Opinion Chris Scott's coaching - PART III

[Art Vandelay_]

Really? After last night you're talking about the players Port were missing? You put together the best team from each side that wasn't playing and we win by 100 points.

Using who the oppo are missing to downplay our performance does not wash given this.

 

[Zouz Kitty]

Using who the oppo are missing to downplay our performance does not wash given this.

Really was a terrific effort, as many have stated, but looking at that list + considering one third of the team had only 58 games between them, it is an absolutely awesome win!

 

[Vdubs]

1.Like how after a win certain posters including myself are called out because we were too busy to post or have nothing to say. You'd think it was bay 13 the way some carry on.

The first posts after a win in the Chris Scott thread is nearly always baiting from the pro Scott crowd.

Just because the team has a good win doesn't mean everything is rosy and Chris Scott is the best coach ever. 2. He and the MC have had a shocking start to the season.

Port Adelaide were dreadful, they had no decent ruck and missed some good inside mids, their slow ball movement was terrible. They basically had no run and carry which is the best way to beat us. 3. Was still a good win but would be a different story if they had a full team (in a team with a lot of soft outside players they really needed a lot more inside grunt).

1.We respond to your spot-fires, more to the point. You and your pyromaniacal buddies love them, and we must respond. Well maybe we don't.
2. You don't think we've had a shocking injury start to the season?
3. And that point answers your last point even more aptly. How can you talk about poor Port's absent players without acknowledging a third of our best are out. GAJ, Harry, Hendo, Cocky, Hawkins, Guthrie, Scooter- pretty handy.

 

[Mr Meow]

At least you want Blic in the team. Many of the CS detractors have had Blic on the redundancy list.

Many of those also said Blicavs should only be in the team as a second ruckman or (future) KPD - not a wingman/midfielder. Injuries have made the "future" come early, and in my opinion both Scott and the crowd you're attempting to criticise will be validated on this point because of these circumstances.

The emergence of other guys being recruited into or stepping up into the midfield at Blicavs expense is a really promising feature of the season going forward.

 

[Vdubs]

Using who the oppo are missing to downplay our performance does not wash given this.

Excellent points.
Stewart and Menegola are not that experienced either.

 

[Vdubs]

Many of those also said Blicavs should only be in the team as a second ruckman or (future) KPD - not a wingman/midfielder. Injuries have made the "future" come early, and in my opinion both Scott and the crowd you're attempting to criticise will be validated on this point because of these circumstances.

The emergence of other guys being recruited into or stepping up into the midfield at Blicavs expense is a really promising feature of the season going forward.

Whether Blic plays as a KB, tagger, Ruck.... is immaterial. I maintain he will be close to first player selected every week.

 

[Mr Meow]

Whether Blic plays as a KB, tagger, Ruck.... is immaterial. I maintain he will be close to first player selected every week.

It's not immaterial where he is selected to play on the field. Using that logic why don't we play Hawkins on the ball and Bews at full forward. Blicavs value to the side has just gone up tenfold in his new role given injuries.

 

[Vdubs]

It's not immaterial where he is selected to play on the field. Using that logic why don't we play Hawkins on the ball and Bews at full forward. Blicavs value to the side has just gone up tenfold in his new role given injuries.

Where was he "selected " to play this week? Wing. I see.

 

[goyoucatters]

Port Adelaide were dreadful...

I actually thought their endeavour was fine. It was a strong contest throughout, with both teams throwing themselves in all night.

they had no decent ruck...

And we had a relatively ordinary effort from Rhys in response. I don't see how this worked greatly in our favour.

and missed some good inside mids,

SPP was out, I admit, And Rockliff as well. Who it must be said has been incredibly underwhelming for them thus far.

And we were missing arguably one of the greatest of all time in that role. Still don't see how they're well behind on that metric, based on this year's output.

their slow ball movement was terrible. They basically had no run and carry which is the best way to beat us..

Have to agree here.

It's almost like the Cats were coached to hold them up at every opportunity and take away one of their supposedly key advantages over our line-up on the night.

Was still a good win but would be a different story if they had a full team (in a team with a lot of soft outside players they really needed a lot more inside grunt).

How different could it have been if we had all of these best 22 players (Gaz, Hendo, Harry, Toma, Guth, Nakia) available for us on the night? And, for the fifth week running, not had at least one player out of the game before half-time.

Just because the team has a good win doesn't mean everything is rosy and Chris Scott is the best coach ever.

All is not rosy. And he is not the best coach ever. And even those you most vehemently oppose here would not disagree with you about that.

He and the MC have had a shocking start to the season.

There have been mistakes, undoubtedly. And there have been several real positives...

Fogarty, Kelly, Esava and Henry have all debuted and shown plenty of promise. And Parfitt appears to have gone up a notch (or two). Hyphen came in last night and played a really effective game, blending seamlessly into the team.

The backline is holding together brilliantly, given all the injuries and the significant changes since 2017.

The forward set-up looks more threatening and less predictable than last year as well.

And the last two weeks give some encouragement that we are setting up better around the ground,thus stifling our opposition and limiting their ability to score regularly and rapidly.

We have a long way to go, of course. But 3-2 (including a 1-point loss and an interstate defeat to the team on top) and fifth on the ladder after one game at home just doesn't fit with a 'shocking start' narrative from Scott and his MC for mine.

 

[Zouz Kitty]

Excellent points.
Stewart and Menegola are not that experienced either.

