Certified Legendary Thread Chapman, Roo, Fagan all of board must announce they will depart end of year.

[SaltPeter]

Let’s play hypotheticals.

The crows submit a weekly cash flow showing $25,000 going out for a moving bonus for John Worsfold to come over as Football Director

AFL says no. We have Ben Hart who is perfectly adequate.

You’re fine with that obviously.

Did I miss something. Is this happening now, or is this the hypothetical if the club needs to take another loan from the AFL to stay solvent as a result of CoVid?

 

[Scrogdogg]

I must say Rucci has done a good job even though his research may have mostly come from BF.

Anything that points the Finger of fate at the inner club (in addition to BF) is needed. Sheesh never thought I would say that about Rucci !

 

[1970crow]

Let’s play hypotheticals.

The crows submit a weekly cash flow showing $25,000 going out for a moving bonus for John Worsfold to come over as Football Director

AFL says no. We have Ben Hart who is perfectly adequate.

You’re fine with that obviously.

AFL already control total footy dept spend via the spending cap, they won't micro manage to that extent. No different to getting involved in player contracts. Those areas are already controlled. So it's other areas they will be looking at. Do another hypothetical.

 

[Scrogdogg]

This is from the latest News Corp article on the camp:

Sounds like a Trumpism.

I can't believe how ANYONE would want Triggy back in the club. Can't believe it. It all sounds like BS to me.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

AFL already control total footy dept spend via the spending cap, they won't micro manage to that extent. No different to getting involved in player contracts. Those areas are already controlled. So it's other areas they will be looking at. Do another hypothetical.

That cost significantly improves our football department but puts us over the cap to have to pay tax. What then?

 

[SaltPeter]

AFL already control total footy dept spend via the spending cap, they won't micro manage to that extent. No different to getting involved in player contracts. Those areas are already controlled. So it's other areas they will be looking at. Do another hypothetical.

Except the players are technically contracted to the AFL, the AFL hold all of the player contracts. They just don't interfere with what clubs are prepared to pay any given player outside the agreements structured in CBA with the AFLPA, which the AFL fund anyway

 

[BACCS]

Inside the Crows' downfall: The old guard prepares its power play - InDaily

Beyond a refit of the Crows football team, the Adelaide Football Club also has its off-field leadership poised for change. <strong>Michelangelo Rucci</strong> considers the power plays to take charge of South Australia's biggest sporting team, in part three of his four-part series.

indaily.com.au

Steven Trigg, a former Adelaide Football Club chief executive, has been out of AFL football for two years now. In the past month, the former SANFL footballer has been courted to be Rob Chapman’s successor as Crows chairman from October.


I feel sick

That just can’t be true, surely?!

 

[BACCS]

Couldnt say it better myself

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Couldnt say it better myself

I imagine Pembo has a months worth of Crows related “Breaking at 8”’s that his wife won’t let him report on

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Honestly Pembo is chairman worthy but you couldn’t have a husband and wife on the board

 

[BACCS]

Honestly Pembo is chairman worthy but you couldn’t have a husband and wife on the board

He at least calls out the club for their shit!

 

[ad victoriam]

You are very consistant and very predictable.

Always make these super vague claims and when you're challenged to back them up with evidence you can't.

You're asking me to prove a negative. If I search and find nothing you'll just say it's because I didn't look well enough. It's like telling someone to disprove god.

YOU are the one making the claim, it is on YOU to back it up if you want people to believe you. (also before you go 'well I dont need you to believe me' as your inevitable counter argument, if you didn't want people to consider what you had to say you wouldn't have posted it at all).

One could copy and paste your comment and return it to you because I have watched you constantly criticise or dispute a comment and never back it up.
You always ask for the other person for proof,
You have a history in doing this.

 

[ad victoriam]

you've got nothing, admit it. You've been sold a lie by those who don't want the AFL to see the wastage outside of the footy dept. Provide us with these onerous conditions.

FFS, Why don't you actually talk to someone at the Club in the Know I have several times,
There a reason a few of the richer AFL club have refuse the AFL bailout loan, and gone there separate ways,
The Crows have their reasons, at this time, However thing can change, The Crows are hitting up Bendigo bank rather than the AFL's ANZ loan (different interest rates and conditions)
Buy doing so they will not be governed by the AFL on their non-AFL investments, they will not be a force to diverse any business interest not football related if thing go bad by the AFL.
Use your business acumen and work it out, Also remember the Crows have been try to break free of being controlled by the AFL since they acquired there Licence from the SANFL. In 5 years time when we the members can elect more than 2 board members while Port is still paying back the AFL Please remember this comment.
I have mentioned a few reasons.

