Opinion Chris Scott's coaching - Part II [NEW POLL ADDED]

[GTOA]

Yes he does.

Yes I am. I have been modded many times.

 

[Stan The Caddy]

Yeah, some people must do a lot of reporting. When I do that, I get called 'petty'.

Maybe you are buddy...

 

[GTOA]

Is anyone here still preferring Ken Hinkley as coach? LOL!

 

[GTOA]

Maybe you are buddy...

He's so petty, he tours with "The Heartbreakers".

 

[David the Cat]

Lets move on to matters of football...other issues have been dealt with.

 

[Ray Donovan]

Why would bring Bomber back?

1) He took eight years, EIGHT YEARS (a then record between being appointed as coach to winning a flag), and is lucky to have kept his job. He only did because Frank Costa endorsed him, the same Frank Costa Bomber then lied to when asked if Essendon had contacted him in 2010.

It took Chris Scott one year to win a flag with the same team.

2) Once we won flags, he didn't bring new players through, and kept picking the premiership heroes. Scott has brought through Cockatoo, Duncan, Guthrie, Motlop, Lang, Thurlow, Blicavs and many other youngsters.

3) Bomber is untrustworthy- He is a liar, who told the club that Essendon hadn't contacted him, when they had, and he had accepted their offer. Furthermore, he used a club-issued mobile phone, which the club paid the bills for, to contact Essendon with.

4) Bomber is a hypocrite- He spends most of 2010 chewing out Gary Ablett for "disloyalty" and not soon after, displays it himself when he leaves, mid-contract, to go to Essendon.

5) Bomber doesn't honor contracts. He leaves with a year left. If he saw out his contract, and then went to Essendon, good luck to him. Once he is out of contract, he can do what he wants. But he had an obligation.

You people don't like Chris Scott. Well, blame Bomber then. Because if he didn't leave his contract, Scott may not have been appointed. Chris Scott may have not been available a year later, or someone to your liking may have been available. Bomber left the door open for Scott to come in.

6) Look at the shitstorm at Essendon, and his involvement in it. Do we want someone like that at our club, who allows things that many of you here have condemned Essendon for? If you bag Essendon for the supplements saga, then include Bomber for his inaction to it.

7) He lacks "commitment"- He can't stick to a contract to the end, and runs off to another club, just like he can't stick to a marriage, and runs off with another woman.

8) He can only do one thing at once. He can coach, but have him do the media rounds, focus on one player's "disloyalty" or do the jobs Neil Balme was then brought in to do, the team suffers. Unhindered, Bomber brings his best. Any distraction, and the team suffers from his lack of attention.

9) The players self-motivated, Bomber didn't motivate them. It was the players who decided to lift their game, and play better after Round 5, 2007. It was the playing group who suspended Steve Johnson. Bomber succeeded partly because we had a lot of good leaders, and he could take a back seat. Scott has to do more, because we have a lot of youngsters now, and most of our veterans have retired.

10) If Bomber is so good, then why have no other clubs even looked at him as coach. Two years ago, he threw his hat in the ring again, after coaching Essendon in 2014. He had no takers, not even the Bulldogs or Gold Coast, who were looking for a coach at the time.

Chris Scott has had to rebuild a team, and the draft picks have dried up, due to GWS and Gold Coast getting most of them. So we go free agency.

Besides, we have made all but one finals series under Chris Scott, and made top four last year. Be patient. You were happy to wait for Bomber to take 8 years to break our 44-year drought, yet you complain about a five-year premiership drought. You people have been spoiled, and become ungrateful.

I think that's hugely understating the enormous amount of work bomber Thompson did building and teaching that list. He did an incredible job the team Chris Scott took over was viewed as being able to win the 2011 flag. We had been in a grand final or prelim previous 4 years and the list Chris Scott took over little to no changes were made. Mitch Duncan, Menzel, Bundy and possible Trent west in. All would of been on our list already far from reinventing the wheel. Chris Scott had a sensational first season it must be said but the situations each walked into were completely different and bomber created a dynasty and the greatest side we are likely to see as Geelong supporters.