Stewart has played 26 + Menegola has played 35

Others under 50 games
Horlin-Smith 48
Thurlow 40

50 - 65 games
Kolo 52
Bews 55
Menzel 65

 

[Mr Meow]

Where was he "selected " to play this week? Wing. I see.

Can only assume senility accounts for your use of the team sheet rather than the game itself to decide where Blicavs played the vast majority of Saturday's game. Looks like Parsons was CHF too.

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

We have dominated port for a while now - we are definitely one of their bogey teams. I want to see us dominate on the MCG and in some clutch finals to believe the club is improving. So far we dropped our balls to the Eagles and struggled massively against Dees and Hawks on the MCG. So for me things haven't changed much. Should put Sydney to the sword on our home ground - no excuses. Richmond at the G will be another big one.

 

[Landgraft]

Boyd played a fairly useful second half in 2016. Nankervis was very good last year. That's two for starters.

You've said before that you really rate Nankervis but I don't see why. He was an adequate ruck but no more, worse numbers than Smith and nothing more than a role player.

His value was in filling a role that they had no-one else to play, but that doesn't make him exceptional.

 

[Pack Specialist]

Back up list filling in for injured players. When hendo and taylor come back he is no longer needed in defence. I worry where we put him then. Please not as a wingman.

Taylor - FB
Blicavs - CHB
Henderson - CHF

 

[Vdubs]

Can only assume senility accounts for your use of the team sheet rather than the game itself to decide where Blicavs played the vast majority of Saturday's game. Looks like Parsons was CHF too.

Fair point.
Incorrect referral to your use of the word selection.

 

[Partridge]

You've said before that you really rate Nankervis but I don't see why. He was an adequate ruck but no more, worse numbers than Smith and nothing more than a role player.

His value was in filling a role that they had no-one else to play, but that doesn't make him exceptional.

I never said he was exceptional. I said he was very good. And I think he was very good in the finals for them.

 

[Spazz Cat]

Excellent points.
Stewart and Menegola are not that experienced either.

Yeah we had 11 players with under 50 games. Literally half the team.
Also Kolo and Bews with just a few more than 50.

 

[David the Cat]

We have some master coaches with hindsight in this thread.

 

[evolutionbaby]

We have dominated port for a while now - we are definitely one of their bogey teams. I want to see us dominate on the MCG and in some clutch finals to believe the club is improving. So far we dropped our balls to the Eagles and struggled massively against Dees and Hawks on the MCG. So for me things haven't changed much. Should put Sydney to the sword on our home ground - no excuses. Richmond at the G will be another big one.

I take the point with the G. Don't necessarily have to dominate, but just play a bit smarter there with a more solid game plan. We seem to get caught out on the counter too often there. Bit harsh re Eagles imo given virtually no interchange, injuries etc.
Too early to call on improvement at present especially with respect to the current personnel. The next couple of games will shed more light.

 

[Landgraft]

I never said he was exceptional. I said he was very good. And I think he was very good in the finals for them.

Is there any chance you'll elaborate on why you think he was good?

 

[Ricketz]

Like how after a win certain posters including myself are called out because we were too busy to post or have nothing to say. You'd think it was bay 13 the way some carry on.

The first posts after a win in the Chris Scott thread is nearly always baiting from the pro Scott crowd.

Just because the team has a good win doesn't mean everything is rosy and Chris Scott is the best coach ever. He and the MC have had a shocking start to the season.

Port Adelaide were dreadful, they had no decent ruck and missed some good inside mids, their slow ball movement was terrible. They basically had no run and carry which is the best way to beat us. Was still a good win but would be a different story if they had a full team (in a team with a lot of soft outside players they really needed a lot more inside grunt).

It's a bit fishy that you guys tend to be busy after a good win, and not so after a bad loss, isn't it? Why is that? It can't be because you are furiously backpedaling, you seem to find a fair bit of time making excuses for the opposition's performance...

 

[Cattery]

Whether Blic plays as a KB, tagger, Ruck.... is immaterial. I maintain he will be close to first player selected every week.

Sheesh Dubs, would you stop beating that drum, I know you love the guy but lets get realistic.

And were my eyes playing tricks a few posts back, I swear you actually mentioned him in the same breath as Anthony Koutoufides ....... naw I must have read it wrong surely.

 

[cynical]

It's a bit fishy that you guys tend to be busy after a good win, and not so after a bad loss, isn't it? Why is that? It can't be because you are furiously backpedaling, you seem to find a fair bit of time making excuses for the opposition's performance...

It's only fishy if you are looking for someone to argue with. I dont think about specific posters after a win or loss.

There are 2 sides to a coin.

Why would I be furiously back peddling?

 

[Pollywaffle]

Taylor - FB
Blicavs - CHB
Henderson - CHF

Henderson has had a chequered career at CHF. One of our best defenders

 

[And_ROOS]

Blicavs HAS to stay in defense for two reasons.
1/ his best games this year have been in defense.
2/ Harry has what, a year or 2 max in his body, maybe less if this foot is an ongoing issue?

Simply put, he shut down his opponent on Saturday night and casually notched 16kms of running. How many others can do that? Reliable mark and tackler as well.
The concern is the MC and Scotty have made some bewildering decisions. So the concern is that they put him back into midfield.

But based on the current team, you would bring Harry or Hendo in for Henry and thats about it. Bews, Tuohy, Blitz, Stewart are absolute locks in defense. Bring in Taylor or Hendo and the last spot is horses for courses (Thurlow, or another Small defender, or maybe Henry).