Traded Chris Yarran [to Richmond for Pick 19]

[El Topo]

Yarran's price is a first rounder. Richmond have been in his ear for at least half of 2015. Richmond have a first rounder, but for some reason they thought they'd make it past week one of the finals, and now that their pick is slightly higher than expected they're trying to have their cake and eat it too.

Three options, since they don't back themselves to have a high teens 2016 pick

1. find another first rounder
2. pay the one they already have
3. walk away

Pick 21 is none of these. Pick 21 is an insult.

 

[Andyy]

If we can get pick 21 for Astbury and trade it for Yarran I would consider it a steal.

But no way is Yarran worth pick 12. He's a one-trick pony, only good for the occasional run down the wing + goal.

Would be happy if RFC walks away if a deal can't be done.

 

[Moshie The Mook]

Yarran's price is a first rounder. Richmond have been in his ear for at least half of 2015. Richmond have a first rounder, but for some reason they thought they'd make it past week one of the finals, and now that their pick is slightly higher than expected they're trying to have their cake and eat it too.

Three options, since they don't back themselves to have a high teens 2016 pick

1. find another first rounder
2. pay the one they already have
3. walk away

Pick 21 is none of these. Pick 21 is an insult.

You're stating the bleeding obvious there. The trade scenario has been mulled over repeatedly here. We are bending over backwards to get you a first round pick.

Ideal is you get pick 17. Worst case is 21, at which time Sos and Richardson may have to reset and thrash it out again. Or you take our offer, cut your losses, and still walk away with a decent pick.

Considering the way you lot have carried on, I'd prefer we walk away to be quite frank. The Carlisle and Treloar trades have also stalled so we're not alone here.

Trade period ends in a week, so have a bex, a cup of tea, and a lie down. Have a sturdy chair handy to lean on for when we bend you over, take a deep breath, relax, and enjoy the trade ride. You'll hurt yourself if you keep stressing like this.

 

[Richo83]

If Carlton want pick 12 they're kidding themselves, Yarran is mr inconsistency.

 

[Kram]

Pick 21 is none of these. Pick 21 is an insult.

Well his level of effort for a footballer is insulting, so it fits.

 

[footyfan1978]

You're probably better off without a first round pick if you plan on getting another Boekhorst

Keep up son. The idiots of yesteryear are no longer able to draft for us. You do realise Rogers the dud recruiter and his previous guy Hughes gone, Malthouse is gone, Laidley is gone, Wiley is gone, Green is gone and most of the people directly involved with decision making on list and player development that were there last year when lots of dumb decisions were made ?

 

[footyfan1978]

You're stating the bleeding obvious there. The trade scenario has been mulled over repeatedly here. We are bending over backwards to get you a first round pick.

No! you are bending over backwards holding onto pick 12 for yourselves. Fair enough too, but do not be kidding yourself anything beyond a first round pick is going to be enough. Both clubs are just trying to get the best value for themselves. Which is their job as recruiters and list managers. Both parties have made it quite clear where they stand. Carlton are after a first round pick. Richmond are after Yarran but would rather not use pick 12. You do not need to be a rocket scientist to work out the middle ground is where it well get done.
Pick 17 looks the best bet of what will happen. If all you come back with a second round pick, be assured it will not be accepted as enough. If you offer up pick 21 and we say no deal, do not cry about it. I don't think Dan Richardson is that dumb so he will find the first rounder he needs to get it over the line.

 

[davis_756]

Again, what the draft is is not any ones concern that Carlton is rebuilding. You base a players worth based on what he has done over his career

And you base the value of a draft pick based on the quality of a crop coming through, there isnt any which is why everyone is happy to throw around first round draft picks for fringe players let alone proven ones.

 

[davis_756]

He won't lose out. There will be a club that will pay $ to get him...probably Melbourne the way they have been going in the draft...

Why would you pay big money for someone who has been sooking and not putting in for a good 18 months? You wouldn't

Even melbourne isn't going to give him 400k to sook it up in the vfl, he coasts and he is likely to get 2 years at 200k if he is lucky and then he never gets that big contract because he is too old.

 

[Laurence]

Well his level of effort for a footballer is insulting, so it fits.

True, but in our current position we need the absolute best for CFC not RFC.

 

[Heisenberg_]

True, but in our current position we need the absolute best for CFC not RFC.