He is the best coach Geelong has have coaching wise and strategy wise by a long way in the last 35 years before that I'm not sure. You wouldn't bring him back and I'm sure he wouldn't come back but dont discredit what he did and compare it any way shape of form to what Chris Scott has done he has been a solid coach and done as well as he could you couldn't ask for much more.

Regardless of what you think of him personally he was a great football coach for geelong. Without him at the helm I would hate to think where we would be today.

People get touchy about this subject because our game plan and particularly list doesn't look on the way up and developing it looks on its last tilt before the decline. Which is fine happens to every club but we followed a plan with topping up that historically isn't very successful and can lead to bottoming out badly.
That is a perspective point of view differs from supporter to supporter I for one don't like these high risk strategies and topping up as I think it inevitably sends your further backwards some love them because they think we will always be able to compete not true.

I don't even mind missing the 8 if it means we might be developing to a level to be really competitive in the 8. Some people don't see it like that

It was worth a shot this year close but no cigar now we have to deal with those risks and it probably won't be pretty for the fans who think the well of talent is never ending and the free agency well will fix our list holes it won't in my opinion.

Instead of a more traditional list re-tool through draft picks and then using free agents to to fill the gaps.

 

[Ray Donovan]

Is anyone here still preferring Ken Hinkley as coach? LOL!

Do you just pot anyone who leaves the club Ken Hinkley is a fine individual and doing a good job at port. And was a fantastic development assistant coach at Geelong

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Do you just pot anyone who leaves the club Ken Hinkley is a fine individual and doing a good job at port. And was a fantastic development assistant coach at Geelong

Not sure I'd agree with everything here. He's not doing a great job at Port.
That said as a former assistant and player here respect should be more forthcoming, as should that to Mackie when I've seen a couple in the minority slag him off rather disgustingly of late.

 

[Ray Donovan]

Not sure. I think the thing with Bomber he knew he wasn't perfect and surrounded himself with the best and he listened to and acknowledged them.
Chris Scott won a flag and then surrounded himself with 3 ex teammates.
Then the things we heard he was great at from Freo like communicating with players etc started to fade away.
So much so that he refused to tell young players why they were dropped and the club ended up having to hire someone to do it for him.
Maybe it went to his head. Who knows.

Well mark Harvey at Fremantle not exactly coaching royalty to be an assistant too

 

[Ray Donovan]

Not sure I'd agree with everything here. He's not doing a great job at Port.
That said as a former assistant and player here respect should be more forthcoming, as should that to Mackie when I've seen a couple in the minority slag him off rather disgustingly of late.

Well they were in a prelim three years ago and missed by a kick to hawthorn. Just because you don't have the cattle doesn't mean your doing a bad job. He develops players his system needs a bit of adjustment but I still see him as a more positive than negative coach at port in my eyes he is doing a good job.

What's he doing wrong ?

Supporters slag players all the time comes with the territory it's probably not warranted happens at every club though

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Well they were in a prelim three years ago and missed by a kick to hawthorn. Just because you don't have the cattle doesn't mean your doing a bad job. He develops players his system needs a bit of adjustment but I still see him as a more positive than negative coach at port in my eyes he is doing a good job.

What's he doing wrong ?

Their game plan when they were making finals was built off fitness and running over sides, once that aura disappeared so did their main point of difference.
We've missed by a kick too and Scott has been pilloried on here as a coach, there's been times we haven't had the cattle and again pilloried.

 

[Ray Donovan]

Their game plan when they were making finals was built off fitness and running over sides, once that aura disappeared so did their main point of difference.
We've missed by a kick too and Scott has been pilloried on here as a coach, there's been times we haven't had the cattle and again pilloried.

Port - 2011 (16). 3 wins
Port - 2012 (14th) 5 wins

Port - 2013 ( 7th) 12 wins ( Hinkley)
Port - 2014 ( 5th) 14 wins ( Hinkley)

Port - 2015 (9th) 12-wins ( Hinkley)
Port - 2016 (10th) 10 - wins ( Hinkley)

I think he has done a fantastic job really a bottom 2 side 8 wins in two seasons took them too finals first season. And then to a prelim that to me warrants someone who has done a good job.
Yes last two seasons not as good as they had hoped but 2015 is a winning record 12-10 and last season 10-12 isn't horrible.

