MRP / Trib. Charlie Cameron gets a week for dumping tackle on Lever - Tribunal = down to a fine.

[M Malice]

Didn't even change the impact verdict down to low and still got him off.
Murphy retired from football today as a result of concussion and tonight the tribunal does this.

More rule changes at years end coming no doubt.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/te...s/news-story/d8bbc3c456ec95797341e75fca889257

The Lions pled guilty but attempted to lower the impact grading from medium to low (which would mean a fine), and if that failed, attempted to reduce the sanction due to Cameron’s “exemplary record and character”.

The Tribunal found the incident itself would have been graded medium, but was borderline enough that they were happy to use their discretion to downgrade it to low impact, resulting in a fine.

 

[Sentinel]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/te...s/news-story/d8bbc3c456ec95797341e75fca889257

The Lions pled guilty but attempted to lower the impact grading from medium to low (which would mean a fine), and if that failed, attempted to reduce the sanction due to Cameron’s “exemplary record and character”.

The Tribunal found the incident itself would have been graded medium, but was borderline enough that they were happy to use their discretion to downgrade it to low impact, resulting in a fine.

"The Tribunal found the incident itself would have been graded medium" so they should have stopped exactly there and graded at is they saw it, without considering the other irrelevant information submitted - unless they are changing the rules for everyone moving forward. Joke of a ruling.

 

[SuperMal]

Holy heck …Secret Tackling Business?

 

[Sentinel]

From the tribunal's reasoning:
"Cameron has played for 10 years without being suspended - 207 games suspension-free puts him in a very small minority.

Only 668 players of the 13,125 who have played the game at the elite level have played 200 games. Almost half of those have been suspended for one match or more."

So in other words, more than half of 200+ game players have never been suspended, and Charlie Cameron

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Charlie Cameron

Age

30

Ht

180cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.5

5star

D

9.6

2star

K

7.9

3star

HB

1.7

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.7

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

9.6

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

3.4

5star

G

1.2

4star

is in that majority, yet somehow he's in a minority and thus we let him off?

 

[Section 5]

The AFL Tribunal found that this was 'medium' impact, but downgraded the sanction from a one-match ban to a fine based on exceptional and compelling circumstances.

Here are the full reasons on that:

We turn now to exceptional and compelling circumstances.

We find that those circumstances do exist here.

Cameron has played for 10 years without being suspended - 207 games suspension-free puts him in a very small minority.

Only 668 players of the 13,125 who have played the game at the elite level have played 200 games.

Almost half of those have been suspended for one match or more.

Cameron is clearly in the unusual category in this regard.

This alone would not be enough in our view to result in us necessarily describing it as an exemplary record or, if it was, to exercise our discretion to downgrade.

We note in this matter Cameron has suffered five fines in his history, including three for rough conduct, the charge he faces tonight.
It is however the case that he has not been suspended for 207 games.

The matters that cause us to downgrade this sanction from a one-week suspension to a fine commensurate with a low impact grading are as follows.

1) While this was careless, it was at the lower range of careless.

Cameron knew Lever had one arm free. He is much smaller and lighter than Lever and, as he said, lost control of a tackle.
If he didn't rotate 95-plus kilograms of Jake Lever

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Jake Lever

Age

28

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.6

4star

K

9.7

4star

HB

4.9

4star

M

5.4

5star

T

1.3

3star

MG

242.0

4star

D

9.6

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

3.1

2star

M

3.9

4star

T

1.3

2star

MG

145.4

3star

D

16.0

4star

K

11.0

4star

HB

5.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

189.8

4star

, he would’ve landed squarely on his 74-kilogramme frame.

It was careless but not grossly careless.
We take into account Cameron's guilty plea, his acceptance that he could and should have released Lever’s arm.

2) While this was medium impact for the reasons we stated, Lever suffered no injury or apparent discomfort.
The difference between this case and the three examples that were graded low impact was real but not significant.

3) The references from Eddie Betts and Gregory Egert provide impressive details of the work Cameron does in the Indigenous community.

He is a role model with an impressive AFL career, it is something for those he connects with aspire to.

These matters are not irrelevant when we come to exercise our discretion in respect of a first suspendable offence when no injury was suffered and was neither intentional or grossly negligent.

Exceptional and compelling means what it says.

It will be a rare case when all of the circumstances combine to result in an exercise of discretion to downgrade a sanction.

This is such a case.

We determine in our discretion the appropriate sanction is the fine that would be imposed on Cameron if this was graded as low impact.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

“These matters are not irrelevant when we come to exercise our discretion in respect of a first suspendable offence when no injury was suffered”

So if the player doesn’t get injured it’s ok?
The above statement is just mind blowing.
Surely it’s the action that needs to suspended.
Some players will get concussed from it some won’t. Everyone is different and built different.
Why the hell are we “waiting FOR players to get concussed”?
Suspend the action for **** sake.

 

[kreglze]

The AFL Tribunal found that this was 'medium' impact, but downgraded the sanction from a one-match ban to a fine based on exceptional and compelling circumstances.

Here are the full reasons on that:

We turn now to exceptional and compelling circumstances.

We find that those circumstances do exist here.

Cameron has played for 10 years without being suspended - 207 games suspension-free puts him in a very small minority.

Only 668 players of the 13,125 who have played the game at the elite level have played 200 games.

Almost half of those have been suspended for one match or more.

Cameron is clearly in the unusual category in this regard.

This alone would not be enough in our view to result in us necessarily describing it as an exemplary record or, if it was, to exercise our discretion to downgrade.

