riewoldt for mine, Maxwell can chop him out when he drops back toward goal. Keeping him to anything under 4 goals is a win in my opinion.

Jmac and Macaffer are borderline, but get held out by good performances from Sidebottom, Beams and Wellingham.

Need Tooves to go to either Milne or Schneider.

 

[Paddywhackers]

I have a good feeling Jolly will fire this week... A really good feeling about this one!!!

 

[Keele]

If Presti doesn't come in and get Riewoldt, we are in big trouble.

Reid is clearly not ready for senior footy.

I'd also love to see Rusling come in and left at full forward one out. Could be an X-Factor.

Reid beat his opponent... how can he be classed as not ready for AFL.

Can you show me what Rusling has done so far this year to show he is ready? Or is this based again on your opinion?

 

[Football God]

Bn Reid has been given plenty of chances to peform on the big stage and continually doesn't get the job done right.

IMHO if he doesn't peform good enough, i think he could be delisted at the end of the season or traded to GC. i want him to stay but i just hope they get him in the perfect position he's good at and does it well.

He is only in to fill in for presti so i dont know if he'll get a spot against the saints.

Rusling should come in for him because we need more forwards.

good lead, strong mark, good kick for goal- simply, what we desperately need.

In: O'bree Rusling Presti* Buckley
Out: Johnson Sidebottom Reid*

* = if presti isn't fit, Buckley will take his spot.

 

[Invigoration]

Bn Reid has been given plenty of chances to peform on the big stage and continually doesn't get the job done right.

IMHO if he doesn't peform good enough, i think he could be delisted at the end of the season or traded to GC. i want him to stay but i just hope they get him in the perfect position he's good at and does it well.

He is only in to fill in for presti so i dont know if he'll get a spot against the saints.

Rusling should come in for him because we need more forwards.

good lead, strong mark, good kick for goal- simply, what we desperately need.

In: O'bree Rusling Presti* Buckley
Out: Johnson Sidebottom Reid*

* = if presti isn't fit, Buckley will take his spot.

Seriously champ, just don't bother.

 

[Quicky]

Out: Fraser, Johnson
In: Obie, Presti

Leroy can chop Jolly out in the ruck, and the extra responsibility won't hurt Jolly anyway. Needs to fire the **** up this weekend.
We're too top heavy at the moment, especially when Fraser and Brown are playing as woeful as they did. Fraser needs to get some touch back, he was embarrassing on the weekend. MM rants on about how the best team will front up each week, no gifted games, but Fraser continually gets a free pass where others wouldn't. Needs to go back to the VFL and prove he actually deserves a spot, because he is nowhere near it at the moment.

O'Bree walks back in after the annihilation that took place at the clearances. We also need two tall defenders for the Saints, so Reid (who played well) stays in and takes the resting ruck whether it be McEvoy or Stanley. Presti still goes to Riewoldt for mine, Maxwell can chop him out when he drops back toward goal. Keeping him to anything under 4 goals is a win in my opinion.

Jmac and Macaffer are borderline, but get held out by good performances from Sidebottom, Beams and Wellingham.

Need Tooves to go to either Milne or Schneider.

This is about right. One of Jolly, Fraser and Brown needs to be left out for team balance and I think Fraser is the man. O'Bree is an obvious inclusion. Would not be surprised to see Goldsack in at someones expense and see him in a run with role. But thats probably a change too many. I think we are around about best 22 so we need to back the boys to improve this week. It's still early in the year.

 

[Football God]

Seriously champ, just don't bother.

why?

 

[Quicky]

Bn Reid has been given plenty of chances to peform on the big stage and continually doesn't get the job done right.

IMHO if he doesn't peform good enough, i think he could be delisted at the end of the season or traded to GC. i want him to stay but i just hope they get him in the perfect position he's good at and does it well.

He is only in to fill in for presti so i dont know if he'll get a spot against the saints.

Rusling should come in for him because we need more forwards.

good lead, strong mark, good kick for goal- simply, what we desperately need.

In: O'bree Rusling Presti* Buckley
Out: Johnson Sidebottom Reid*

* = if presti isn't fit, Buckley will take his spot.

