Traded Chris Yarran [to Richmond for Pick 19]

[Moshie The Mook]

No! you are bending over backwards holding onto pick 12 for yourselves. Fair enough too, but do not be kidding yourself anything beyond a first round pick is going to be enough. Both clubs are just trying to get the best value for themselves. Which is their job as recruiters and list managers. Both parties have made it quite clear where they stand. Carlton are after a first round pick. Richmond are after Yarran but would rather not use pick 12. You do not need to be a rocket scientist to work out the middle ground is where it well get done.
Pick 17 looks the best bet of what will happen. If all you come back with a second round pick, be assured it will not be accepted as enough. If you offer up pick 21 and we say no deal, do not cry about it. I don't think Dan Richardson is that dumb so he will find the first rounder he needs to get it over the line.

Won't be crying over keeping a first round draft pick, let me assure you. The hold up is we are waiting to trade with Brisbane to get you your coveted first round pick.

Nothing in the rules says you have to complete trades in the first week. I don't see SOS jumping up and down in the media making demands, so both parties are probably fully aware of where they're at.

We are committed to Yarran, so I can't see the trade falling over. Even if the Astbury pick ends up being 21, I reckon you blokes will take it just quietly. Has SOS come out and categorically said first round or GTFO? Pick 17, Pick 21...meh same same.

 

[ARES]

Yarran won't be at Carlton next year that's for sure. The deal with Richmond will get done.
Anything in that 15-20 range will be pretty right for Yaz, so 21 is just about on the money.

Most non-biased, intelligent straight forward realistic post I have seen from a Carlton fan on here.
Every other fan I know say Yarran is soft, inconsistent and sulks too often, but when he knuckles down is good.
A pick 18-23 it's right for him
We are going RFC can get the best they can but in the end 12 stays because he is not worth any where near that, regardless of the draft or Carlton rebuilding

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

What are you on about?

They lost Judd, Henderson, Carrazzo and Ellard. That should free up $1,000,000 plus in their salary cap. Do the maths, lol.

Thank you. Just saved me another lump from smacking my head against the wall.

Geez Louise ...

Played half the year in the VFL, no salary cap space, brains raaarrrggghhh

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Most non-biased, intelligent straight forward realistic post I have seen from a Carlton fan on here.
Every other fan I know say Yarran is soft, inconsistent and sulks too often, but when he knuckles down is good.
A pick 18-23 it's right for him
We are going RFC can get the best they can but in the end 12 stays because he is not worth any where near that, regardless of the draft or Carlton rebuilding

He says 15-20, Richardson says around 16 up to early 20s, you creep it out to 18-23 while being in agreeance. Pretty soon we'll be back up into that 25 bracket again.

 

[nineteen eighty]

We will not take it. We think hes worth pick 12, your club is complaining no hes not worth pick 12, we think hes worth a pick in the 20s, to which our club has said, we want a first rounder or no deal.

So now your club is trying to find a pick in the 15-18 range....

You probably won't find it and eventually hand over pick 12 for Yarran.

We will not budge for anything less then a first rounder, and your club has been in Yarrans ear most of the year. We know your desperate to buy, we are not desperate to sell.

You seem to be mighty sure of the club's position. Interesting that Carlton allow club officials to come on here and state their position.

I heard a repeat of Richarson's interview from yesterday on SEN. He is softening up Tiger supporters in that 12 may be used to get Yarran over to the Tiges. He says that it's the clubs priority to get Yarran to the club. Repeated that twice when he was specifically asked about pick 12.

Now the club is trying to engineer a trade to get a pick in the high teen's. You seem to be in a rush to get the deal done. Trade period doesn't end until next Thursday and if takes to the minute of that day to get the trade done and do the best thing by the RFC, then I and all other supporters support them. You having a melt down in the process is a bonus

And bullshit you're not desperate to sell. Yarran was toxic around the club this year and no club (not even yours) wants that around other players. You can say what you want but the Blues are sellers just as much as the Tiges are buyers.

 

[Stevi_Tigers]

deal has been done we offered our second they said he's worth more we agreed they asked for 12 which both agreed was to high. Richmond would of asked sos what about 15-to mid 20's which he would of said fair trade and would have an agreement as soon as rich get 17 or 21 deal will be done clubs don't try and screw each other like fans want them too. both clubs feel like they win we hold on to 12. carlton get better then 31 fair deal and move on.

 

[nineteen eighty]

Cotchin not enough for you?

As your pic shows...right back at ya!

 

[My name geoff]

You can't rate him without including the attitude. He has been around long enough that he is judged on more than just potential which you are doing. Murph, Gibbs, kruz, Cripps, docherty off the top of my head. 15-20 is the top end of his value and expectation.
He has created his worth not the Tigers.

A fair price will be met.

How do carlton fans rate Docherty with Yarran? Not as good, as good or better?