We note in this matter Cameron has suffered five fines in his history, including three for rough conduct, the charge he faces tonight.
It is however the case that he has not been suspended for 207 games.

The matters that cause us to downgrade this sanction from a one-week suspension to a fine commensurate with a low impact grading are as follows.

1) While this was careless, it was at the lower range of careless.

Cameron knew Lever had one arm free. He is much smaller and lighter than Lever and, as he said, lost control of a tackle.
If he didn't rotate 95-plus kilograms of Jake Lever, he would’ve landed squarely on his 74-kilogramme frame.

It was careless but not grossly careless.
We take into account Cameron's guilty plea, his acceptance that he could and should have released Lever’s arm.

2) While this was medium impact for the reasons we stated, Lever suffered no injury or apparent discomfort.
The difference between this case and the three examples that were graded low impact was real but not significant.

3) The references from Eddie Betts and Gregory Egert provide impressive details of the work Cameron does in the Indigenous community.

He is a role model with an impressive AFL career, it is something for those he connects with aspire to.

These matters are not irrelevant when we come to exercise our discretion in respect of a first suspendable offence when no injury was suffered and was neither intentional or grossly negligent.

Exceptional and compelling means what it says.

It will be a rare case when all of the circumstances combine to result in an exercise of discretion to downgrade a sanction.

This is such a case.

We determine in our discretion the appropriate sanction is the fine that would be imposed on Cameron if this was graded as low impact.

Good thing for his next report that he remains suspension free after tonight then.

 

[Vintage]

What a joke the tribunal is. That is just truly unbelievable.

“Oh, he’s a good bloke so he can get away with a bit more.”

Next week “we found him guilty - on the basis of his rough upbringing, has only played 32 games, rude haircut - and have you seen the tats?? - we have elected to increase the suspension from 1 to 2 weeks. The tribunal feels that we need to send a clear message to parts of the playing group that the head is sacrosanct, as is good-blokiness.”

 

[Demon in Hell]

Time for Laura Kane to show some balls.

 

[Hollow Knight]

They got him off because Lever played for it. They just can’t say that on the record.

Prove me wrong.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

1 week you'd cop to dump tackle Lever.

0 weeks is hilarious.

 

[Elixuh]

I'm going to sing Country Roads extra loud in the stands on Saturday night

 

[Hollow Knight]

I'm going to sing Country Roads extra loud in the stands on Saturday night

Yep, for every person who whinges in this thread I am going to sing one extra decibel louder.

Disappointing how many people here just hate football and joy.

 

[Vivy]

They got him off because Lever played for it. They just can’t say that on the record.

Prove me wrong.

You're proven wrong because they maintained the medium rating.

That was easy.

 

[Gavin Excell]

“These matters are not irrelevant when we come to exercise our discretion in respect of a first suspendable offence when no injury was suffered”

So if the player doesn’t get injured it’s ok?
The above statement is just mind blowing.
Surely it’s the action that needs to suspended.
Some players will get concussed from it some won’t. Everyone is different and built different.
Why the hell are we “waiting FOR players to get concussed”?
Suspend the action for * sake.

I.think they wanted him off and invented the rationale like they did Maynard

 

[Hollow Knight]

You're proven wrong because they maintained the medium rating.

That was easy.

Nah.

 

[Elixuh]

Yep, for every person who whinges in this thread I am going to sing one extra decibel louder.

Disappointing how many people here just hate football and joy.

Genuinely one of my favourite moments at the Gabba, that sequence.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Genuinely one of my favourite moments at the Gabba, that sequence.

I literally saw Port players stop and look up at the crowd then drop their head after the second singing. They knew they’d lost their control of the game and the crowd.

 

[Vivy]

Nah.

Ol mate was ready with all the responses, got hit with only 1 fact and has aborted mission. Unfortunate.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Ol mate was ready with all the responses, got hit with only 1 fact and has aborted mission. Unfortunate.

It was a fact but not a relevant one. They also noted that Lever was entirely uninjured and didn’t reject the Lions’ argument that Lever contributed to the impact.

But maintain the rage bro. I’m still angry about Joel Selwood punching Andrew Raines behind play, then copping one back. Raines got three weeks and Selwood got nada.

Agendas abound.

 

[Vivy]

It was a fact but not a relevant one. They also noted that Lever was entirely uninjured and didn’t reject the Lions’ argument that Lever contributed to the impact
But maintain the rage bro. I’m still angry about Joel Selwood punching Andrew Raines behind play, then copping one back. Raines got three weeks and Selwood got nada.

Agendas abound.

And now you've moved away from your original argument. Took one post. And still can't dispute the itty bitty one fact. Unfortunate.

 

[Pacman82]

If John Ralph had his way we'd be playing touch football, he's gone after Greene as well.

 

[Miluxx]

Genuinely one of my favourite moments at the Gabba, that sequence.

A moment I'll never forget. Got to share it with my son who is a massive Charlie fan.

 

[Hollow Knight]

And now you've moved away from your original argument. Took one post. And still can't dispute the itty bitty one fact. Unfortunate.

My original argument was actually a pretty obvious shitpostusing the “prove me wrong” meme that you decided to respond to with a complete lack of humour, so I’m just playing along at this point.

 

[Elixuh]

Ol mate was ready with all the responses, got hit with only 1 fact and has aborted mission. Unfortunate.

Will you mute the TV at home on Saturday night every time King Charles kicks a goal and Country Roads rolls?

Vroom vroom