Certified Legendary Thread China History in the Making

[RussellEbertHandball]

This bit from the Australian article is interesting.

Separately, the AFL will on Thursday launch a Chinese-language Auskick program in the Sydney suburb of Hurstville, where officials hope to have 50 children, split equally between males and females, playing the sport straight away.

 

[Alberton Proud]

This bit from the Australian article is interesting.

Separately, the AFL will on Thursday launch a Chinese-language Auskick program in the Sydney suburb of Hurstville, where officials hope to have 50 children, split equally between males and females, playing the sport straight away.

This was also mentioned in Rooch's article today

 

[OneGreatClub]

This bit from the Australian article is interesting.

Separately, the AFL will on Thursday launch a Chinese-language Auskick program in the Sydney suburb of Hurstville, where officials hope to have 50 children, split equally between males and females, playing the sport straight away.

This was also mentioned in Rooch's article today

I also posted that info this morning.

The least the AFL can do then is let us have any Chinese players as part of our Academy and catchment zone.
Just kidding.
But I wonder how much Port’s ( and SA’s)influence will be diluted as the years go by and the AFL and Victorian government take over.

Anyway the naysayers (Fages etc and certain Vic commentators) and those who ridiculed our club for even attempting China (that low life subaru for example) should stfu.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I also posted that info this morning.

The least then AFL can do then let us any Chinese as part of our Academy.
Just kidding.
But I wonder how much Port’s ( and SA’s)influence will be diluted as the years go by and the AFL and Victorian government take over.

China is big enough for plenty of clubs. Its Shanghai that we have to lock down.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Last week on page 379 I asked about this Australian Chamber of Commerce Shanghai ad in January for a General Manager and Business Development Manager AFL China.

http://www.austchamshanghai.com/en/...er-and-business-development-manager-afl-china

The Age a few hours ago had a story on the Shanghai AFL office and said.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-to-open-office-in-china-20190520-p51pbl.html
.... Less than a fortnight away from the third annual game in China for premiership points, the AFL's general manager of China, David Stevenson, revealed to The Age that the AFL Commission had given the green light for the league to appoint two permanent employees to run the game on the ground in Shanghai, co-located with the Australian Chamber of Commerce. While he wouldn't disclose the identities of the two staff, Stevenson said they would both be well credentialled. "Two full-time people, local Chinese," former Western Bulldogs chief and Nike executive Stevenson said.

"In the next week or two, that will open. We've hired the GM, and we're close to finalising the recruitment of the business development manager. But that sends a strong message about our commitment to China and our long-term perspective. "Their priorities, those two roles, will be how do we drive commercial partnerships, how do we drive broadcast partnerships, how do we drive government partnerships? So that's encouraging, and they'll play a critical role."

The AFL already funds offices in New Zealand, the United States, Europe and South Africa, but believes its China move is particularly significant. "We've spent a lot of last year working on our China strategy, and had good conversations with the commission, and got their support. So it was really the end of last year that we got approval from the commission to move forward with the China office."......
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-to-open-office-in-china-20190520-p51pbl.html

 

[Lockhart Road]

Last week on page 379 I asked about this Australian Chamber of Commerce Shanghai ad in January for a General Manager and Business Development Manager AFL China.

http://www.austchamshanghai.com/en/...er-and-business-development-manager-afl-china

The Age a few hours ago had a story on the Shanghai AFL office and said.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-to-open-office-in-china-20190520-p51pbl.html
.... Less than a fortnight away from the third annual game in China for premiership points, the AFL's general manager of China, David Stevenson, revealed to The Age that the AFL Commission had given the green light for the league to appoint two permanent employees to run the game on the ground in Shanghai, co-located with the Australian Chamber of Commerce. While he wouldn't disclose the identities of the two staff, Stevenson said they would both be well credentialled. "Two full-time people, local Chinese," former Western Bulldogs chief and Nike executive Stevenson said.

"In the next week or two, that will open. We've hired the GM, and we're close to finalising the recruitment of the business development manager. But that sends a strong message about our commitment to China and our long-term perspective. "Their priorities, those two roles, will be how do we drive commercial partnerships, how do we drive broadcast partnerships, how do we drive government partnerships? So that's encouraging, and they'll play a critical role."