They both have different attributes, Docherty is a talent and has great leadership, but Yarran is next level.

I would take Yarran over Docherty, with Yarran his poor attitude is often a symptom of what is going on around him. If you put him in a competitive, well coached side, like we were between 09-13 it's a non issue

I cringe when I think of what the Tigers will do to us in round 1 with Yarran. I wouldn't lose sleep if you rocked up with a player equivalent to Docherty

 

[Silvagnis]

If Carlton want pick 12 they're kidding themselves, Yarran is mr inconsistency.

Spin to say he's inconsistent and soft. Hasn't squibbed it and had an inconsistent season bar this year where he wanted out like Hendo. In 2014, Yarran kicked 21 goals nine and added another 104 touches to his 2013 efforts.
His form was on the up. Laugh that you're hot for an "inconsistent" player who is just 24 and would walk into the spot Newman occupied. You know that you're not going to find a damaging utility close to their peak in the draft. He doesn't have real issues like Bennell who was worth a pick upgrade plus a second round pick.

Quibbling over pick 12 like it's a mile better than 17 is wasting everyone's time. If the cards fall the right way, Richmond or Carlton could get the same player. Tigers need to pull their finger out like the Hawks, Cats and Carlton who trade after identifying their target. We didn't pussy foot around and burn Jaksch after he chose Carlton over St Kilda. If Yarran stays and he still wants out, Tigers could easily get crossed off his list for the Hawks, North, the Dogs, Cats or one of the WA sides who don't play hard to get.

 

[DrMike]

Tell us about that 'Heads of Agreement' you were so assured of?

Nothing has happened that isn't in line with the heads of agreement.
If you were getting pick 12 or Lennon for Yarran it would have happened by now.
You'll get our best second round pick. If we somehow turn Astbury+31 into 17 then you can have that but I'd like your 3rd or 4th back.
I'm expecting that to be 21 though.

If not then it's 31+steak knives (either a player or our 2016 2nd round pick)

So you can stick your high horse tyvm.

 

[El Topo]

You're stating the bleeding obvious there. The trade scenario has been mulled over repeatedly here. We are bending over backwards to get you a first round pick.

Mate if we filtered for posts stating the obvious these threads wouldn't get past 10 pages.
I reserve my right to be drunk, bored and venting at Richmond poaching a contracted player then lowballing the club when the time comes to do the deal. For all our sakes lets hope Brisbane cough up 17 because by this stage we're just banging our heads against the wall.

 

[Moshie The Mook]

Mate if we filtered for posts stating the obvious these threads wouldn't get past 10 pages.
I reserve my right to be drunk, bored and venting at Richmond poaching a contracted player then lowballing the club when the time comes to do the deal. For all our sakes lets hope Brisbane cough up 17 because by this stage we're just banging our heads against the wall.

Drunk posting is allowed, nay encouraged!

 

[telsor]

Nothing has happened that isn't in line with the heads of agreement.
If you were getting pick 12 or Lennon for Yarran it would have happened by now.
You'll get our best second round pick. If we somehow turn Astbury+31 into 17 then you can have that but I'd like your 3rd or 4th back.
I'm expecting that to be 21 though.

If not then it's 31+steak knives (either a player or our 2016 2nd round pick)

So you can stick your high horse tyvm.

Pretty much the way I figure it....Both clubs would have talked about both 17 and 21 and I'm sure either would form the basis of a deal (with contingency plans to add some steak knives to balance them) and with that in mind they've gone away to work on other deals (including Richmond trying to secure those picks).

I still think Carlton should be looking at Astbury themselves, they're not exactly overflowing with quality talls after all. (If he'd go is another matter...Seems happy at Richmond, but willing to move to Brisbane due to his relationship with Leppa).

 

[ARES]

He says 15-20, Richardson says around 16 up to early 20s, you creep it out to 18-23 while being in agreeance. Pretty soon we'll be back up into that 25 bracket again.

What are you nit picking?

We overlap 18-21

Realistically in the 20's but for both to be content 18-21 seems it.

Must of you wanted pick 18 from Hawks, most of us pick 21

Take it and run b4 I change my mind

 

[bmaurizio]

What are you nit picking?

We overlap 18-21

Realistically in the 20's but for both to be content 18-21 seems it.

Must of you wanted pick 18 from Hawks, most of us pick 21

Take it and run b4 I change my mind

Wow lucky thing Yarran's contracted, CFC are very miserly too so pick 12 or nulla.
Just to update you , We're expecting an early second rounder for Bell and RFC is desperately trying to coerce us to same for Yarran.

 

[Rich01]

Wow lucky thing Yarran's contracted, CFC are very miserly too so pick 12 or nulla.
Just to update you , We're expecting an early second rounder for Bell and RFC is desperately trying to coerce us to same for Yarran.