Not many coaches can transform a team and expectations in one season from bottom 2 to finals. Darren burgess is still at port so nothing has changed fitness wise its not why they were winning games yes it helped. I'm more under the impression the gameplan Hinkley brought from Geelong really struggled against the zone defence and the way sides put higher numbers around the ball and increased defensive pressure. Makes it much harder to execute a high risk high reward ball movement gamestyle and playing in a prelim opposition coaches break your game down even further so he got worked out a bit like all coaches with successful models.

But his results and player development and fitness staff seem to all be ticking the right KPI's and saying he is doing a bad job is very simplistic on last season.
Yes he needs to tweak his game plan yes he needs to make finals but he still deserves to be the man at port.

Yes and people will have opinions either way for or against people players why worry about it. I chose to defend ken plenty will disagree but I have my reasons

I think Chris Scott's and Geelong's list management has been poor recently. I think our ball movement and game plan isn't evolving in the direction required of modern footy. Our system doesn't look like being able to win 3 finals so people criticize some defend some agree some don't care. You can't change peoples opinions every supporter wants the same thing just different opinions on how it should or could be done. He still deserves to coach Geelong but he is under pressure. That's it

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

Is anyone here still preferring Ken Hinkley as coach? LOL!

Would happily have Hinkley back as an assistant when he finishes at Port. They are brutal out there and he is a good coach. Not taking anything away from Scott. Hinkley would be a great addition to our setup

 

[BlightysCats]

Yeah, but you lack credibility because you bag Chris Scott, who won a flag, yet call yourself "BlightyCats" when Malcolm Blight, who I like, by the way, never coached us to a flag.

So you bag Chris Scott for failing, yet supported a coach who failed us in three Grand Finals.

Chris Scott is our current coach and has hardly given us a finals victory in 5 years so rightly deserves to be under pressure.

Just as a point of interest Blight won more finals in his last finals series at Geelong than Scott has in the last 5 years.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Chris Scott is our current coach and has hardly given us a finals victory in 5 years so rightly deserves to be under pressure.

Just as a point of interest Blight won more finals in his last finals series at Geelong than Scott has in the last 5 years.

Won no flags here, he isn't the beacon of success you think he is.
Had Ablett, Couch, Bairstow, Riccardi and Hocking and won nothing. Won nothing with Senior...

 

[BlightysCats]

Won no flags here, he isn't the beacon of success you think he is.
Had Ablett, Couch, Bairstow, Riccardi and Hocking and won nothing. Won nothing with Senior...

Up against a super team in '89,' and basically the Western Australian state team in 92/94. Oh and Blight had no backline to work with whatsoever, and Geelong as a club back then had very few resources, very shoddy management, and a culture not just at the club but in the town itself which rewarded mediocrity - how many free drinks did the players get when they were out the night before a game in Geelong pubs and clubs etc, and who ever stood up to people like Billy Brownless, Barnsey, etc. when they'd piss on?? Geelong was run like and reflected a country footy club and wasn't professional at all - it's amazing Blight got us as far as he did.
Once he went to a professional club he won back to back flags.

The fact remains Blight has won two flags and taken the two teams he coached (not captain/coached) to 5 grand finals in just over a decade of coaching; it's an incredible record that far outstrips C. Scott.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Up against a super team in '89,' and basically the Western Australian state team in 92/94. Oh and Blight had no backline to work with whatsoever, and Geelong as a club back then had very few resources, very shoddy management, and a culture not just at the club but in the town itself which rewarded mediocrity - how many free drinks did the players get when they were out the night before a game in Geelong pubs and clubs etc, and who ever stood up to people like Billy Brownless, Barnsey, etc. when they'd piss on?? Geelong was run like and reflected a country footy club and wasn't professional at all - it's amazing Blight got us as far as he did.
Once he went to a professional club he won back to back flags.

The fact remains Blight has won two flags and taken the two teams he coached (not captain/coached) to 5 grand finals in just over a decade of coaching; it's an incredible record that far outstrips C. Scott.

All I see are excuses for Blight not getting it done. Excuses that wouldn't tolerate for Scott.