The AFL already funds offices in New Zealand, the United States, Europe and South Africa, but believes its China move is particularly significant. "We've spent a lot of last year working on our China strategy, and had good conversations with the commission, and got their support. So it was really the end of last year that we got approval from the commission to move forward with the China office."......
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-to-open-office-in-china-20190520-p51pbl.html

That’s it then. The AFL have taken over. Terrific li’l ole blue-collar club (lack of) effort, Koch ... you, too, KT. Bums.

 

[FPPF]

Good, now maybe Port Adelaide can focus on football and not China adventures.

 

[Duck Farmer]

That’s it then. The AFL have taken over. Terrific li’l ole blue-collar club (lack of) effort, Koch ... you, too, KT. Bums.

Was always going to happen. It’s the AFL’s job to run and grow the comp, not the job of a single club. If we thought we’d have a monopoly on it once we validated the proof-of-concept then we were naïve.


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[Lockhart Road]

Was always going to happen. It’s the AFL’s job to run and grow the comp, not the job of a single club. If we thought we’d have a monopoly on it once we validated the proof-of-concept then we were naïve.


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I certainly wasn’t naive about staying ahead of the AFL until we had our future secure ... not after half a century up here. What I was naive about was believing, just for a fleeting moment some time long ago, that those leading our club off-field had an ounce of nous between them.

Edit: Then of course we have the brilliant majority stuffed full of hindsight who post stuff like you just did.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

The mention of AFLW in China and St Kilda having an AFLW team and Port not us concerning in terms of St Kilda muscling in on our territory.

If we have St Kilda successfully playing 2-3 home games in China (between the AFL, AFLW and AFLX) and Port one (or technically none) it wont be long before we are pushed out.

Though it is good to see us having a full time staff member on the ground in China, surely you approve of that move Lockhart?

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[Lockhart Road]

The mention of AFLW in China and St Kilda having an AFLW team and Port not us concerning in terms of St Kilda muscling in on our territory.

If we have St Kilda successfully playing 2-3 home games in China (between the AFL, AFLW and AFLX) and Port one (or technically none) it wont be long before we are pushed out.

Though it is good to see us having a full time staff member on the ground in China, surely you approve of that move Lockhart?

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‘Full time (PAFC) staff member on the ground in China’?

At present this has only been mentioned in passing, by nobody in authority at Alberton.

I’ll believe it when I see it for myself.

We have set ourselves up for highly questionable future security in China.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Rooch's 2nd article

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/spor...s/news-story/a3796dd8f3c710827ef9bb717aa6a371
“ ‘Why China?’ we’re asked,” Stevenson said.

“Three reasons. The most obvious is about driving revenue, so we can invest that money here in Australia in AFLW, Auskick and the grassroots of Australian football.

“But we do need to extend beyond Australia; we must grow and expand offshore, just as every other indigenous sport has done. The NFL (American football) is playing in London and Mexico.

“And there is the challenge of connecting with 1.2 million Chinese - either by birth or descent - here in Australia.”

To this point, the AFL this week will run the first all-Chinese Auskick clinic for 50 schoolkids in Sydney. All the promotional material will be in Mandarin. In Port Adelaide looking at China, the AFL has looked at multi-cultural Australia ... and noted a reason to work harder in a market that is a heartland for other sports, such as soccer.

Australia ranks No. 1 for multicultural backgrounds. The count is 52 per cent of Australian residents were born overseas or have at least one parent born overseas. In Melbourne the figure is 65 per cent; Sydney, 67 per cent. Canada is No. 2 on the world’s multi-cultural counter (36 per cent).
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/spor...s/news-story/a3796dd8f3c710827ef9bb717aa6a371

 

[FPPF]

Port should have pushed the AFL to diversify in Asia, not just keep going to China. Go to Japan and other places where AFL Asia is played. The AFL played a game in Japan in 1986 apparently. Why haven't they returned? The Japanese already have their own Aussie rules league.
And then, if China is so important, Port could have worked to tie that down, or tie down the Shanghai aspect as REH says.
That way the focus of the AFL and others rubbing their hands together for a slice wouldn't have been on China solely but on other potential markets and leaving a bigger slice of China for Port.