If it's pick 12 or nothing, it will be nothing. But don't worry a deal will get done, 17 or 21 will be yours for Yarran, a good return. And as for bell, the word is you will get a second from the pies for him as part of the Aish exchange (pies have 26 I think).

 

[windows]

A fair price will be met.

How do carlton fans rate Docherty with Yarran? Not as good, as good or better?

Depends which Yarran you're talking about. At his best he is All Australian quality. Docherty never will be. You guys got stuck into him this year and he became distracted. Now you're saying his form dropped and he's not worth it. He's not the mentally strong character Dangerfield is. He did have the stable background Danger did either. He needs support and obviously didn't get that from Mick. I believe the imminent change made him drop his bundle even further.

If he settles down I'd rate him our second or third best player. He will be your 3rd to 6th best player if his head is right. Comfortably. Should have been entering his prime this year. Will next. He will cut sides open for you.

I'd be telling you to go **** yourself for anything less than 12 if it was me. SOS is more giving. He will take 17. He won't take anything less.

 

[Johnno22]

If it's pick 12 or nothing, it will be nothing. But don't worry a deal will get done, 17 or 21 will be yours for Yarran, a good return. And as for bell, the word is you will get a second from the pies for him as part of the Aish exchange (pies have 26 I think).

Try Shane Yarran. He will come cheaper.

 

[SABlue]

They both have different attributes, Docherty is a talent and has great leadership, but Yarran is next level.

I would take Yarran over Docherty, with Yarran his poor attitude is often a symptom of what is going on around him. If you put him in a competitive, well coached side, like we were between 09-13 it's a non issue

I cringe when I think of what the Tigers will do to us in round 1 with Yarran. I wouldn't lose sleep if you rocked up with a player equivalent to Docherty

So many excuses. I hate that he represented the club the way he did this year. And that should count for a lot.
Threw in the towel when it got too hard and that should never be forgotten.
If Carlton doesn't stand for anything else but simple things like respect the jumper and pride in your performance well Yarran fails on both accounts.
To hear some supporters say we should keep him just amazes me.
But then again you want to trade our 1st pick so why am I surprised that you say what you say.

 

[Rich01]

Try Shane Yarran. He will come cheaper.

Interesting you say that. Think we are looking at him as a potential rookie pick.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

As good as Yarran is it shows his true character the way he has left.

Whilst the Tiges will improve with him they'll never win a flag with players like Yarran in their side.

Peaheart, which is a shame because he is a gun when he chooses to be.

 

[SABlue]

Depends which Yarran you're talking about. At his best he is All Australian quality. Docherty never will be. You guys got stuck into him this year and he became distracted. Now you're saying his form dropped and he's not worth it. He's not the mentally strong character Dangerfield is. He did have the stable background Danger did either. He needs support and obviously didn't get that from Mick. I believe the imminent change made him drop his bundle even further.

If he settles down I'd rate him our second or third best player. He will be your 3rd to 6th best player if his head is right. Comfortably. Should have been entering his prime this year. Will next. He will cut sides open for you.

I'd be telling you to go **** yourself for anything less than 12 if it was me. SOS is more giving. He will take 17. He won't take anything less.

Has he ever been our 3rd -6th best player? Garbage front runner.

 

[Rich01]

So many excuses. I hate that he represented the club the way he did this year. And that should count for a lot.
Threw in the towel when it got too hard and that should never be forgotten.
If Carlton doesn't stand for anything else but simple things like respect the jumper and pride in your performance well Yarran fails on both accounts.

Has he ever been our 3rd -6th best player? Garbage front runner.

Whilst the Tiges will improve with him they'll never win a flag with players like Yarran in their side.

Peaheart, which is a shame because he is a gun when he chooses to be.

Exactly why I hope Richmond don't pick him up. Seems 17 or 21 will do the deal but I'm really indifferent on this trade. Can't understand how Carlton could demand 12 after reading the above.

 

[UpTheGuts]

So many excuses. I hate that he represented the club the way he did this year. And that should count for a lot.
Threw in the towel when it got too hard and that should never be forgotten.
If Carlton doesn't stand for anything else but simple things like respect the jumper and pride in your performance well Yarran fails on both accounts.
To hear some supporters say we should keep him just amazes me.
But then again you want to trade our 1st pick so why am I surprised that you say what you say.

Great post. Toxic to keep him.
In a finals side he will have the freedom to shine. Nothing like getting belted every week to sap the confidence

I saw the same thing with Ottens

 

[Moshie The Mook]

Exactly why I hope Richmond don't pick him up. Seems 17 or 21 will do the deal but I'm really indifferent on this trade. Can't understand how Carlton could demand 12 after reading the above.

They really don't seem to rate him at all. And they've watched him closer than any of us, have the carlton supporters.

I am starting to rethink my stance on his 15-20 pick value. Hoping Dan reassesses during the weekend. Pick 21 is starting to look like overs tbh.

Being the nice guys we are, we'll probably just hand 21 over without even haggling.