As far as your mate Vhaluus goes if he wants to find out anymore then he needs to find out himself. this is not my story to tell.

 

[ad victoriam]

Thats rubbish. All we have done is gone outside the AFL for a loan.

Why is that rubbish I mention the Crows refuse the AFL bailout money as they went there own way.
Which is what they are doing.

 

[ad victoriam]

what does the afl expect clubs to do?

I believe they want all clubs accepting there money to open the books and in some case being forced to diverse assets and staff,
It almost a 2nd Soft Cap only this time involving the non-football side of the Clubs, By being in a position to refuse the AFL money the Crows can make there own calls and not have to ask for permission.
There more to that that but I am not the person to even attempt to explain it.

 

[1970crow]

That cost significantly improves our football department but puts us over the cap to have to pay tax. What then?

We don't even spend the full cap, how about a realistic hypothetical.

 

[GreyCrow]

Why is that rubbish I mention the Crows refuse the AFL bailout money as they went there own way.
Which is what they are doing.

You said because we were in a good place financially .

If we were we wouldn't be getting an outside loan and we wouldn't need the bail out option

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

We don't even spend the full cap, how about a realistic hypothetical.

We want to sack Burton. AFL say we can’t afford the payout.

Does that qualify or gonna weasel out of that as well?

 

[ad victoriam]

You said because we were in a good place financially .

If we were we wouldn't be getting an outside loan and we wouldn't need the bail out option

Yes I did and I stand by that, otherwise, how do you get a loan from Bendigo Bank without being Financially stable,
The AFL bailout money is a loan from ANZ to the Clubs and is backed By the AFL.

 

[1970crow]

FFS, Why don't you actually talk to someone at the Club in the Know I have several times,
There a reason a few of the richer AFL club have refuse the AFL bailout loan, and gone there separate ways,
The Crows have their reasons, at this time, However thing can change, The Crows are hitting up Bendigo bank rather than the AFL's ANZ loan (different interest rates and conditions)
Buy doing so they will not be governed by the AFL on their non-AFL investments, they will not be a force to diverse any business interest not football related if thing go bad by the AFL.
Use your business acumen and work it out, Also remember the Crows have been try to break free of being controlled by the AFL since they acquired there Licence from the SANFL. In 5 years time when we the members can elect more than 2 board members while Port is still paying back the AFL Please remember this comment.
I have mentioned a few reasons.

As far as your mate Vhaluus goes if he wants to find out anymore then he needs to find out himself. this is not my story to tell.

If the non-AFL investments were providing cash flow to service the loan, why would the AFL force us to divest? Use your business acumen, they're sucking cash from the business and the board is too incompetent to cut their losses. No doubt Fagan has sold them the, "it'll be turning a profit soon" lie. That's why we're the only borrowers that went with a bank instead of the AFL facility. Our assets are loss making and they didn't want the AFL sticking their nose in, it's very simple.

 

[1970crow]

I believe they want all clubs accepting there money to open the books and in some case being forced to diverse assets and staff,
It almost a 2nd Soft Cap only this time involving the non-football side of the Clubs, By being in a position to refuse the AFL money the Crows can make there own calls and not have to ask for permission.
There more to that that but I am not the person to even attempt to explain it.

I have no doubt. They're protecting their loss making activities and extra $ that running those businesses afford the senior managers.

 

[ad victoriam]

If the non-AFL investments were providing cash flow to service the loan, why would the AFL force us to divest? Use your business acumen, they're sucking cash from the business and the board is too incompetent to cut their losses. No doubt Fagan has sold them the, "it'll be turning a profit soon" lie. That's why we're the only borrowers that went with a bank instead of the AFL facility. Our assets are loss making and they didn't want the AFL sticking their nose in, it's very simple.

If we receive help from the AFL it comes at a cost, they start making decisions on how the Club operates, do you want that.

 

[ad victoriam]

I have no doubt. They're protecting their loss making activities and extra $ that running those businesses afford the senior managers.

Then how did they obtain a loan from Bendigo bank, Banks just don't hand out Business loans without some positive finically history and collateral.

 

[GreyCrow]

Yes I did and I stand by that, otherwise, how do you get a loan from Bendigo Bank without being Financially stable,
The AFL bailout money is a loan from ANZ to the Clubs and is backed By the AFL.

If we are financially stable - why do we need any loan?

 

[Murray2503]

If we receive help from the AFL it comes at a cost, they start making decisions on how the Club operates, do you want that.

Yes i do. I want our current SLT and board out now. I will take the AFL over our current clowns any day of the week. The AFL taking over is likely the only way to get Riccuito out for good.