 

[Duck Farmer]

I certainly wasn’t naive about staying ahead of the AFL until we had our future secure ... not after half a century up here. What I was naive about was believing, just for a fleeting moment some time long ago, that those leading our club off-field had an ounce of nous between them.

Edit: Then of course we have the brilliant majority stuffed full of hindsight who post stuff like you just did.

Not having a crack at you mate. It’s just that we’ve seen this play out before with things like Friday Night Football.


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[Ishikawa]

Port should have pushed the AFL to diversify in Asia, not just keep going to China. Go to Japan and other places where AFL Asia is played. The AFL played a game in Japan in 1986 apparently. Why haven't they returned? The Japanese already have their own Aussie rules league.
And then, if China is so important, Port could have worked to tie that down, or tie down the Shanghai aspect as REH says.
That way the focus of the AFL and others rubbing their hands together for a slice wouldn't have been on China solely but on other potential markets and leaving a bigger slice of China for Port.

You haven't thought that through at all. What competitive advantage do we have in Japan or other Asian countries that you'd have us throw a fistful of darts at and spend our infinite resources indiscriminately? With China in theory we have a genuine selling proposition as a conduit to Chinese businesses looking for a foot into Australia and vice versa, access to key decision makers putting ourselves in a position to leverage the big picture trends of high interest of Chinese businesses not just specifically in Australia, but also South Australia. The case to focus and pursue was sound and still may prove to be a successful one in time.

No doubt there has been errors in our approach, but if you haven't noticed there's been a lot of political effects beyond our control too. I think the results have been lukewarm, but certainly not a failure or a completely wasted endeavour. What significant change does having the AFL involved there too have? If anything it should strengthen our position - we're still going to be at the forefront, really at the moment it is only us and St Kilda as clubs who have really embraced the concept and committed to resourcing endeavours in the country. Other clubs do not yet have either the interest or the resources.

 

[FPPF]

You haven't thought that through at all. What competitive advantage do we have in Japan or other Asian countries that you'd have us throw a fistful of darts at and spend our infinite resources indiscriminately? With China in theory we have a genuine selling proposition as a conduit to Chinese businesses looking for a foot into Australia and vice versa, access to key decision makers putting ourselves in a position to leverage the big picture trends of high interest of Chinese businesses not just specifically in Australia, but also South Australia. The case to focus and pursue was sound and still may prove to be a successful one in time.

No doubt there has been errors in our approach, but if you haven't noticed there's been a lot of political effects beyond our control too. I think the results have been lukewarm, but certainly not a failure or a completely wasted endeavour. What significant change does having the AFL involved there too have? If anything it should strengthen our position - we're still going to be at the forefront, really at the moment it is only us and St Kilda as clubs who have really embraced the concept and committed to resourcing endeavours in the country. Other clubs do not yet have either the interest or the resources.

I was actually suggesting the AFL in general do Japan and other viable places in Asia as a means to keep their greedy hands off what Port has established with China. But since you ask.

We have the whole techport based in the same council district as our club. They were very interested in winning the submarine contract, so obviously they are interested in closer co-operation with Australia. We have the major ship building infrastructure, and now a space agency here in Adelaide. They've had a space agency for a long time. Japan is one of our allies that we will be co-operating with with the space industry. If partnering with Japanese businesses and industry will bring in more sponsorship revenue, why not?

Why did we partner with DCNS/NAVAL Group?
Why are we bothering with China? Why is China bothering with us?

Apply the same to Japan. There's already co-operation and links with Japan, so we, or the AFL, would simply be building on that. Whereas did any of the same level of ties exist with China, or did we start from the ground up?

In case you didn't know there's already an Aussie rules league in Japan. There's even an AFL Japan academy. Looking at that site, it seems GWS may have beaten us to it. Such a shame, because we have a lot more going for Australia(SA)-Japan co-operation then we do with China. The defence and space sectors will bring in billions economically, and that would translate to a lot more sponsorship money for a longer sustained period.
https://jafl.org/

There's even the Senshu Powers

And the Komazawa Magpies whose black and white jumper looks like a variant of our original AFL jumper.