Get some objectivity and consistency then come back. Until then no one will take your biased views on Scott seriously.

 

[JumpyHolden]

Chris Scott is our current coach and has hardly given us a finals victory in 5 years so rightly deserves to be under pressure.

Just as a point of interest Blight won more finals in his last finals series at Geelong than Scott has in the last 5 years.

If a coach is measured by flags then Blight is twice the coach that Scott is and if Blight was gifted the team that Scott was gifted in 2011 Blight would have won more than just the one flag with it. Scott won't win another flag at Geelong, his only chance would be getting gifted another brilliant side at another club.

 

[dazbroncos]

That particular poster throws a lot of them. Never gets pulled up on it, though.

Yup ..100% right you are...

It must have been in a very real dream sequence that I was in when I carded and deleted his posts last night.

I know that facts don't suit your argument here but they are still the facts. You are 100% wrong.

Go Catters

 

[dazbroncos]

He's so petty, he tours with "The Heartbreakers".

Off topic I know...
but having toured with TP, I can guarantee he certainly does not.

Was a great 3 months however..

GO Catters

 

[winty]

Up against a super team in '89,' and basically the Western Australian state team in 92/94. Oh and Blight had no backline to work with whatsoever, and Geelong as a club back then had very few resources, very shoddy management, and a culture not just at the club but in the town itself which rewarded mediocrity - how many free drinks did the players get when they were out the night before a game in Geelong pubs and clubs etc, and who ever stood up to people like Billy Brownless, Barnsey, etc. when they'd piss on?? Geelong was run like and reflected a country footy club and wasn't professional at all - it's amazing Blight got us as far as he did.
Once he went to a professional club he won back to back flags.

The fact remains Blight has won two flags and taken the two teams he coached (not captain/coached) to 5 grand finals in just over a decade of coaching; it's an incredible record that far outstrips C. Scott.

Who's fault is the bolded? Remember Andy Bews talking on K-Rock one day about playing for Geelong under Blight and he mentioned one day before a game Blight was in the corner of the room talking to Gaz, Brownless and Stoneham when Bews came up to him and asked him what he wanted the defenders to do that day. Blight turned around, said something along the lines of "work it out amongst yourselves" and went back to talking to the forwards.

 

[dazbroncos]

Who's fault is the bolded? Remember Andy Bews talking on K-Rock one day about playing for Geelong under Blight and he mentioned one day before a game Blight was in the corner of the room talking to Gaz, Brownless and Stoneham when Bews came up to him and asked him what he wanted the defenders to do that day. Blight turned around, said something along the lines of "work it out amongst yourselves" and went back to talking to the forwards.

Blighty.. great coach for 1/2 the team...

GO Catters

 

[winty]

Blighty.. great coach for 1/2 the team...

GO Catters

I think his motto for defence was "It doesn't matter if our opponents kick 15 goals as long as we kick 20." Of course it was exciting to watch, but against sides like West Coast and Hawthorn who did such a good job of clamping down on our midfield, we were dead in the water.

And some people think Chris Scott's coaching is one dimensional...

 

[Spazz Cat]

Who's fault is the bolded? Remember Andy Bews talking on K-Rock one day about playing for Geelong under Blight and he mentioned one day before a game Blight was in the corner of the room talking to Gaz, Brownless and Stoneham when Bews came up to him and asked him what he wanted the defenders to do that day. Blight turned around, said something along the lines of "work it out amongst yourselves" and went back to talking to the forwards.

Hahaha. I heard once the game plan was forwards down forward, backs down back.
Great coach though. Made our club relevant again from the very first season he arrived.

 

[Spazz Cat]

I think his motto for defence was "It doesn't matter if our opponents kick 15 goals as long as we kick 20." Of course it was exciting to watch, but against sides like West Coast and Hawthorn who did such a good job of clamping down on our midfield, we were dead in the water.

And some people think Chris Scott's coaching is one dimensional...

True but we didn't really have the cattle down back during those years.
One GF we had a full backline of
Simpson, Tim Darcy as FB, Rogers.
Also overall we just didn't have the cattle.
Players 15-22 were always iffy.