Yep in all of his first game down back at AFL level. Seriously get some perspective people (this is aimed at all the Reid knockers). He let in one cheap goal early in the game and had the measure of his opponent for the rest. He was good in the air, good on the ground and didn't panic under pressure. I was happy with his first hitout. I think some people already have him marked and others are micro analysing too much. He needs time in the seniors to cement his spot. Against the Saints we need two KPD and he is that player atm. No one else is throwing their hands up and Reid deserves it.

 

[rose jam]

People here have a aseriourly glorified opionion of what Rusling can do. In his brief career he was shown to be a one trick player - lead straight and mark. If he couldn't get that situation he was out of tricks. That won't cut it in today's zoned football. I frankly dismiss him completely as a forward.

 

[The Sqawka]

OMG.. some people here have close to no clue.

People are suggesting drop such players as Thomas, Beams, Ball, Fraser, Cloke, and Anthony,.. If you have mentioned any of these names, you are crazy, uneducated, and ill-informed about our club, its structures and its best 22.

Whats the fascination with dropping people and making changes? It should be a last resort thing. Can someone give me an indepth answer on how dropping players mentioned above after 2 games of football is beneficial to them or the team?

Presti and O'Bree should come in, and out will be johnson through injury and most likely reid.

 

[rose jam]

Here's some names for you;

Adam Pattison
Andrew McQualter
Ben McEvoy
Stevn Baker
Jarryn Geary

That is the Saints bottom 5 players from last week. That is a s**t list of fringe players.
One thing I do know, no matter who is in or out our bottom 5 will be better than that. So who cares who's in or out, a 22 player effort will beat these fools

 

[Frankie23]

Didak has to play deep to have any impact if CJ goes onto him.

Yep I think Didak is most likely to get the tag from Clinton Jones. Even if he goes to Pendles/Swan, whoever gets him has to go to the goal square and play as a deep forward. I would back Swanny or Didak one out any day of the week. We can't afford to have passengers in the middle.

 

[hellfire]

Here's some names for you;

Adam Pattison
Andrew McQualter
Ben McEvoy
Stevn Baker
Jarryn Geary

That is the Saints bottom 5 players from last week. That is a s**t list of fringe players.
One thing I do know, no matter who is in or out our bottom 5 will be better than that. So who cares who's in or out, a 22 player effort will beat these fools

True, our 'bottom 5' is better than the bottom 5 of most sides.

But then, look at their top 6 vs. ours:

Riewoldt, Goddard, Montagna, Dal Santo, Hayes, Fisher.
Swan, Didak, Pendlebury, Shaw, Davis, O'Brien.

I love our guys, but their top end talent is brilliant. Up there with Geelong. And even then, their bottom 5 isn't that bad. McQualter, Baker and Geary go alright IMO.

Anyhow.... I think dropping Fraser might be a good move this week. Was pretty poor on the weekend, and will be beaten comfortably by Gardiner [without remembering past matchups between the two?]. We can't go in too top heavy. Revised changes:

OUT: Johnson, Fraser
IN: Obree, Presti.

I wouldn't mind seeing McCarthy in, would play forward and provide some grunt and pressure. But not sure who I would drop.

 

[Invigoration]

OMG.. some people here have close to no clue.

People are suggesting drop such players as Thomas, Beams, Ball, Fraser, Cloke, and Anthony,.. If you have mentioned any of these names, you are crazy, uneducated, and ill-informed about our club, its structures and its best 22.

Whats the fascination with dropping people and making changes? It should be a last resort thing. Can someone give me an indepth answer on how dropping players mentioned above after 2 games of football is beneficial to them or the team?

Presti and O'Bree should come in, and out will be johnson through injury and most likely reid.

You clearly haven't watched the first two games if you need an in-depth analysis as to why Fraser needs to go.

I'd usually agree with pretty much all of your post, but to imply that we need Fraser for structure or because he is an instant walk up best 22 player is laughable... and ill-informed and uneducated.
We won a good part of ours games like year with Cameron Wood as our number 1 ruck and Brown chopping him out. We now have a significantly better ruckman than we did in the past and Fraser isn't doing enough as his backup. If anything, I'd love to hear any sort of explanation, let alone an in-depth one, as to why it's uneducated to have him out of the side?