 

[Ishikawa]

I was actually suggesting the AFL in general do Japan and other viable places in Asia as a means to keep their greedy hands off what Port has established with China. But since you ask.

We have the whole techport based in the same council district as our club. They were very interested in winning the submarine contract, so obviously they are interested in closer co-operation with Australia. We have the major ship building infrastructure, and now a space agency here in Adelaide. They've had a space agency for a long time. Japan is one of our allies that we will be co-operating with with the space industry. If partnering with Japanese businesses and industry will bring in more sponsorship revenue, why not?

Why did we partner with DCNS/NAVAL Group?
Why are we bothering with China? Why is China bothering with us?

Apply the same to Japan. There's already co-operation and links with Japan, so we, or the AFL, would simply be building on that. Whereas did any of the same level of ties exist with China, or did we start from the ground up?

In case you didn't know there's already an Aussie rules league in Japan. There's even an AFL Japan academy. Looking at that site, it seems GWS may have beaten us to it. Such a shame, because we have a lot more going for Australia(SA)-Japan co-operation then we do with China. The defence and space sectors will bring in billions economically, and that would translate to a lot more sponsorship money for a longer sustained period.
https://jafl.org/

There's even the Senshu Powers

And the Komazawa Magpies whose black and white jumper looks like a variant of our original AFL jumper.

Oh I love Japan, work for a Japanese company and have visited a number of occasions.

Working against it:
Ageing population, in general a stagnant / declining economy (although latest figures showed some lukewarm growth), literally zero opportunity to develop playing fields (unless AFLX or the like), not arguing that the Australian/Japan business links aren't significant but it's a far less complex & controversial and much more established relationship not requiring an intermediary like Port.

 

[FPPF]

Oh I love Japan, work for a Japanese company and have visited a number of occasions.

Working against it:
Ageing population, in general a stagnant / declining economy (although latest figures showed some lukewarm growth), literally zero opportunity to develop playing fields (unless AFLX or the like), not arguing that the Australian/Japan business links aren't significant but it's a far less complex & controversial and much more established relationship not requiring an intermediary like Port.

Of course that already established relationship can also be a positive.

There's plenty of stadiums that with a bit of work like we've seen in China, could accommodate AFL. One of our smallest fields in the AFL is Kardinia Park (36,000) at 170m x 115m.
From Google Earth..Nissan Stadium 75,000, 193m x 121m
Ajinomoto Satdium 49,000 cap, 189m x 123m
Kobe Universaide Memorial Stadium 35,000, 185m x 123m
Yanmar Stadium 47,000, 184m x 121m
Showa Denk Dome 40,000 185m x 131m
Ediun Stadium Hiroshima 50,000, 188m x 133m

I'm sure there's even more obscure stadiums like the one we use in China that can be fixed up for the odd AFL match.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Of course that already established relationship can also be a positive.

There's plenty of stadiums that with a bit of work like we've seen in China, could accommodate AFL. One of our smallest fields in the AFL is Kardinia Park (36,000) at 170m x 115m.
From Google Earth..Nissan Stadium 75,000, 193m x 121m
Ajinomoto Satdium 49,000 cap, 189m x 123m
Kobe Universaide Memorial Stadium 35,000, 185m x 123m
Yanmar Stadium 47,000, 184m x 121m
Showa Denk Dome 40,000 185m x 131m
Ediun Stadium Hiroshima 50,000, 188m x 133m

I'm sure there's even more obscure stadiums like the one we use in China that can be fixed up for the odd AFL match.

Where is the Japanese equivalent of Mr Gui? There hasn't been any shortage of opportunities for one.

Think of all the Japanese companies who have been major sponsors of AFL clubs, and the AFL's naming rights sponsor for the best part of the last 20 years has been a Japanese company.

 

[FPPF]

Where is the Japanese equivalent of Mr Gui? There hasn't been any shortage of opportunities for one.

Think of all the Japanese companies who have been major sponsors of AFL clubs, and the AFL's naming rights sponsor for the best part of the last 20 years has been a Japanese company.