You have to understand as well, given your current position you absolutely can't afford to keep a guy around who has already quit the club and has no desire to be there.
If Brisbane give us 21 instead of 17 you'd end up taking it.

 

[THE THIN MAN]

Bottom line is 100% salary cap for last place.

Having Dennis Armfield, David Ellard, Jason Tutt on your playing list and playing 700K for Dale Thomas is a bigger problem.

You can not afford to keep Yarran on your list as you need the salary cap space.

 

[theteamtobeat]

You have to understand as well, given your current position you absolutely can't afford to keep a guy around who has already quit the club and has no desire to be there.
If Brisbane give us 21 instead of 17 you'd end up taking it.

Bolton rates him, but would be open to trade him if the club could get the right deal. End of the day he's contacted to Carlton, Richmond are chasing after a contracted player and it's up to the Tigers to meet Carlton's demands. Carlton don't have anything to lose.

 

[theteamtobeat]

Bottom line is 100% salary cap for last place.

Having Dennis Armfield, David Ellard, Jason Tutt on your playing list and playing 700K for Dale Thomas is a bigger problem.

You can not afford to keep Yarran on your list as you need the salary cap space.

What are you on about?

They lost Judd, Henderson, Carrazzo and Ellard. That should free up $1,000,000 plus in their salary cap. Do the maths, lol.

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

No, Geelong sorted out Hendo quite quickly. Amazing isn't it

You do know it take TWO teams to sort it out quickly.......both sides

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

They didnt pay over or unders, they paid what they needed to to get the deal done.

They paid overs BECAUSE they needed to get the deal done.....we don't.

We will get it done, you will get 17 or 21 or whatever.

Then a majority of both lots of supporters will claim they "won" the trade. Blues supporters will say "we got a first rounder, you said you wouldn't pay it". Tigers supporters will say "we didn't use pick 12, told ya"

In essence, most fair minded people have said from near the start he is a 15-25 pick, and that is what will happen.

I still don't really want him, but its being done. And in essence, I think most will describe it as a win-win trade. Well done Blues on holding firm on a first, well done Tiges on holding on to 12.

 

[KnobHead]

Bottom line is 100% salary cap for last place.

Having Dennis Armfield, David Ellard, Jason Tutt on your playing list and playing 700K for Dale Thomas is a bigger problem.

You can not afford to keep Yarran on your list as you need the salary cap space.

apart from some retirements, yaz is already on the list & factored as part of salary cap for next year (called a CONTRACT and for yaz it don't end until 2016).

not sure why he ain't interested in Hawks, but. perhaps yaz reckons he's a captaincy chance at the Tigs if he gets over ten possessions in a final.

hed become captain automatically then, wouldn't he?

 

[footyfan1978]

What are you on about?

They lost Judd, Henderson, Carrazzo and Ellard. That should free up $1,000,000 plus in their salary cap. Do the maths, lol.

You're expecting this type of supporter to have a working brain ?
You're expecting too much from him mate, me thinks.

 

[KnobHead]

You do know it take TWO teams to sort it out quickly.......both sides

and we did with geelong.

what's it with the Tiges?

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

And on averages he wouldn't get a game

ridiculous, utterly ridiculous. Would walk into your side. Terrible statement. I know we overstate things in an arguement, but sheesh.

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

and we did with geelong.

what's it with the Tiges?

Geelong paid overs, you guys couldnt get it done fast enough, and well done for that!! Big overs for Hendo. Thats why it was done so quickly.

There are heaps of other trades not completed this period not involving Richmond, what is it with those clubs??

 

[SABlue]

Name 5 Carlton players worth more than Yarran

You can't rate him without including the attitude. He has been around long enough that he is judged on more than just potential which you are doing. Murph, Gibbs, kruz, Cripps, docherty off the top of my head. 15-20 is the top end of his value and expectation.
He has created his worth not the Tigers.

 

[Heisenberg_]

and we did with geelong.

what's it with the Tiges?

Of course you accepted ASAP when they offered far more then he was worth...

 

[tigerwill]

A fair price will be met.

How do carlton fans rate Docherty with Yarran? Not as good, as good or better?

 

[HBF]

So you'd rather have Yarran on the list for a year and not play a game, instead of a kid you could draft with a pick in the 20's and put 12months development into?

Yarran won't be at Carlton next year that's for sure. The deal with Richmond will get done.
Anything in that 15-20 range will be pretty right for Yaz, so 21 is just about on the money.