We were clearly too top heavy on the weekend and Fraser can't hold down any sort of KP role, so if we are insisting on using Brown (which I believe we should, he can cover a lot more holes than Fraser ever could) as a utility and all-round back up, then Fraser needs to be the one to make way.

How is dropping arguably our best defender on the weekend after 1 game beneficial to him or the team?
Not only will be one true tall defender short this weekend, but it'll mean we are dropping Reid only to have to bring him in next week... which we will most likely have to with Round 4 being against the Hawks.
It doesn't help anyone switching him in and out of the team. The most important thing for Reid and our back six at this stage is some stability.
Reid has clearly put himself ahead of all challengers at this stage for the 2nd key defender role and he deserves a sustained crack at it. It was clearly one of our biggest deficiencies last year and I don't think going with part time patch up jobs is going to benefit anyone come finals. We need games and experience under Reid's belt so when it comes to the sticky end, this time we aren't relying on Leigh Brown to miraculously outplay players to the calibre of Jonathon Brown and Buddy/Roughy, because it just isn't going to happen.

Josh Fraser isn't our VC anymore, he isn't an integral part of the team and he just isn't doing enough. His head needs to roll, just as most others would if they were performing to his standard. I can't understand at all how someone can justify giving Reid the flick and continually giving Fraser a free ride. What sort of precedent are we setting?

 

[Genc the Magpieman]

You clearly haven't watched the first two games if you need an in-depth analysis as to why Fraser needs to go.

I'd usually agree with pretty much all of your post, but to imply that we need Fraser for structure or because he is an instant walk up best 22 player is laughable... and ill-informed and uneducated.
We won a good part of ours games like year with Cameron Wood as our number 1 ruck and Brown chopping him out. We now have a significantly better ruckman than we did in the past and Fraser isn't doing enough as his backup. If anything, I'd love to hear any sort of explanation, let alone an in-depth one, as to why it's uneducated to have him out of the side?

We were clearly too top heavy on the weekend and Fraser can't hold down any sort of KP role, so if we are insisting on using Brown (which I believe we should, he can cover a lot more holes than Fraser ever could) as a utility and all-round back up, then Fraser needs to be the one to make way.

How is dropping arguably our best defender on the weekend after 1 game beneficial to him or the team?
Not only will be one true tall defender short this weekend, but it'll mean we are dropping Reid only to have to bring him in next week... which we will most likely have to with Round 4 being against the Hawks.
It doesn't help anyone switching him in and out of the team. The most important thing for Reid and our back six at this stage is some stability.
Reid has clearly put himself ahead of all challengers at this stage for the 2nd key defender role and he deserves a sustained crack at it. It was clearly one of our biggest deficiencies last year and I don't think going with part time patch up jobs is going to benefit anyone come finals. We need games and experience under Reid's belt so when it comes to the sticky end, this time we aren't relying on Leigh Brown to miraculously outplay players to the calibre of Jonathon Brown and Buddy/Roughy, because it just isn't going to happen.

Josh Fraser isn't our VC anymore, he isn't an integral part of the team and he just isn't doing enough. His head needs to roll, just as most others would if they were performing to his standard. I can't understand at all how someone can justify giving Reid the flick and continually giving Fraser a free ride. What sort of precedent are we setting?

I am sick of posters on here who bag Fraser. Why dont you support the club or go barrack for Richmond.

And you call yourself a supporter.

 

[hellfire]

I am sick of posters on here who bag Fraser. Why dont you support the club or go barrack for Richmond.

And you call yourself a supporter.

Agreed.

Rational discussion has no place in forums. We should mindlessly support each and every aspect of our club. On-field improvement can only come from blind support from the supporter-base. Every player on our list is a superstar, criticism is off limits.

But really, ignoring the imbecile here, Fraser has been very average, Jolly is our number 1 ruckman, we will be too tall against the Saints if we bring in Presti and don't drop a tall. Brown is more versatile, Jolly is better, Fraser it is.