Yeh, and they've sponsored the Crows for how long now too. And Lexus sponsored Collingwood. And?

With Japan, we have the potential space and defence sector co-operation, and the potential for advanced tech Japanese companies to invest in Adelaide given how our state is trying to reposition it self from the end of old school manufacturing coming to an end. The AFL is already invlolved with Japan, much of the leg work we wouldn't need to do, but we could sure take advantage of the already existing links and potential with regards to the space and defence sectors. Plenty of opportunities.

Why did Frances DCNS/NAVAL Group sponsor the club and have its logo on the magpies jumper?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Yeh, and they've sponsored the Crows for how long now too. And Lexus sponsored Collingwood. And?

With Japan, we have the potential space and defence sector co-operation, and the potential for advanced tech Japanese companies to invest in Adelaide given how our state is trying to reposition it self from the end of old school manufacturing coming to an end. The AFL is already invlolved with Japan, much of the leg work we wouldn't need to do, but we could sure take advantage of the already existing links and potential with regards to the space and defence sectors. Plenty of opportunities.

Why did Frances DCNS/NAVAL Group sponsor the club and have its logo on the magpies jumper?

The Chinese sports market is small and immature. Japan isn't. Its an unpolluted space. Japan isn't.

Sure you can argue all you want about the AFL taking the game there, but for Port Adelaide the opportunities are very small in Japan compared to China.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Why did Frances DCNS/NAVAL Group sponsor the club and have its logo on the magpies jumper?

Because they are going to set up in our back yard for 50 years a massive operation and they know they need kids to take STEM subjects over that time, to get a skilled work force, so why not work with the local club to run those school programs?

Which Japanese firm will establish a similar set up in Port's heartland like the Naval Group?

 

[snozulu]

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-05-22/afls-big-risk-in-china-starting-to-pay-off-gill

THE AFL has taken a gamble by going into China.


"It's also a logistical and financial commitment that says we see opportunities partnering with Chinese companies who want to do business with Australia, and we want to have commercial and trade relationships.


"This is our third year and it's been going well."

"It takes time to build relationships but if you take a medium-term view, as I said, three-to-five years, then there are proper targets, because we believe in our game and we believe in the opportunities with Chinese business."

We expected this was always going to happen with the AFL taking over and credit for it.

 

[Duck Farmer]

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-05-22/afls-big-risk-in-china-starting-to-pay-off-gill

THE AFL has taken a gamble by going into China.


"It's also a logistical and financial commitment that says we see opportunities partnering with Chinese companies who want to do business with Australia, and we want to have commercial and trade relationships.


"This is our third year and it's been going well."

"It takes time to build relationships but if you take a medium-term view, as I said, three-to-five years, then there are proper targets, because we believe in our game and we believe in the opportunities with Chinese business."

We expected this was always going to happen with the AFL taking over and credit for it.

Lol at this:

McLachlan understands the enormity of the task the AFL has undertaken, but he's optimistic.

"We've taken a big risk up there and we feel it's starting to pay off," he said.

Yeah, right. Soon they’ll be saying they’ve gifted us this opportunity.

If it starts being a big money spinner watch the AFL “share the opportunity” amongst the big Vic clubs and it being retconned to be Kevin Sheedy’s idea all along.

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[chiwigi]

Of course that already established relationship can also be a positive.

There's plenty of stadiums that with a bit of work like we've seen in China, could accommodate AFL. One of our smallest fields in the AFL is Kardinia Park (36,000) at 170m x 115m.
From Google Earth..Nissan Stadium 75,000, 193m x 121m
Ajinomoto Satdium 49,000 cap, 189m x 123m
Kobe Universaide Memorial Stadium 35,000, 185m x 123m
Yanmar Stadium 47,000, 184m x 121m
Showa Denk Dome 40,000 185m x 131m
Ediun Stadium Hiroshima 50,000, 188m x 133m

I'm sure there's even more obscure stadiums like the one we use in China that can be fixed up for the odd AFL match.

Japan are already baseball, soccer and sumo obsessed, and despite being a top rugby nation the Sunwolves didn't work out.

China works because they are more open to new ports as only soccer has really permeated (though basketball is getting there).